• What could there be beside Life?
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[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;19345866]Viruses. Kind of the gray area of life/non-life.[/QUOTE] Yeah like some.. darker form of life.
These sorts of questions can drive you mad because they are too complex and require you to step out of your perception of reality. I've come to the conclusion that they're fun to think about but they never will amount to any functional purpose. If there were no life on earth, then other planets may still harbor life, if you mean no life anywhere, then life would eventually form from non-life according to an evolutionary based theory because at one point there was no life. So to answer your question, if there where no life in the universe that we can perceive, than given the nature of the universe we perceive, life would likely form in time. I often wonder if our universe behaves in such a way that promotes the emergence of life from non-life. Maybe there are other universes out there that are less prone towards life's existence? Sort of fruitless to think about. [editline]09:49AM[/editline] Maybe not fruitless, it can be very stimulating to think about and put your conception of life/religion/ect into a different light.
Well said
Monopoly
[QUOTE=40kplayer;19345342]Second Life. That is, if you avoid the furries and any other disturbing groups of people.[/QUOTE] that's impossible, it's basicly playing second life, and avoiding it at the same time.
A saucepan named George
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;19345276]How the fuck you can get energy from nowhere?[/QUOTE] anti-matter or Photons geee I love my Chemistry class, makes me feel like a retarded nerd [sp] if Facepunch already didnt make me feel that way [/sp]
Life would born sooner or later.
I've thought about this. It strains my mind when I think [B]"What if that person right across me was never born. I wouldn't notice the difference if they weren't, but they're such a big part of my life...".[/B] Some deep shit :smug:
Your loving and caring lord God almighty and Jesus Christ. Amen.
[img]http://insertbehavior.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/twoo.jpg[/img] Relevant, good book.
[QUOTE=:smug:;19348854]I've thought about this. It strains my mind when I think [B]"What if that person right across me was never born. I wouldn't notice the difference if they weren't, but they're such a big part of my life...".[/B] Some deep shit :smug:[/QUOTE] Deep? Hardly. Everything that happens at any time will have an effect on everyone on earth. The fact that you chose to wake up when you did instead of waking up 5 seconds later will have major impact on the rest of your life. In those 5 seconds a person could have driven his car far enough for you to never see it, but you see it because you woke up 5 seconds earlier and thus it unconsciously affects what you think at that moment making an impact on your future thoughts for all eternity as every thought will make up a new thought. So yes, of course that person across the street has an huge impact on your life, and it would have an huge impact on your life if he/she wasn't born. And you would of course never noticed it because it's two different realities and you can only live in one. [QUOTE=Panda.;19348923][img_thumb]http://insertbehavior.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/twoo.jpg[/img_thumb] Relevant, good book.[/QUOTE] Seems to only remove humans, not life.
Without the existence of humans or other humanoid races you could logically not write down any form of history. Therefore, the universe would cease to exist.
Congratulations. You have just discovered the Anthropic Principle. A theory which states that the existance of the universe and life are mutual requirements. Unfortunately it relies on the fact that, given ideal oppurtunities life would eventually evolve, which isn't necessarily true. The universe is entirely capable of existing with or without an observer.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;19349010]Without the existence of humans or other humanoid races you could logically not write down any form of history. Therefore, the universe would cease to exist.[/QUOTE] Uh, no. Things exists even if no one has written it down in history. The universe existed way before any form of creatures existed. History only helps in specifying WHAT existed. But what existed back then existed even without anyone writing it down in any form.
[QUOTE=dgg;19349030]Uh, no. Things exists even if no one has written it down in history. The universe existed way before any form of creatures existed. History only helps in specifying WHAT existed. But what existed back then existed even without anyone writing it down in any form.[/QUOTE] True stuff would exist... But no life-forms are their to watch it exist so whats the point of it's existence.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;19349096]True stuff would exist... But no life-forms are their to watch it exist so whats the point of it's existence.[/QUOTE] Is there any point in our existence just because we can book it down? I think not. "Hey guys! I just saw this great thing, there was this rock falling down of a cliff!" - "Okay... What are you going to do with that information?" "Share it with everyone!" - "Why?" "So they'll know" - "Why would they need to know?" "I dunno... Trivial Pursuit?"
Earth would look like this: [media] - Wait stop right there. I was about to just post a picture of a humanless beach and a picture of a forest and say that Earth would look like this and all the other planets would look the same. But trees are also life, and almost everything on our planet is altered by life. Without vegetation we would have no atmosphere, or a very bad one at least. Having no atmosphere would result in many different thing, like no wind, no clouds, and it all keeps branching off. It's hard to describe, but basically a lot of things would change on Earth that you wouldn't realize. But everywhere else would pretty much stay the same.
[QUOTE=Zoo;19349198]Earth would look like this: [media] - Wait stop right there. I was about to just post a picture of a humanless beach and a picture of a forest and say that Earth would look like this and all the other planets would look the same. But trees are also life, and almost everything on our planet is altered by life. Without vegetation we would have no atmosphere, or a very bad one at least. Having no atmosphere would result in many different thing, like no wind, no clouds, and it all keeps branching off. It's hard to describe, but basically a lot of things would change on Earth that you wouldn't realize. But everywhere else would pretty much stay the same.[/QUOTE] Hard to describe? ROCK! [QUOTE=Kyle902;19344974]Earth would be a desolate rock floating around the sun. Same goes for the entire universe.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Terminator/terminator_movie__2_.jpg[/img] ?
More importantly, without any life in the universe could you then say the universe don't exist? Since there is no intelligence to tell wether or not there is a universe, it would be much like asking if there is a sound when the tree falls in the forest if there is no one around to hear it? It is entirely possible that life will die out in 50-70 billion years when the universe might experience The Big Freeze and all energy except radio waves and radiation lingers around.
[QUOTE=Beafman;19350578]More importantly, without any life in the universe could you then say the universe don't exist? Since there is no intelligence to tell wether or not there is a universe, it would be much like asking if there is a sound when the tree falls in the forest if there is no one around to hear it? It is entirely possible that life will die out in 50-70 billion years when the universe might experience The Big Freeze and all energy except radio waves and radiation lingers around.[/QUOTE] No, it would exist, it's just that nobody would know about it. Just becuase no one can document if there is a sound when a tree falls without anyone to hear it doesn't mean that it doesn't make a sound (if it does). Things exist because they exist. Not because someone knows they exist. Unless you mean that some galaxies without any lifeforms we have yet not discovered will only exist when we discover them.
[QUOTE=dgg;19350613]No, it would exist, it's just that nobody would know about it. Just becuase no one can document if there is a sound when a tree falls without anyone to hear it doesn't mean that it doesn't make a sound (if it does). [b]Things exist because they exist. Not because someone knows they exist. Unless you mean that some galaxies without any lifeforms we have yet not discovered will only exist when we discover them.[/b][/QUOTE] If we can't see them, messure them or not at all know they are there, do they then exist?
[QUOTE=Beafman;19351768]If we can't see them, messure them or not at all know they are there, do they then exist?[/QUOTE] Yes. Why wouldn't they? Just becuase you weren't at a party doesn't mean the party didn't exist. Get it? Humans aren't the only thing in the whole universe you should care about. The universe existed way before life. The universe didn't start when life started. Life was created in the universe.
[QUOTE=dgg;19351839]Yes. Why wouldn't they? Just becuase you weren't at a party doesn't mean the party didn't exist. Get it? Humans aren't the only thing in the whole universe you should care about. The universe existed way before life. The universe didn't start when life started. Life was created in the universe.[/QUOTE] The party don't exist for me, therefor i will first know it did exist when I hear about it. Up until that point, it didn't exist. Now see, if you were dead, you wouldn't exist therefor the universe don't exist for you. But if everything organic or non-organic life were dead, the universe wouldn't exist at all. The same would be true if life hadn't evolved after the big bang. With no one to see or live in the universe, it does not exist.
There would be an empty planet all bored in space.
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Well OP, if there would be nothing in the universe, no matter, no life, nothing, there would be only space. Empty space
[QUOTE=Beafman;19352142]The party don't exist for me, therefor i will first know it did exist when I hear about it. Up until that point, it didn't exist. Now see, if you were dead, you wouldn't exist therefor the universe don't exist for you. But if everything organic or non-organic life were dead, the universe wouldn't exist at all. The same would be true if life hadn't evolved after the big bang. With no one to see or live in the universe, it does not exist.[/QUOTE] It does exist, it's just no one aknowledges it exists.
[QUOTE=Beafman;19352142]The party don't exist for me, therefor i will first know it did exist when I hear about it. Up until that point, it didn't exist. Now see, if you were dead, you wouldn't exist therefor the universe don't exist for you. But if everything organic or non-organic life were dead, the universe wouldn't exist at all. The same would be true if life hadn't evolved after the big bang. With no one to see or live in the universe, it does not exist.[/QUOTE] No. The party would exist. You just wouldn't know it existed. You aren't everything, things exist even without your knowledge of it. Of course it wouldn't exist for ME, because I'm absolutely nothing, but that doesn't remove the fact that it does exist. [QUOTE=OrDnAs;19352360]Well OP, if there would be nothing in the universe, no matter, no life, nothing, there would be only space. Empty space[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't it be matter? Matter isn't created by life. An example: Just because random child worker 37362367 doesn't know about you, and you don't know about him doesn't make your existences invalid. You both exist even though neither of you know you exist. A better example: There are only 2 people left in the world, the one is you, the other is me, there is no electricity left on earth and we live on each our halves of the planet. Now, I think I'm all alone on this planet, and so do you. So we both believe we are the only survivors. But just because we believe that as we know nothing else does not remove the existence of the both of us.
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