Abolish Women's and Black History Months in favor of Human History Month? - General

yes and black people exist outside of western countries that go about their lives and aren't/have never been oppressed by their governments

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;41795653]sorry, what colour are the irish?[/QUOTE] The Irish may have suffered oppression, but they didn't suffer oppression because they were white. They suffered because they were Irish, which the Brits (who were extreme dicks) had brought many stereotypes about, and because they were catholic. But not because of the colour of their skin. [editline]Balls[/editline] It's equally bad, but just because the Irish suffered oppression doesn't make it so that white, often racist, people can say that they were oppressed too, so to shut up those who fight against the still going oppression against coloured people.

[QUOTE=NightWig;41795803]The Irish may have suffered oppression, but they didn't suffer oppression because they were white. They suffered because they were Irish, which the Brits (who were extreme dicks) had brought many stereotypes about, and because they were catholic. But not because of the colour of their skin. [editline]Balls[/editline] It's equally bad, but just because the Irish suffered oppression doesn't make it so that white, often racis, people can say that they were oppressed too, so to shut up those who fight for the still going oppression against coloured people.[/QUOTE] I'm just pointing out that it's foolish to say white people have never been oppressed. I haven't really said anything about the oppressed black people, or any other minorities for that matter.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;41795842]I'm just pointing out that it's foolish to say white people have never been oppressed. I haven't really said anything about the oppressed black people, or any other minorities for that matter.[/QUOTE] But white people, as a group, have never been oppressed. Only some groups within white people have been oppressed. There are many white homosexuals, and homosexuals are oppressed in very many countries. But that isn't to say that white people are oppressed. That only says that homosexuals are oppressed.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;41713764]While it's true that race and gender are purely socio-political constructs, it's been explained ad nauseum that things like Black History Month and the International Woman's Day are not about celebrating those specific demographics for being black or female, it's about recognizing their struggle to be recognized as equals in an unfair society. It's less about "Black History Month! Let's celebrate our pigmented skin!" and more about "Black History Month! Let's celebrate our struggle for our rights in the face of systematic oppression!". So no, it should not be abolished and it's not racist or sexist in the least. It doesn't segregate anyone and everyone can celebrate it. To say otherwise is ignorant. Before anyone suggests it, a "white day" would be pointless because white people as whole have never been subjected to institutional oppression like racial minorities and women have and still are subjected to.[/QUOTE] Exactly this.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;41697760]Uh, do you understand why we recognise black history and women's history? Both of these demographics have faced discrimination for a long time, up until around 100 years ago women in western society had very few rights (eg with women not being able to vote), and only around 50 years ago were black men and women finally considered equal to the rest of us. And still to this day there is discrimination against these groups in our society. If you're a woman your average pay would typically not be as high as the average pay of a man, and if you're black then you're more likely to be arrested than a white man or woman. Having a single holiday to 'reflect on great human accomplishments' is ridiculous because such a month of recognition would not give sufficient recognition to the adversity that many demographics have had to struggle with to get to where we are today.[/QUOTE] so what? you're only perpetuating the differences between individuals rather than what we share in common; that we aren't equal and people should be recognized as groups rather than individuals. when you group people together and give them special privileges or disadvantages you're dehumanizing them. in effect, all you've done is promote more discrimination. so how about instead of recognizing people for their genetic predisposition, we recognize them for their individual merits and actions. you can't have "pride" for belonging to a certain race because it doesn't describe the actions you've taken as a person. [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Slowbro;41796182]Exactly this.[/QUOTE] not really, it's just pathetic race baiting and borderline race separatism.

Did anybody else not even know there was a women's month?

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;41713764]While it's true that race and gender are purely socio-political constructs, it's been explained ad nauseum that things like Black History Month and the International Woman's Day are not about celebrating those specific demographics for being black or female, it's about recognizing their struggle to be recognized as equals in an unfair society. It's less about "Black History Month! Let's celebrate our pigmented skin!" and more about "Black History Month! Let's celebrate our struggle for our rights in the face of systematic oppression!". So no, it should not be abolished and it's not racist or sexist in the least. It doesn't segregate anyone and everyone can celebrate it. To say otherwise is ignorant. Before anyone suggests it, a "white day" would be pointless because white people as whole have never been subjected to institutional oppression like racial minorities and women have and still are subjected to.[/QUOTE] The ammount of double standard in this thread is sensational. I'm glad we don't have black history months in France, imagine putting up with such idiocy in real life. I find it pretty weird that a public institution like school would acknowledge, let alone caution a certain stance towards "races" and "genders"

I think we should just have more months of celebrating different events of history. Also so people don't get confused, why don't we rename the months into "Civil Rights Movement month" and "Suffrage Movement month?"

[QUOTE=davidrb18;41800601]The ammount of double standard in this thread is sensational. I'm glad we don't have black history months in France, imagine putting up with such idiocy in real life. I find it pretty weird that a public institution like school would acknowledge, let alone caution a certain stance towards "races" and "genders"[/QUOTE] i agree, it's full of liberal guilt. double standards are the entire basis of cultural marxism.

[QUOTE=tzoz;41805286]i agree, it's full of liberal guilt. double standards are the entire basis of cultural marxism.[/QUOTE] how is it guilt? it's a recognition for the actual struggles of africans and women had to go through, you can't just wave a wand away and say 'okay, lets stop talking about racism, it'll solve the century of slavery, segregation, institutional racism, and etc.' if a month dedicated to celebrating a group that truly struggled for a mess the country caused ( slavery, segregation, active racism, and etc.) angers you cause you can't understand it ( pretty much you guys dont cause you're white and never had to face the same problems lol ), then grow up you can't just fucking wave away these problems by just shutting up, because you can stay silent all you want, but those people who had to suffer poverty and other civil rights problem because the actions that actually happened are still going to exist seriously, the skit in the daily show more or less describes it perfectly a panel of white people kept saying race problem will go away if we stop talking about it and majority of racism is over a panel of black people said thats bullshit in its entirety

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41805723]if a month dedicated to celebrating a group that truly struggled for a mess the country caused ( slavery, segregation, active racism, and etc.) angers you cause you can't understand it ( pretty much you guys dont cause you're white and never had to face the same problems lol ), then grow up[/QUOTE] Obviously white people [I]never[/I] experience racism. And you know, every black person in the world knows exactly what slavery is like.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;41807779]Obviously white people [I]never[/I] experience racism. And you know, every black person in the world knows exactly what slavery is like.[/QUOTE] don't even try to compare both lol, it often really astounds me how people thinking feeling prejudiced for being white is even comparable against racism against africans you know why a lot of black people are suffering from poverty right? even if they aren't slaves, they still feel the effects of slavery from the past cause you know man, having your ancestors taken from their country and brought here as slaves, then having a century worth of forced segregation and refusal of rights have direct effect on you, it's common sense. it's like me kidnapping your parents from your house and forcing them into a slum, then everyone saying it's your parents fault for living in a slum and guess what: doing the extremely stupid privildeged suggestion of 'NO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, RACISM IS OVER, EVERYTHING IS FINE NOW, EVERYTHING IS BLACK PEOPLE'S FAULT, EVERYTHING!' isn't going to fix anything all you're doing is deluding yourself into believing there [I]isn't [/I]a problem to fix and that everything is okay now because we said we're sorry

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41808162]don't even try to compare both lol, it often really astounds me how people thinking feeling prejudiced for being white is even comparable against racism against africans you know why a lot of black people are suffering from poverty right? even if they aren't slaves, they still feel the effects of slavery from the past cause you know man, having your ancestors taken from their country and brought here as slaves, then having a century worth of forced segregation and refusal of rights have direct effect on you, it's common sense. it's like me kidnapping your parents from your house and forcing them into a slum, then everyone saying it's your parents fault for living in a slum and guess what: doing the extremely stupid privildeged suggestion of 'NO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, RACISM IS OVER, EVERYTHING IS FINE NOW, EVERYTHING IS BLACK PEOPLE'S FAULT, EVERYTHING!' isn't going to fix anything all you're doing is deluding yourself into believing there [I]isn't [/I]a problem to fix and that everything is okay now because we said we're sorry[/QUOTE] my god your posts are full of pure double standard. the sad part is you don't even realize you're perpetuating discrimination by giving special privileges simply based on color of someone's skin. in case you have trouble figuring it out, let me explain what is meant by "not talking about it". first of all, [I]it[/I] refers to the subject of race/color itself. by making it a habit for individuals to identify others on factors that they have no control over then you're only making that the basis for judging someone's character in the first place, rather than factors that define them as an individual (manners, work ethic, morals, etc.) in short, if you change peoples ATTITUDES on how we should judge others then you will eliminate problems like racism, sexism, etc.. granting victimhood and special privileges just makes it normal to discriminate. is that what you're trying to accomplish? because that's exactly what you're doing. you're NOT doing anyone any favors here, no matter how good it sounds on paper your ideology is fundamentally racist in itself. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;41805723]a panel of white people kept saying race problem will go away if we stop talking about it and majority of racism is over a panel of black people said thats bullshit in its entirety[/QUOTE] nice job on begging the question there.

[QUOTE=tzoz;41817551]my god your posts are full of pure double standard. the sad part is you don't even realize you're perpetuating discrimination by giving special privileges simply based on color of someone's skin. in case you have trouble figuring it out, let me explain what is meant by "not talking about it". first of all, [I]it[/I] refers to the subject of race/color itself. by making it a habit for individuals to identify others on factors that they have no control over then you're only making that the basis for judging someone's character in the first place, rather than factors that define them as an individual (manners, work ethic, morals, etc.) in short, if you change peoples ATTITUDES on how we should judge others then you will eliminate problems like racism, sexism, etc.. granting victimhood and special privileges just makes it normal to discriminate. is that what you're trying to accomplish? because that's exactly what you're doing. you're NOT doing anyone any favors here, no matter how good it sounds on paper your ideology is fundamentally racist in itself. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] nice job on begging the question there.[/QUOTE] it's not double standard, it's not being racist, it's doing what's right to compensate for what's been done a century ago, if america never wanted black or women history month, they should've started everyone on equal footing, not treating them like 2nd class citizens or slaves what people like you don't understand is that black history month or women history month isn't supposed to be divisive, [B]you[/B] perceive it as that. it's meant to highlight the struggles the african americans or women went through to prove that they were equal, that despite institutional racism that was still on effect until [B]1960[/B]'s, that they were no different from white people, that they were fucking [B]equal[/B] and what people like you don't understand is that we accept we should never grant privileges based on skin color or gender on [B]principle[/B], but that's not what [B]reality [/B]is do you live in poverty or piss poor areas cause your ancestors and family was stuck there by your own country, refused education and basic rights until recently? do you feel nervous walking by the police or other people wondering if they see you as a person ready to commit crime? have you ever been randomly frisked by officers simply cause of your skin color? were your rights ever taken away and only given back 50 years ago when all the damage was being done? tell me how in the world are white people and black people are on equal footing?[B] they're not[/B], that's why we grant shit like affirmative action and among other things so they can be, [B]cause being born in a piss poor area like the many of your ethnicity isn't your fault[/B] no matter how many times you keep saying 'NO, WE'RE DONE, EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IS EQUAL, OUR ATTITUDE SAYS RACISM IS BAD, THEREFORE ALL EFFECTS OF RACISM IS OVER', you will never change the shit that has already happened and never change the shit that is happening now cause of the past you wanna change things? you acknowledge racism, you acknowledge the things that happened, you acknowledge hardships they went through, then you actively try to balance it to make up for it 'not talking about it' are often the answer of extremely privileged people who never faced discrimination in his or her life, and actually think everyone in this country started in equal footing while it's a direct opposite [IMG]http://nader824.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/aconcisehistory.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;41807779]Obviously white people [I]never[/I] experience racism.[/QUOTE] Well yeah. The old definition of racism, which tied back to scientific racism, would be that racism is a belief about some form of racial superiority, but the understanding of what racism and the definition of the term has changed. Instead of looking at racism as a belief, it's more insightful to try to understand racism as a [i]system[/i], a product of attitudes which manifests itself in actual, measurable impacts on the world. In the United States white people are not disadvantaged in any way over people of color. There is not a single area of life in the United States, be it in employment, housing, secondary education, the justice system, the media, etc. where it is not advantageous to be white. Getting called a "cracker" on the street by some random guy is not racism because it does not lead to you being socially disadvantaged in any meaningful way. It's a prejudice, but it's a prejudice which is not part of a larger system of disenfranchisement.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41818017]Well yeah. The old definition of racism, which tied back to scientific racism, would be that racism is a belief about some form of racial superiority, but the understanding of what racism and the definition of the term has changed. Instead of looking at racism as a belief, it's more insightful to try to understand racism as a [i]system[/i], a product of attitudes which manifests itself in actual, measurable impacts on the world. In the United States white people are not disadvantaged in any way over people of color. There is not a single area of life in the United States, be it in employment, housing, secondary education, the justice system, the media, etc. where it is not advantageous to be white. Getting called a "cracker" on the street by some random guy is not racism because it does not lead to you being socially disadvantaged in any meaningful way. It's a prejudice, but it's a prejudice which is not part of a larger system of disenfranchisement.[/QUOTE] Yeah, calling someone a racial slur is racist. If I call some random black guy a Nigger, I'm racist. If I get harassed because I'm white, that is racism. Racism is racism.

[QUOTE=katbug;41818181]Yeah, calling someone a racial slur is racist. If I call some random black guy a Nigger, I'm racist. If I get harassed because I'm white, that is racism. Racism is racism.[/QUOTE] amazing, it's like you read that post only to ignore it and make your point cause what sigma said went over your head even from your pov, being called the n-slur is worse than a cracker, and it'll always will be

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41818005]it's not double standard, it's not being racist, it's doing what's right to compensate for what's been done a century ago, if america never wanted black or women history month, they should've started everyone on equal footing, not treating them like 2nd class citizens or slaves what people like you don't understand is that black history month or women history month isn't supposed to be divisive, [B]you[/B] perceive it as that. it's meant to highlight the struggles the african americans or women went through to prove that they were equal, that despite institutional racism that was still on effect until [B]1960[/B]'s, that they were no different from white people, that they were fucking [B]equal[/B] and what people like you don't understand is that we accept we should never grant privileges based on skin color or gender on [B]principle[/B], but that's not what [B]reality [/B]is do you live in poverty or piss poor areas cause your ancestors and family was stuck there by your own country, refused education and basic rights until recently? do you feel nervous walking by the police or other people wondering if they see you as a person ready to commit crime? have you ever been randomly frisked by officers simply cause of your skin color? were your rights ever taken away and only given back 50 years ago when all the damage was being done? tell me how in the world are white people and black people are on equal footing?[B] they're not[/B], that's why we grant shit like affirmative action and among other things so they can be, [B]cause being born in a piss poor area like the many of your ethnicity isn't your fault[/B] no matter how many times you keep saying 'NO, WE'RE DONE, EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IS EQUAL, OUR ATTITUDE SAYS RACISM IS BAD, THEREFORE ALL EFFECTS OF RACISM IS OVER', you will never change the shit that has already happened and never change the shit that is happening now cause of the past you wanna change things? you acknowledge racism, you acknowledge the things that happened, you acknowledge hardships they went through, then you actively try to balance it to make up for it 'not talking about it' are often the answer of extremely privileged people who never faced discrimination in his or her life, and actually think everyone in this country started in equal footing while it's a direct opposite [IMG]http://nader824.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/aconcisehistory.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] all i see is you playing the victim card, pretty pathetic. and that comic is beyond stupidity. tell me, how does it make sense to "compensate" by punishing an entire group of people for what happened due to a minority centuries ago? if you fail to understand history then dr. david duke will be happy to explain: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZqSMzOyEPU[/url] [editline]13th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41818017] Getting called a "cracker" on the street by some random guy is not racism because it does not lead to you being socially disadvantaged in any meaningful way. It's a prejudice, but it's a prejudice which is not part of a larger system of disenfranchisement.[/QUOTE] then by your backwards logic it wouldn't be racist to call a black person a nigger, right? after all it's just a word.

[QUOTE=tzoz;41818766]all i see is you playing the victim card, pretty pathetic. and that comic is beyond stupidity. tell me, how does it make sense to "compensate" by punishing an entire group of people for what happened due to a minority centuries ago?[/QUOTE] LMAO, you call me pathetic but you didn't address a single point i told you nor you don't understand basic shit like slavery from the past affecting the present and give me an entirely irrelevant vid- Wait, did you just link me to a dumb video by a dude from the KKK? LOL, nevermind then, now i understand where you're coming from edit: [IMG]http://ronpaulsupporters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/davidduke-ronpaul.jpg[/IMG] hey, no wonder you spew shit like this, you consider this man smart

[QUOTE=tzoz;41818766]then by your backwards logic it wouldn't be racist to call a black person a nigger, right? after all it's just a word.[/QUOTE] You just took that statement sigma posted completely out of context and ignored the point he was getting at.

[QUOTE=Valnar;41819074]You just took that statement sigma posted completely out of context and ignored the point he was getting at.[/QUOTE] Not really. That's the point he made; that racism can't work backwards because of certain limiting factors. What he said is incorrect.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41818978]LMAO, you call me pathetic but you didn't address a single point i told you nor you don't understand basic shit like slavery from the past affecting the present and give me an entirely irrelevant vid- Wait, did you just link me to a dumb video by a dude from the KKK? LOL, nevermind then, now i understand where you're coming from edit: [IMG]http://ronpaulsupporters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/davidduke-ronpaul.jpg[/IMG] hey, no wonder you spew shit like this, you consider this man smart[/QUOTE] i condensed it into a few sentences, thats all i needed to say about your mindless victimhood drivel. that video is based on historical records and actual FACT, david duke has a ph.d in history, that photo you posted of him is pretty irrelevant to the content in the video, which you probably didn't even watch for more than five minutes. if you're going to cling to the past to milk benefits from having a victim status instead of acting progressively and loving your enemy, then at least be factual about it. [editline]13th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=katbug;41819168]Not really. That's the point he made; that racism can't work backwards because of certain limiting factors. What he said is incorrect.[/QUOTE] pretty much right

[QUOTE=tzoz;41819537]i condensed it into a few sentences, thats all i needed to say about your mindless victimhood drivel. that video is based on historical records and actual FACT, david duke has a ph.d in history, that photo you posted of him is pretty irrelevant to the content in the video, which you probably didn't even watch for more than five minutes. if you're going to cling to the past to milk benefits from having a victim status instead of acting progressively and loving your enemy, then at least be factual about it.[/QUOTE] yeah man, calling the fact of the africans were pretty much oppressed and they're not on equal footing of other people therefore requires help can definitely be condensed to 'victimhood, more race ward, more special status!!!' cause you know, if a nation is responsible for your poverty since they forced your family into a shit slum, they have responsibility to rectify it is definitely 'milking benefits' and 'victimhood', and not reality while saying 'dont talk about it' is another way of trying to rationalize there is no racism nor is there a problem and that picture is relevant, its the most relevant thing in this entire thread concerning you: you're a fan of a grand wizard of the KKK who writes critical acclaimed hard hitting books like "jewish supremacism' i mean, the video isn't even relevant, it talks about how jews were evil and they ran the slave trade while my entire point was that slavery existed in america which later forced many african americans into poverty so pretty much, the reason why you can't comprehend simple idea of oppression and how it affects people is because you're a white supremacist lol gg

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41819613]yeah man, calling the fact of the africans were pretty much oppressed and they're not on equal footing of other people therefore requires help can definitely be condensed to 'victimhood, more race ward, more special status!!!' cause you know, if a nation is responsible for your poverty since they forced your family into a shit slum, they have responsibility to rectify it is definitely 'milking benefits' and 'victimhood', and not reality while saying 'dont talk about it' is another way of trying to rationalize there is no racism nor is there a problem[/quote] how can you blame an entire nation for enslaving a group of people? do you have any evidence that this was backed by a vast majority? there were always abolitionists about but apparently they don't count in your expert judgement. your idea is to lump an entire group of people together based on the color of their skin and assume that they deserve special treatment against any reasonable doubt. i think there's a word for that... oh right, it's [B]racism[/B]. wanna know why? because this victim complex has been completely institutionalized. don't believe me? watch CNN/MSNBC for an hour and then talk with a straight face. [quote]and that picture is relevant, its the most relevant thing in this entire thread concerning you: you're a fan of a grand wizard of the KKK who writes critical acclaimed hard hitting books like "jewish supremacism'[/quote] he writes based on fact gathered from jewish historians, scripture, and records. you can read the Talmud (holiest jewish book) if you want to understand that judaism at its roots is a supremacy ideology. but now i see you're too hung up on the past and blinded by misplaced hatred to make any kind of rational judgement. the fact of the matter is his video is 100% backed by evidence, but you haven't even bothered to dissect that as you go straight for an ad-hominem attack. bravo skippy, you're a terrible debater. [quote]i mean, the video isn't even relevant, it talks about how jews were evil and they ran the slave trade[/quote] tell me where the video explicitly states that "jews are evil", because when i watched it all i saw was historical evidence showing that the trans-atlantic slave trade was dominated by individuals subscribing to judaism rather than any western/white traditional values, yet this entire thread has been you bitching about white people and slavery. ohhh, you're a hypocrite, i get it now! [quote]while my entire point was that slavery existed in america which later forced many african americans into poverty[/quote] okay, you're stating a widely accepted historical fact. where are we now? what has your endless complaining accomplished? you're harping on the [B]past[/B] suffering of others instead of ensuring that every individual has equality of opportunity in the [B]present[/B]; not by granting special privilege or paying "tribute" (read: money that says "im sorry im sorry im sorry"), but instead by changing peoples attitudes on how we should judge one another. even if you belong to a "race" of people, your genetic makeup still makes you unique in one way or another from everyone else on the planet, so how the fuck is it fair to lump them all together? for the sake of convenience on your end? that's really fucking disgusting. wanna know why MLK was a great person? because he followed the non-aggression doctrine of civil disobedience. he took teachings from Jesus (love thy enemy) and Thoreau (refusal to obey an unjust law), and instead of standing on the graves of dead slaves, he instead decided to say this: [I]"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."[/I] the sad part is if MLK were alive in america today he would be severely disappointed at what has happened. [quote]so pretty much, the reason why you can't comprehend simple idea of oppression and how it affects people is because you're a white supremacist lol gg[/QUOTE] excellent, you can't dissect any of my points whatsoever so instead you rely on an [B]unfounded personal attack[/B] to save your sorry ass! quite brilliant, if i do say so myself, but i must ask if you have any legitimate points to make; ones that don't have their roots in a fundamentally flawed system of judging individuals? oh wait, you don't. closing quote? [I]"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."[/I] gg

[QUOTE=katbug;41819168]Not really. That's the point he made; that racism can't work backwards because of certain limiting factors. What he said is incorrect.[/QUOTE] You could explain how it's incorrect. Like I said that, in academic understandings at least, the definition of racism has changed to understand racism not as just a prejudice but as a system of prejudices given institutional form (and that just pointing at a dictionary and saying "this is what racism is" is a 6th grade level tactic that ignores the nuance and malleability of the english language). You could actually acknowledge this contention by showing that A: you understand it and B: you think it is wrong because of so and so reasons but you haven't done that. You've just said "racism is racism, you're wrong."

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41826313]You could explain how it's incorrect. Like I said that, in academic understandings at least, the definition of racism has changed to understand racism not as just a prejudice but as a system of prejudices given institutional form (and that just pointing at a dictionary and saying "this is what racism is" is a 6th grade level tactic that ignores the nuance and malleability of the english language). You could actually acknowledge this contention by showing that A: you understand it and B: you think it is wrong because of so and so reasons but you haven't done that. You've just said "racism is racism, you're wrong."[/QUOTE] no its because racism works both ways. it's kind of pathetic how you don't realize the double standards you're perpetuating, because it's relatively easy to understand if, you know, you try to approach it [B]without bias[/B]. makes you no better than a white supremacist.

Again, lots of "you're wrong" but not a lot of "here's why".

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41818005]it's not double standard, it's not being racist, it's doing what's right to compensate for what's been done a century ago, if america never wanted black or women history month, they should've started everyone on equal footing, not treating them like 2nd class citizens or slaves what people like you don't understand is that black history month or women history month isn't supposed to be divisive, [B]you[/B] perceive it as that. it's meant to highlight the struggles the african americans or women went through to prove that they were equal, that despite institutional racism that was still on effect until [B]1960[/B]'s, that they were no different from white people, that they were fucking [B]equal[/B] and what people like you don't understand is that we accept we should never grant privileges based on skin color or gender on [B]principle[/B], but that's not what [B]reality [/B]is do you live in poverty or piss poor areas cause your ancestors and family was stuck there by your own country, refused education and basic rights until recently? do you feel nervous walking by the police or other people wondering if they see you as a person ready to commit crime? have you ever been randomly frisked by officers simply cause of your skin color? were your rights ever taken away and only given back 50 years ago when all the damage was being done? tell me how in the world are white people and black people are on equal footing?[B] they're not[/B], that's why we grant shit like affirmative action and among other things so they can be, [B]cause being born in a piss poor area like the many of your ethnicity isn't your fault[/B] no matter how many times you keep saying 'NO, WE'RE DONE, EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IS EQUAL, OUR ATTITUDE SAYS RACISM IS BAD, THEREFORE ALL EFFECTS OF RACISM IS OVER', you will never change the shit that has already happened and never change the shit that is happening now cause of the past you wanna change things? you acknowledge racism, you acknowledge the things that happened, you acknowledge hardships they went through, then you actively try to balance it to make up for it 'not talking about it' are often the answer of extremely privileged people who never faced discrimination in his or her life, and actually think everyone in this country started in equal footing while it's a direct opposite [IMG]http://nader824.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/aconcisehistory.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] You're forgetting the simple fact that more black people have immigrated to the US on their own than the total number brought over by slavery. While they would still reap social racism they in no way would be held down by a family history of slavery. Your argument also hasn't applied to many other stigmatized groups such as the Chinese or the Jews, who have arguably had the longest history of worldwide institutional racism of any group in the history of mankind.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41826559]Again, lots of "you're wrong" but not a lot of "here's why".[/QUOTE] nothing gets past you, does it? try rereading my posts and then using your critical reading skills to understand my point. [editline]13th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;41826662]You're forgetting the simple fact that more black people have immigrated to the US on their own than the total number brought over by slavery. While they would still reap social racism they in no way would be held down by a family history of slavery.[/QUOTE] also another interesting fact, when the trans-atlantic trade originated, blacks in africa were already being enslaved by other blacks, and then sold off to the so-called europeans!