h3h3 - We're at an Important Crossroad in our Lives
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These guys are going downhill.. slowly though.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52146625]H3H3, Filthyfrank, and other youtubers who are very internet popular and savvy still don't make up a huge chunk of youtube's user base. I encourage them to move to a new platform, but they aren't going to make much of a dent in youtube's revenue. In regards to myspace and vine, they really only appealed to a target age demographic and that stuff usually fails eventually. IMO Vine's whole gimmick was unsustainable and kind of stupid to begin with. Youtubes got a grip on all age bases and it's one of those things like Google where it's ingrained into society at this point. Google also owns youtube, so that's a pretty big backer for any competitor to try and step up against.[/QUOTE]
I still definitely think it's entirely possible for a competitor to arise and become the place for the circle of stuff that at least I care about. And the stuff I care about is stuff [I]millions[/I] of people care about. Youtube could go back to basic bitch charlie bit my finger style videos after and I'd be fine with that.
Interesting point I just thought about, but isn't it possible that even [I]youtube[/I] is preparing for such an event? They're trying to get in on the tv network space right now with the whole youtube tv thing. Maybe part of that is that they're trying to be ready for the day that youtube isn't the video titan it used to be because most if not all the big name creators bailed and took a sizable chunk of viewership with them.
[QUOTE=meppers;52146605]eCeleb101: don't put your income in one basket. they only make money from youtube and selling shirts with memes on them. The twitch account is too late and they turned off their patreon account for NO REASON.
they should have started making long-format goofs on twitch and selling blooper reels for 5$ a month on patreon a LONG time ago.[/QUOTE]
they turned off their patreon because at the time they were making enough money from youtube itself.
Right now the closest thing to competitors to Youtube are vid.me and Vimeo but most of the revenue on both rely on donations (vid.me does have some experimental ad sharing but most of the money creators get are through tips). I guess you can also kinda count pornhub but that's a different story. I wouldn't be surprised if one day Youtube goofs up real bad and loses all it's top creators to a different site.
I think the ideal website would be one with a model similar to vimeo but with ad sharing, a free account is only allowed limited ad revenue, upload space per month and video options but a monthly or yearly subscription (that can be supplemented by gained revenue) can grant features like higher revenue sharing, more video options (60fps, 360/3D vids, higher resolution), higher priority processing ect. That way the site gains income and introduces a barrier to content creation, which would limit new creators but at the same time help filter spam channels dedicated to automaking finger puppet videos.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52146387]hooray for shameless clickbait
i feel like if you're doing youtube for the money primarily, rather than entertaining people, you've lost sight of what you originally set out to do and have probably lost your creative spark.[/QUOTE]
This is probably the dumbest and most ignorant thing I've read today.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52146793]they turned off their patreon because at the time they were making enough money from youtube itself.[/QUOTE]
gotta make those dunnies again.
[QUOTE=V12US;52146809]This is probably the dumbest and most ignorant thing I've read today.[/QUOTE]
It's just my opinion, it's hardly ignorant.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52146906]It's just my opinion, it's hardly ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know opinions were exempt from being ignorant.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52146419]this video just makes it look like they couldn't give a shit about youtube anymore and are only in it if they can make some money off it
h3h3's quality went noticeably downhill when they started churning out more content in order to get more revenue. it's a shame really.[/QUOTE]
what are you on about? are you seriously this black and white about jobs and passion not being able to coexist? of course people want to do what they love, but you fucking have to feed yourself too. The main reason they can put all the effort and time on their videos is because IT IS their main source of income too. I dont expect them to work their asses off for free.
I hate this high horse all people put themselves up about youtubers taking more opportunities and decisions that make their lives a bit easier. Cut them some slack, Jesus.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52146387]hooray for shameless clickbait
i feel like if you're doing youtube for the money primarily, rather than entertaining people, you've lost sight of what you originally set out to do and have probably lost your creative spark.[/QUOTE]
I mean it would be nice if people could pursue their dreams without worrying about money but that's not the real world. You need money to live and if they aren't making enough then I don't see what's wrong with using what they have passion for to try and make money as well.
[QUOTE=kariko;52147074]I mean it would be nice if people could pursue their dreams without worrying about money but that's not the real world. You need money to live and if they aren't making enough then I don't see what's wrong with using what they have passion for to try and make money as well.[/QUOTE]
it would be like shaming anything that associates itself with a brand, or an artist trying to get paid or have his work more known.
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;52147049]what are you on about? are you seriously this black and white about jobs and passion not being able to coexist? of course people want to do what they love, but you fucking have to feed yourself too. The main reason they can put all the effort and time on their videos is because IT IS their main source of income too. I dont expect them to work their asses off for free.
I hate this high horse all people put themselves up about youtubers taking more opportunities and decisions that make their lives a bit easier. Cut them some slack, Jesus.[/QUOTE]
Great.
That's not what he's arguing.
He's making the argument than their quality started to go downhill when they started to focus on making money.
He isn't arguing that quality and livelihood can't coexist. In fact, I suspect he'd agree with you that they can and should.
He's arguing that quality and livelihood [b]don't[/b] coexist with H3h3. Not that it can't, but that it doesn't.
I don't have a horse in this race, since I only watch the occasional H3h3 video as it's relevant to other topics I have interest in. I just dislike when people argue with strawmen, so I want to clarify what exactly is being discussed here.
The man is getting sued so of course he is going to pump out videos
Like it or not it [I]is[/I] his job, you can't fault the guy.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52147116]Great.
That's not what he's arguing.
He's making the argument than their quality started to go downhill when they started to focus on making money.
He isn't arguing that quality and livelihood can't coexist. In fact, I suspect he'd agree with you that they can and should.
He's arguing that quality and livelihood [b]don't[/b] coexist with H3h3. Not that it can't, but that it doesn't.
I don't have a horse in this race, since I only watch the occasional H3h3 video as it's relevant to other topics I have interest in. I just dislike when people argue with strawmen, so I want to clarify what exactly is being discussed here.[/QUOTE]
While i agree with you, "saying" is not making an argument. The thing being said here is that h3h3 are money grabbers for complaining about YouTube's new system that drastically reduces their income, while making a point that they shouldnt worry about money.
And if im wrong, why bring the point of them having a quality downgrade in a video thats about another topic? they would have the same exact problem even if by your standards their videos were still good.
I've never been much of an H3H3 fan but imo it seems like most of their content now is complaining about money.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;52147179]I've never been much of an H3H3 fan but imo it seems like most of their content now is complaining about money.[/QUOTE]
they were sued and still are after a year and their videos get constantly demonitized for addressing controversial topics.
They arent, by far, the only ones doing this. Philip DeFranco, Pewdiepie and The amazing atheist are on it too.
The content they do that people love has its costs, and they are being honest and open about it all the time. They didnt ask for money in this video, they said the content is going to be reduced on their main channel, so people know why they are changing their doings.
I mean if your whole context changes and you have to constantly make changes and new strategies to keep doing the same content, changing lots of stuff, you want to keep your audience up to it right? calling it "complaining about money" just reduces the whole deal to something miserable.
I didn't know Vimeo had a community outside of people putting their demo reels there.
[I]sorry for the sidetrack, was referring to the discussion of a new youtube killer[/I]
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;52147049]what are you on about? are you seriously this black and white about jobs and passion not being able to coexist? of course people want to do what they love, but you fucking have to feed yourself too. The main reason they can put all the effort and time on their videos is because IT IS their main source of income too. I dont expect them to work their asses off for free.
I hate this high horse all people put themselves up about youtubers taking more opportunities and decisions that make their lives a bit easier. Cut them some slack, Jesus.[/QUOTE]
My original post on the subject said "i feel like if you're doing youtube for the money [B]primarily[/B], rather than entertaining people, you've lost sight of what you originally set out to do and have probably lost your creative spark."
I have no problem with h3h3 [or any creator] being paid and I never said I did, because why would I? They work for their money. When they're good, they make some of the best content on YouTube; but when possible revenue becomes the [B]focus[/B] of their content (as, in my opinion, was the case with the Steve-O/DaddyOFive video, they obviously rushed that out to cash in on the controversy/the fact they had Steve-O), then to me they're just creatively bankrupt, which was my original point here.
uhh i still enjoy almost all the content ethan and hila put out and i don't understand the controversy surrounding their content lately. its cool theyre honest and this upfront about the financial side of their channel. ive never seen any other youtuber discuss things like this and i also feel like people are ignoring the bigger issue here and how it will affect everything on youtube.
I'm surprised nobody made the point in the "youtube killer" discussion this time that youtube is really unprofitable, so a competitor trying to rise from below and ACTUALLY make money somehow would have an extraordinarily difficult time.
As for this video, I think it represents a really narrow scope of youtube's userbase. The changes to monetization and ad revenue only affect the 1% (if that) of creators who are tremendous enough to make their living solely from youtube, or people who are trying to reach that point.
It says nothing for the thousands and thousands of people who use their channels just to dump an occasional video for their friends to see, or make little how-to videos, vlogs, reviews, etc., whose utilization of ads is either minimal or nonexistent. They've made so many videos about how such-and-such dumb decision is the beginning of the end of youtube, and how can people possibly go on using such a reprehensible service? When really, I think a lot of these issues amount only to a drop in the bucket.
Remember when Youtube Heroes was going to be the death of youtube? Then, after all the outrage, Youtube Heroes continued to exist unimpeded? And still exists? And youtube does not seem to have suffered one bit for all the trouble.
[QUOTE=Episode;52146628]These guys are going downhill.. slowly though.[/QUOTE]
you can thank the Bold Guy for that
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52146419]this video just makes it look like they couldn't give a shit about youtube anymore and are only in it if they can make some money off it[/QUOTE]
How dare they want to make money from their job. What fucking scoundrels.
You sound like the sort of guy that cries about artists not taking free requests/putting content behind a paywall. Fact is this is not a utopian society where people can express themselves with art for free. I'm sure 99% of entertainers and artists -would- put their content out for free if they didn't need to worry about rent, food, etc. since then they'd reach the largest audience and make the biggest impact.
YT fucking over its content creators is nothing new. They fucked over animators years ago and now they're fucking over basically anyone that doesn't make 100% PG family friendly kittens and puppies videos. Just think about how much more quality animation we'd have if YT decided to pay them well. Instead they've fucked off to other ventures that will actually pay enough to eat regularly (ie. Game Grumps) or tried (and mostly failed) to try to get in to more established media (Hellbenders)
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52146387]hooray for shameless clickbait
i feel like if you're doing youtube for the money primarily, rather than entertaining people, you've lost sight of what you originally set out to do and have probably lost your creative spark.[/QUOTE]
Clickbait? I think you're being a bit picky. Just because they want to be fed doesn't mean they're in it for the "wrong reasons". Everything he's saying seems like valid criticisms of YouTube's continuing failure to run a platform that is friendly for content creators. If their videos don't make them any money, they literally cannot continue to make the videos without finding some other form of employment, and at that point the quality/frequency will most definitely drop. I don't see what everyone is up in arms about.
[QUOTE=srobins;52147800]Clickbait? I think you're being a bit picky. Just because they want to be fed doesn't mean they're in it for the "wrong reasons". Everything he's saying seems like valid criticisms of YouTube's continuing failure to run a platform that is friendly for content creators. If their videos don't make them any money, they literally cannot continue to make the videos without finding some other form of employment, and at that point the quality/frequency will most definitely drop. I don't see what everyone is up in arms about.[/QUOTE]
I think people are complaining about the thumbnail which I can understand.
While it sucks that they're still going to end up losing money because of the lawsuit with Matt Hoss, they really shot themselves in the foot focusing on making Youtube their main and only source of income.
I don't really understand why they wouldn't just start their Patreon back up again. They seem to be trying to sacrifice their artistic integrity for money when they could have both.
Youtube can't really have a competitor because the site itself operates at a loss and it requires so much storage. Unless Amazon gets into the same business as youtube, there's virtually no chance that a youtube alternative can get as big and as well known as youtube
the phonecase ad at the end felt a little desperate. Hope they pull themselves out of their slump
If ad revenue is such a flakey income, why not use somthing like Patreon? Seems to work quite a bit in a lot of cases for larger youtubers.
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