[QUOTE=Akayz;22770116]Ignorant to what?? Music that has yet to be discovered? Bravo mate... That makes perfect sense, [B]they must be landmark albums if its so great not to be heard. [/B]
I keep hearing all these arguments with very little suggestion...
Does that say much?[/QUOTE]
Thought you didn't like the mainstream :smug:
And what I'm saying is you completely write off the mainstream for no reason, then say the 00's were shit for music and say that music in the past was better (maybe not say but heavily implied)
Everything you say screams elitism to me and frankly that's fucking retarded.
Open your eyes you'll see a fair few landmark albums.
Mind you I've just woke up and theres no milk for me to make tea so I'm aw raging er nothing.
[QUOTE=Akayz;22770116]That makes perfect sense, they must be landmark albums if its so great not to be heard.
[/QUOTE]
Popularity is now what makes a landmark album.
By this logic the Velvet Underground did moot for music.
yeah, this argument is pretty pointless.. its a rage of confusing "good" albums and "landmark" albums
Its not necessarily about popularity either, and the assumption has been made that "I Hate New Music"
thats utter bullshit, lets get over it :ms:
and this Meshuggah band (coming out of nowhere).. they are good, can't deny that, heard some of their stuff, great music.
But describing it as a "driving" force for metal. Gonna have to disagree there, no elitism whatever, its just that I don't see this amazing force that these few people here are noticing. Just get it out of your heads that I am trying to out-do you guys.
It started hunky dory until one fool started a huge bandwagon by assuming I don't think new music is good.
Read "MisterMooth"'s post because I really think he is the only person who understands where I am coming from.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;22770324]It's not like he said albums from the last last decade have been bad. He's just saying there haven't been any landmark albums. We're talking important, unique and influential albums. Stuff that's worthy of being called a "classic", and can stand out amongst most of everything else. I haven't seen another Sgt. Pepper's or Nevermind.
I've listened to many albums from the past decade that I would call "amazing", but it's hard to call any of them landmark albums. It's possibly because almost all of these are fairly underground in terms of popularity, and the impact of these albums are generally restricted to their own genres. But even so, it's still too early to analyse the impact of albums from the past decade.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;22695225]I didn't say it wasn't a classic, and to most people it will remain a milestone
However to me, some of the albums I've listened to in the last 2 years have blown it completely out of the water.
In the long run though you're right, it will go down as a milestone and will be remembered.
Not for me though :v:
I'm not hating on sabbath though, they're p. cool[/QUOTE]
^^^ this is where the short debate should have ended.
:chatter:
I enjoyed that Boards of Canada album KingofTown, really great ambient stuff, cheers. Definitely recommend that stuff.
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This album is the right way to do pop music.
[QUOTE=Akayz;22777621]and this Meshuggah band (coming out of nowhere).. they are good, can't deny that, heard some of their stuff, great music.
But describing it as a "driving" force for metal. Gonna have to disagree there, no elitism whatever, its just that I don't see this amazing force that these few people here are noticing. Just get it out of your heads that I am trying to out-do you guys.[/quote]
Look up the word "djent".
I thought I'd never say that. :(
Meshuggah most definitely are a massive 'driving force' in metal. Lots of bands have imitated the musical style that Meshuggah play. They practically created a genre. They've been rated multiple times as one of the most important metal bands around just now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did these guys actually create the djent guitar style?
Mischa from Periphery used the word "djent" to describe the sound of Meshuggah. And, of course, all the Periphery fanbois go, "djentlol".
Periphery are awesome.
So he coined the term? And for those who don't know, it's onomatopoeia from the sound the guitar makes when played in that style.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;22779848]So he coined the term?[/QUOTE]
As far as I know. It's on the internet somewhere.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;22772950]Popularity is now what makes a landmark album.
By this logic the Velvet Underground did moot for music.[/QUOTE]
was sarcasm :smug:
Akayz, You don't even listen to metal, so why can you say who is, and who isn't releasing landmark albums, or driving it in new directions? You ARE an elitist, your posts leave nothing more than that.
There have been countless albums in the last 10 years that I can point as changing forces in metal, industrial, prog rock, post rock, post punk, sludge, and noise. You can't deny this because you haven't fucking heard them. You will, but you can't.
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U2 - Boy
My favourite album and U2's first. It's amazing.
^Nowadays they do, with all that modern jazzy stuff. :bang:
[QUOTE=King_of_Town;22791712]I'm... umm... really sorry... but... umm...
[sp]U2 kinda sucks[/sp][/QUOTE]
Hipster detected.
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U2 is awesome.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22785343]Akayz, You don't even listen to metal, so why can you say who is, and who isn't releasing landmark albums, or driving it in new directions? You ARE an elitist, your posts leave nothing more than that.
There have been countless albums in the last 10 years that I can point as changing forces in metal, industrial, prog rock, post rock, post punk, sludge, and noise. You can't deny this because you haven't fucking heard them. You will, but you can't.[/QUOTE]
The argument ended hours ago when I won/we
Just leave it
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22785343]Akayz, You don't even listen to metal, so why can you say who is, and who isn't releasing landmark albums, or driving it in new directions? You ARE an elitist, your posts leave nothing more than that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah its bullshit like this which makes the argument pointless. I have my opinions and if people don't agree that's fine, just don't label me for an excuse. If you don't understand where I'm coming from, then just leave it.
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No shit, don't derail this thread for the love of god
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Most of Rachmaninoff's best works, performanced by the man himself. Very beautiful pieces, and in some points very dramatic ones too. Best piano player/composer in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Akayz;22793133]Yeah its bullshit like this which makes the argument pointless. I have my opinions and if people don't agree that's fine, just don't label me for an excuse. If you don't understand where I'm coming from, then just leave it.[/QUOTE]
I can understand opinions, but when they're built on little or no foundation, it totally kills my wood. I can opine that there are landmark albums from the last decade and show my supporting evidence. Going "Nuh-uh!", and "Uh-huh!", back and forth does not bring any valid points to the discussion. The way it goes is that I say, "Metal guitarists never palm-mute," then anyone with half a brain comes in and says, "What the hell are you talking about? Virtually ever metal guitarist palm-mutes. Check out this Metallica shit: <album>", to which I respond, "omg ur rite, I gracefully rescind my statement."
Otherwise, this happens:
"Metal guitarists never palm mute."
"Yeah, they do."
"I see no evidence of this. I maintain my original position."
Who's right in the latter scenario? Neither party. Without substantiation or admission, any argument is rendered invalid. Nobody gets any further. I have supplied my references, which anyone can check in a second. Unfortunately, there is a large number of people who innately will not listen, which is why fundamentalist Christians are still at a philosophical war with groups that have a great deal more empirical evidence stacked against them.
I just can't even see why it was started in the first place. I don't even think the argument is even about albums being landmarks any more.
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This is a fantastic album, some say it is a landmark in its own sense, I agree with that.
Lets just let albums mature and just see what happens, whatever we have suggested might be true in the future anyway.
Someone suggested that newer albums haven't had time to become milestones.
There is your answer :v:
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I'm in disbelief that this album hasn't been suggested, or I just haven't seen it :smug:
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[QUOTE=King_of_Town;22791712]I'm... umm... really sorry... but... umm...
[sp]U2 kinda sucks[/sp][/QUOTE]
Anything produced by Brian Eno can't possibly suck.
[editline]08:09AM[/editline]
except maybe coldplay
Content
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An amazing post hardcore album and band :), not a fan of the use of the keyboard but there are some really cool riffs in there that I like.
Also Akayz the argument started because you were saying just because you hadn't heard something or that the fact that it wasn't well known, it wasn't a landmark. But let's not ride that train again.
Seeing as the other two "epic" Pink Floyd albums have already been posted I shall post the third
[img] http://www.danielcasado.com/web/contenido/Derivas/the%20wall.jpg [/img]
And lastly
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Did you just fucking put a Slipknot album in the same fucking post with a Pink Floyd album
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;22797581]Did you just fucking put a Slipknot album in the same fucking post with a Pink Floyd album[/QUOTE]
My two favorite bands
Saw Roger Waters and Slipknot a year or so apart from one another
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;22795460]you hadn't heard something or that the fact that it wasn't well known, it wasn't a landmark. [/QUOTE]
it was a bit blown out of proportion but the band that was suggested wasn't that recognized yet. Besides they haven't had the time to become more influential so yeah it was pretty pointless.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;22797581]Did you just fucking put a Slipknot album in the same fucking post with a Pink Floyd album[/QUOTE]
If there was a good Slipknot album, Iowa or Mate.Kill.Feed.Repeat would be it. They aren't abysmal.
[b]Hüsker Dü - Metal Circus[/b]
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Hardcore punk/post-punk.
A fairly ignored HD release, it's not full-lenght album but an EP.
Every song on it is great, with the highlights being First Of The Last Calls, a fast and fierce hardcore number, and Diane, a bizzare and disturbing mess of barely intelligible vocals and distorted guitars.
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Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 2 by Helloween
A very awesome Power Metal album with an awesome title song.
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