[QUOTE=Scrappa;36257139]I have seen the videos of the dead children, the shelling and the fires. You should know that there are other groups than Assad's military which are popping up while Assad has no control and are doing these sick things due to what is basically Anarchy over there right now. I'm not saying I'm sure Assad's men didn't do these things, the shelling and fires was clearly them but I don't know about the massacres. Assad himself denied that his men had anything to do with the massacres and blames these groups but also says he regrets the civilian losses during the shelling and is sorry. [/QUOTE]
So he regrets civilian losses for shelling but allows the Syrian Army to keep shelling civilian populated areas?
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;36275159]So he regrets civilian losses for shelling but allows the Syrian Army to keep shelling civilian populated areas?[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's what he says. Everywhere that the rebels hide are civilian populated, they want it to be all over the news that he is shelling civilians so the US or NATO get involved just like in Libya.
I'm not saying one side is better than the other by the way, both are as bad as each other but everyone saw what happened in Libya when Qaddafi was removed. That country has gone to total shit because different rebel groups are now fighting each other. There is more than one rebel group in Syria, the same could happen.
[QUOTE=Scrappa;36275639]Yes, that's what he says. Everywhere that the rebels hide are civilian populated, they want it to be all over the news that he is shelling civilians so the US or NATO get involved just like in Libya.
I'm not saying one side is better than the other by the way, both are as bad as each other but everyone saw what happened in Libya when Qaddafi was removed. That country has gone to total shit because different rebel groups are now fighting each other. There is more than one rebel group in Syria, the same could happen.[/QUOTE]
The Syrian army was attacking civilians before armed resistance even started. Besieging of citys started during the protest, during which food, water and other necessitys where cut off. That is where it evolved onward into a full blown upraising.
I fail to see how the rebels are on the same moral level of the Assad regime.
Holy crap, you people act like you have an issue.
Who cares what kind of vehicle it is.
Yeah I also find it to be like a T-72, for one, the wheels are too big for a BMP.
Looks like a BMP-3 with a different turret to me. I doubt they would be rolling around with T-72's in a city, because it doesn't make any sense to fight a rebel force with that, it's too big and the cannon is more fit for tank fighting.
May this conflict end soon.
[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;36276437]Looks like a BMP-3 with a different turret to me. I doubt they would be rolling around with T-72's in a city, because it doesn't make any sense to fight a rebel force with that, it's too big and the cannon is more fit for tank fighting.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.military.com/video/combat-vehicles/combat-tanks/syrian-t-72-shoots-cameraman/1674572209001/]But they do roll around in T-72s.[/url]
[QUOTE=lock eight;36276593][url=http://www.military.com/video/combat-vehicles/combat-tanks/syrian-t-72-shoots-cameraman/1674572209001/]But they do roll around in T-72s.[/url][/QUOTE]
That's an open desert, and even if they did roll around in T-72's in the middle of a city, the front stills looks like a BMP-3.
syria doesn't operate bmp-3s
They do roll around in T-72s, there are multiple videos on the net of them doing it. The front is not a BMP shape either, BMPs have the lower glacis at a large gradient and the upper glacis at a small gradient. You can also see the front guards for the tracks are above the upper glacis. This isn't the case on a BMP-3 vehicle. Another thing you can see which shows it isn't a BMP or BTR series is the gun barrel hanging over the back of the vehicle, none of the BMP or BTR series have a barrel long enough to hang over the back of the vehicle.
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Here are some pictures of T-72s in cities in Syria.
[thumb]http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/958/t72syrianarmyapr20121.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1598/t72ssyriadec20111.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/497/t72syria4apr20122.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1517/t72syrianapr20127.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4037/t72syrianarmy20121.jpg[/thumb]
Two T-55s.
[thumb]http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/2599/t62syrianarmymay20121.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8627/t55amvsyrianarmyapr2012.jpg[/thumb]
I hope this has managed to show you that they do roll around in the town with them. :)
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[thumb]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1598/t72ssyriadec20111.jpg[/thumb]
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The T72 at the top of the picture, if "far" makes it look like a BMP, but you can see the resemblance, the road wheels gives it away.
either t72 or pt-76 because tanks with 30mms don't get ammo racked like that
I think it might be a Gvozdika.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/2S1_Gvozdika.jpg/300px-2S1_Gvozdika.jpg[/img]
[editline]10th June 2012[/editline]
Could also be BMD-1
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Bmd-1_ifv.jpg[/img]
not sure it was a bmd-1 or the godzilla, in the video you see exhaust at the back left but i can't see that it would come from there in the picture above.
russian mbts on the other hand have exhaust ports at that location.
I understand their need to say ALLAHU AKBAR but to say ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR is just shy of silly
[QUOTE=Scrappa;36263489][img]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/136/t72syria.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Its not a BMP or what ever, its a T-72, guys look at those road wheels, their almost up to the top, BMP road wheels are too small, also BTR wheels are too little, its more than 4 wheels a side.
T-72 road wheels are pretty big, kind of like the Russian T-90 road wheels.
If you just look at the shape of the front and the fact the front mudguards are above the upper glacis you can tell it's not a BTR, BRDM or BMP series. It's a T-55 or T-72 then you see it has a stowage box which most T-55s don't have apart from the modernised one. So far I've seen one T-55 with stowage and like 10 without on images from Syria so it's probably a T-72 which all have stowage.
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