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My grandfather never went to collage. He went into the navy right out of highschool, then came back, went into the CIA, and wrote two books for them.
He was unnaturally smart though.
The education system in the United States is what determines your financial standing in life. The more education you have, the more employable you are. You can make a living without a college degree but your employment opportunities will be greatly limited and you'll probably have to spend your entire life trying to get a job that would be readily accessible to someone with a degree. Not to say that you won't have to work your way up if you have a degree. You'll just be working your way towards a private medical practice or a cushy government job, rather than a managerial position at Wal-Mart.
There are exceptions to every rule, however, so who knows - you might get lucky if you start your own business or something high-risk like that. But basically, a college education is what separates the working class from the middle and upper classes. It also gives you a good chance at putting a gap between what you do and what you earn by way of a yearly salary or more time off. If you can obtain the money to buy your college education, do it.
Honestly, the way I see it is if you want to do something you would probably like going to a place to learn how to do it.
And if what you want to do isn't something college related, like crocodile wrassling or something, then college wouldn't matter in that instance anyway.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20674065]
Academics and Intelligence are not one in the same.
You could be dumb as a brick and you could still get into college because many academic courses rely on method training and routine, not your raw intelligence. I've met some incredibly stupid people that have high grades. Intelligence is your cognitive capacity and ability to solve a wide range of problems taking many factors into account. Having a good work ethic is enough to get you through highschool with good grades, and intellegence has nothing to do with your work ethic.[/QUOTE]
I kind of agree but that pretty much sounds like an excuse made by people who can do well at school but don't because they are too lazy. In higher level classes your grade directly depends on how much you can understand complex concepts, or are willing to work to the point where you can. It's not surprising that the most intelligent people [I]usually[/I] are the ones who can achieve high scores in the highest-level classes.
You can't get through a Calc BC course entirely on work ethic.
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also: Am I the only one who can't stand people who actually achieve? I mean there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a doctor or being a lwayer, or setting goals or working hard. But i just can't imagine choosing a career. Something that you'll be stuck with for the rest of your life. Day-in, day-out, doing the same thing over and over. I couldn't imagine deciding how you were going to live your life from such a young age. I just don't want to live a life where i know where it's going. that's boring.[/QUOTE]
If you actually do spend the rest of your life "going with the flow" I guarantee you that you'll probably be poor/homeless.
Unless you're an artist of some sort.
And even then the chances of making good money off of that is slim to null.
[QUOTE=claythepro;20676800]This thread makes me sad to be in this time =([/QUOTE]
Why, because we've finally reached the point where most kids have the opportunity to have a strong education, probably the most important thing in early life, but so many turn it down because they don't understand the importance of it?
My debate team coach told me that one of his best students never went to college and became famous and successful.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677117]My debate team coach told me that one of his best students never went to college and became famous and successful.[/QUOTE]
Chances are that person had some sort of talent that led him to be famous and successful. You got any?
You know who else never went to college?
His name is Dan, he's in his 30's, and he grills burgers for me at McDonalds every week.
Also my mom never even finished highschool and makes 100K a year
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677117]My debate team coach told me that one of his best students never went to college and became famous and successful.[/QUOTE]
That this case was notable enough for him to tell you about it should indicate that this student was an anomaly
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677176]Also my mom never even finished highschool and makes 100K a year[/QUOTE]
doing what!?
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677176]Also my mom never even finished highschool and makes 100K a year[/QUOTE]
Ok drop out it's the only way to getting a lot of money go do it right now.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677176]Also my mom never even finished highschool and makes 100K a year[/QUOTE]
Yea as a hooker.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677239]Self taught programmer[/QUOTE]
And how long did it take before she got 100k? Keep in mind that you can't teach yourself nanobiotechnology, or advanced physics that PhD's can offer. Computer programming is easy and easily learned, but science is not.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677239]Self taught programmer[/QUOTE]
Bullshit, you're on a board of people teaching themselves every language there is, I don't think any of them expect six figures, maybe in their entire life.
Pffft. Who needs colledge?
[QUOTE=JIAC;20668379]Easier said than done. Many people can't get support from their parents or don't want to, and rising prices and inflation means that unless you save up, you're going to be strapped for cash all the time when you have to pay for college related things AND bills, expenses, etc unless you're living with your parents, and even then you're paying for car insurance and other misc. things. Oh, and have fun owing $90K worth of your cash to your school. :buddy:
The smartest plan is to progress slowly with your classes so you don't have to dig yourself out of that hole. Full-time college is a bad idea when you have a failing economy and a shaky job environment. College is a must for any job these days, but doing it all at once will leave you in agony for the next few years as you pay off all of that debt you racked up, or in the worst case, try to even find a job to pay it off.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Either way you do it, you're going to end up owing $90k-ish. I'd rather get it done in 4 years and start a job, than draw it out longer. Also, a lot of scholarships and grants are credit-dependent, meaning they are revoked if you go to school less than full-time. It's pretty easy to work part-time during college to help offset the cost as there are tons of on-campus jobs for students (again, usually only for full-time students). Once you graduate, you can earn a lot more money and depending on how willing you are to move and use the services the college offers, it's really not that hard to find a job.
Yes.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;20677084]If you actually do spend the rest of your life "going with the flow" I guarantee you that you'll probably be poor/homeless.
Unless you're an artist of some sort.
And even then the chances of making good money off of that is slim to null.[/QUOTE]
Well, depends on what you're doing.
A good artist can survive anywhere with other people, and thrive if they have a computer.
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[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;20677223]Ok drop out it's the only way to getting a lot of money go do it right now.[/QUOTE]
Well no, the point isn't that only people that drop out of high school can get money, it's that not only people who don't drop out of high school can make money.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20677255]And how long did it take before she got 100k? Keep in mind that you can't teach yourself nanobiotechnology, or advanced physics that PhD's can offer. Computer programming is easy and easily learned, but science is not.[/QUOTE]
Fuck science, 100k a year doing programming sounds good
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Bullshit, you're on a board of people teaching themselves every language there is, I don't think any of them expect six figures, maybe in their entire life.
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I bet it pisses you off that she does it all with visual basic
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677480]Fuck science, 100k a year doing programming sounds good[/QUOTE]
I'm just making an example, plus my planned career has a chance of making me billions, not mere thousands.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20677501]I'm just making an example, plus my planned career has a chance of making me billions, not mere thousands.[/QUOTE]
100k a year is good enough for me
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677519]100k a year is good enough for me[/QUOTE]
Think about what you can do with billions. BILLIONS MAN, THAT'S FUCKING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF ZIMBABWE'S GDP.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20677543]Think about what you can do with billions. BILLIONS MAN, THAT'S FUCKING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF ZIMBABWE'S GDP.[/QUOTE]
Barely, 1 billion zimbabwe dollars is like, 1000$ US
proboards it's not the same these days. Check out programming jobs, I'm sure many of them require Bachelor degrees. A highschool or even a tradeschool education doesn't cut it anymore these days.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;20677587]proboards it's not the same these days. Check out programming jobs, I'm sure many of them require Bachelor degrees.[/QUOTE]
she got her job like, last year. It took her about a year to learn Visual Basic
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677583]Barely, 1 billion zimbabwe dollars is like, 1000$ US[/QUOTE]
Zimbabwe makes 3 billion USD a year. And no, 3 billion zimbabwe dollars buy three eggs. It's about a billion Z$ to a USD.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20677480]Fuck science, 100k a year doing programming sounds good
I bet it pisses you off that she does it all with visual basic[/QUOTE]
Even if your mom makes a ton of money without a degree, that doesn't mean that most people today could. More people are going to college, which means more employers are looking for people with college degrees.
Edit: Just noticed you said she just got her job last year, so nevermind. That's impressive.
Still though, you shouldn't base what you're going to do on what one person managed to accomplish. Most people who don't graduate high school don't make $100k/year.
Unless you plan on starting your own business, inventing something, or doing something else that doesn't require an education for the job you're good. But if you ever want to advance in a business yes you do.
Also, think about it, if programmers were in such high demand to make 100k a year every FP'er would be millionaires.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20677501]I'm just making an example, plus my planned career has a chance of making me billions, not mere thousands.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes of course
I'm sure that Zombiefreak is the next billionaire
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