• What could there be beside Life?
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Lots of threads about life and whatnot, lately.
Facepunch is aware of it's impending doom. Time to choose your side. Will you part with the religious fuck-nuts, or will you see the truth and be athiest? Either way, you're gonna be plunged into eternal non-existance anyway.
LSD, Shrooms, and DMT give you new, more objective views on life. That is, if you're open-minded and interested enough to try them.
Death?
[QUOTE=dgg;19352488]No. The party would exist. You just wouldn't know it existed. You aren't everything, things exist even without your knowledge of it. Of course it wouldn't exist for ME, because I'm absolutely nothing, but that doesn't remove the fact that it does exist. Why wouldn't it be matter? Matter isn't created by life. An example: Just because random child worker 37362367 doesn't know about you, and you don't know about him doesn't make your existences invalid. You both exist even though neither of you know you exist. A better example: There are only 2 people left in the world, the one is you, the other is me, there is no electricity left on earth and we live on each our halves of the planet. Now, I think I'm all alone on this planet, and so do you. So we both believe we are the only survivors. But just because we believe that as we know nothing else does not remove the existence of the both of us.[/QUOTE] Of course I am everything, it is I who live my own life, just as you live your own. However to me, as an individual, I am everything. If I die, so do the world to me, therefor it stops existing. The same could be applied to you. This thread is about the same with life in the entire universe. The party only exist because there is other people holding the party, yet if there is no people, there is no party. Therefor the party does not exist, since there is no one attending it.
I've been thinking about this lately, too. There would just be nothing, but there would still be something, but no one would know there was something, so there would be nothing but ARRRRRRRRGH
A good example would be mars.
Mars but on earth
[QUOTE=smurfy;19358057]I've been thinking about this lately, too. There would just be nothing, but there would still be something, but no one would know there was something, so there would be nothing but ARRRRRRRRGH[/QUOTE] no, there wouldn't be anything, that is the point.
[QUOTE=Beafman;19358012]Of course I am everything, it is I who live my own life, just as you live your own. However to me, as an individual, I am everything. If I die, so do the world to me, therefor it stops existing. The same could be applied to you. This thread is about the same with life in the entire universe. The party only exist because there is other people holding the party, yet if there is no people, there is no party. Therefor the party does not exist, since there is no one attending it.[/QUOTE] No. You are not everything. It's just that the only things that matters for you is you and your surroundings. Just because the world dies to you does not mean that it stops existing. It will keep on existing beyond your death. this has been proven millions of time and is why we have this thing called HISTORY. The party would cease existing because it would stop being a party. But the universe won't stop existing because it stops having life in it. It will still have plenty of mass in it. Just as the building/location the party was held at will still continue existing even though the party itself ceased existing.
I don't get what the op is asking
That's a hard question to answer. It's like asking what the 4th dimension looks like. We do not know because our perception of reality is only grounded in the 3rd. Likewise, it would be hard to imagine something other than life.
it could be argued that without perception there is no reality, but that is very unlikely. so basically nothing. or it just doesn't matter.
[QUOTE=dgg;19359081]No. You are not everything. It's just that the only things that matters for you is you and your surroundings. Just because the world dies to you does not mean that it stops existing. It will keep on existing beyond your death. [b]this has been proven millions of time and is why we have this thing called HISTORY.[/b] The party would cease existing because it would stop being a party. But the universe won't stop existing because it stops having life in it. It will still have plenty of mass in it. Just as the building/location the party was held at will still continue existing even though the party itself ceased existing.[/QUOTE] Which was because there was other people who could see the universe existed as they lived in it, if there is no people, aliens whatever, to tell about the universe existing, it stops existing.
[QUOTE=Beafman;19359797]Which was because there was other people who could see the universe existed as they lived in it, if there is no people, aliens whatever, to tell about the universe existing, it stops existing.[/QUOTE] ITT: RETARDED PEOPLE ARE REALLY RETARDED. how could you even manage to build that theory without your insanity alarm punching you in the balls sending you to a coma?
[QUOTE=Beafman;19359797]Which was because there was other people who could see the universe existed as they lived in it, if there is no people, aliens whatever, to tell about the universe existing, it stops existing.[/QUOTE] That makes no sense. Keep trying, eventually you might know what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=frums;19360772]That makes no sense. Keep trying, eventually you might know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm trying, makes sense in my mind, trying to explain it doesn't make sense though.
[QUOTE=Beafman;19359797]Which was because there was other people who could see the universe existed as they lived in it, if there is no people, aliens whatever, to tell about the universe existing, it stops existing.[/QUOTE] I get what you are saying, but the way you say it is just... I listened to that science autotune song, and if I remember correctly, Carl Sagan says " We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." What Beafman is saying is that the universe exists simply because we are here to observe it.
[QUOTE=Mr._N;19361116]I get what you are saying, but the way you say it is just...[/QUOTE] I know, it sounds not-smart :v:
[quote=darkcoder;19345082]there are other forms of energy than just matter. Either way, there can't be nothing, if there was no universe or universes then there would be nothing and nothing to say there's nothing thus a universe is required.[/quote] oh god my brain
[QUOTE=Beafman;19359797]Which was because there was other people who could see the universe existed as they lived in it, if there is no people, aliens whatever, to tell about the universe existing, it stops existing.[/QUOTE] Dude. The universe exists at first. It exists without anyone knowing it. Then after a while life is born in the universe, this life acknowledges the existence of the universe, at least a very very very very incredibly small part of it. This means that life can acknowledge the existence of the universe, but it doesn't mean it didn't exist before life was born, because the life had to be born in something first, which is the universe, which obviously means that the universe existed even without life in it. [QUOTE=Mr._N;19361116]What Beafman is saying is that the universe exists simply because we are here to observe it.[/QUOTE] No. The universe exists TO US because we observe it. Even if we don't observe it doesn't deny it's existence. It's just that no one can prove it's existence, but that doesn't change the fact that it does exist. Just because the cat in the box in Schrödinger's Cat Experiment COULD POSSIBLY Live and not live does not change the fact that it does one of the things under the box, we just don't know which of them. If it lives under the box it does so, even without anyones knowledge of it. It COULD be dead, but it isn't.
death
[QUOTE=Zulthus;19344967]All I can say is I really hurt my brain on this one. I simply tried thinking of what there could be without life. I can't explain what I mean if you don't get it, just - If life was not created, no organisms/cells or any form of matter. What would there be?[/QUOTE] Inanimate objects? What is puzzling about this?
Yeah, I was just about to mention Schrödinger's Cat. [editline]04:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19361571]Inanimate objects? What is puzzling about this?[/QUOTE] I think he is trying to imagine something other than life as we know it and inanimate objects.
[QUOTE=LurkietheLurker;19361547]death[/QUOTE] You can't have death without life.
[QUOTE=dgg;19361622]You can't have death without life.[/QUOTE] joke.
No, He's is trying to tell us What would be if nothing existed on the universe [QUOTE=Zulthus;19344967]All I can say is I really hurt my brain on this one. I simply tried thinking of what there could be without life. I can't explain what I mean if you don't get it, just - If life was not created, no organisms/cells or any form of matter. What would there be?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zulthus;19345013]No, nothing, no planets, no elements, nothing. What could there be besides any form of matter? Will edit post.[/QUOTE] There would be only space
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;19364080]No, He's is trying to tell us What would be if nothing existed on the universe There would be only space[/QUOTE] Then what is outside space? What is the universe constantly expanding into?
[QUOTE=Orsenfelt;19364247]Then what is outside space? What is the universe constantly expanding into?[/QUOTE] The space is infinite, the universe is expanding into the infinite
[QUOTE=Orsenfelt;19364247]Then what is outside space? What is the universe constantly expanding into?[/QUOTE] Space isn't expanding into anything in the sense that it's moving. But instead, the space between everything in the universe is expanding, yet it's not actually moving anything. For example, if you get 2 galaxies that are some distance apart and relative to each other they don't move, over the years the distance between them will increase because of the expansion of space, yet neither will have accelerated(though it may technically be considered acceleration?). But either way, due to the expansion of space/time, there's a certain distance at which you can place two objects where their gravity won't be enough to keep them together and they will move away from each other. This rate is rising over time, until based on current extrapolations will result in the other galaxies being way too far away from us, then later the other stars will be too far away from us, then the other planets, then all mater will break apart, aka: Heat Death.
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