• Weightlifting/Bodybuilding V2-General questions and help in here, u mirin?
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[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687387]It's a [i][b]fact[/b][/i] not my opinion. It's how the body works.[/QUOTE] ARE YOU HONESTLY FUCKING IMPLYING THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SHIT THAT YOURE TYPING?a
[QUOTE=Casusv3;28687392]ARE YOU HONESTLY FUCKING IMPLYING THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SHIT THAT YOURE TYPING?a[/QUOTE] Your stupidity amazes me
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687398]Your stupidity amazes me[/QUOTE] lmao i honestly cant believe you think that by running for 20 minutes you will burn " straight fat". although what you said about 5 minute part is somewhat but kind of not really true ( it actually is less than that and uses different sources ) but thats for ANAEROBIC TRAINING as in HOLDING A LIFT FOR 5 FUCKING MINUTEs
[QUOTE=Casusv3;28687443]lmao i honestly cant believe you think that by running for 20 minutes you will burn " straight fat". although what you said about 5 minute part is true ( it actually is less than that) but thats for ANAEROBIC TRAINING as in HOLDING A LIFT FOR 5 FUCKING MINUTEs[/QUOTE] Your burning [I]some[/I] muscle, but your are mostly burning fat. Yes, straight fat. Anaerobic training? I'm talking about you go on the same workout as you normally do just decrease the weight and increase the reps Come at me bro
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687483]Your burning [i]some[/i] muscle, but your are mostly burning fat. Yes, straight fat. Anaerobic training? I'm talking about you go on the same workout as you normally do just decrease the weight and increase the reps[/QUOTE] you clearly dont realise how either shitty your classes are or how shitty your understanding of what was taught in those classes . muscle burning is at the most fucking extreme of extreme of extremes that you wont reach at 20 minutes. the last sentence clearly shows you didnt fully understand what was taught [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] omg wow did you just say come at me bro, u best be trolling me because i have never been madder in this subforum
[QUOTE=Casusv3;28687535]you clearly dont realise how either shitty your classes are or how shitty your understanding of what was taught in those classes . muscle burning is at the most fucking extreme of extreme of extremes that you wont reach at 20 minutes. the last sentence clearly shows you didnt fully understand what was taught[/QUOTE] Muscle built improperly I should say. I didn't realize I had to be work for word with you. I'll change your diaper next time
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687550]Muscle built improperly I should say. I didn't realize I had to be work for word with you. I'll change your diaper next time[/QUOTE] what the muscle built improperly are you saying a process since animals existed is flawed in a way that makes significant amounts of improperly formed muscle
Wow man, your like the press. Of course there is not going to be a significant amounts of improperly formed muscle. And there is not always on a person who knows how to workout. It's burns it or condenses it which will make the person feel like they are getting smaller. And yea, you actually do burn muscle. That is why people take [url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cs/complete-casein.html]Casein[/url] to stop from burning muscle in your sleep because believe it or not you do BURN MUSCLE.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687614]Wow man, your like the press. Of course there is not going to be a significant amounts of improperly formed muscle. And there is not always on a person who knows how to workout. It's burns it or condenses it which will make the person feel like they are getting smaller. And yea, you actually do burn muscle. That is why people take [url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cs/complete-casein.html]Casein[/url] to stop from burning muscle in your sleep because believe it or not you do BURN MUSCLE.[/QUOTE] YOU DONT BURN MUSCLE UNLESS YOUR DIET IS SHIT ( AS IN EATING NOTHING) OR YOUR ROUTINE IS BATSHIT( WHICH IS THE SAME AS EATING NOTHING) . You dont burn muscle in your sleep, bodybuilding.com is literally bullshit there is literally a 36 ish hour grace period were no muscle will be lost from fasting ( sleep) , hell fasting can actually make you gain muscle ( if used correctly) while losing fat with NO OTHER THINGS BEING DONE.
[QUOTE=Casusv3;28687652]YOU DONT BURN MUSCLE UNLESS YOUR DIET IS SHIT ( AS IN EATING NOTHING) OR YOUR ROUTINE IS BATSHIT( WHICH IS THE SAME AS EATING NOTHING) . You dont burn muscle in your sleep, bodybuilding.com is literally bullshit there is literally a 36 ish hour grace period were no muscle will be lost from fasting ( sleep) , hell fasting can actually make you gain muscle ( if used correctly) while losing fat with NO OTHER THINGS BEING DONE.[/QUOTE] lmao ok how about you do what you do and I do what I do. Because what I've been doing works pretty well so far. You can say I'm wrong all you want but you gave me a good laugh out of all this. So [i]your[/i] right. You're never wrong.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687614]Of course there is not going to be a significant amounts of improperly formed muscle. It's burns it or condenses it which will make the person feel like they are getting smaller. [/QUOTE] thats because they burn intramuscular fat holy shit not because shitty muscle ( lmao) was made [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687718]lmao ok how about you do what you do and I do what I do. Because what I've been doing works pretty well so far. You can say I'm wrong all you want but you gave me a good laugh out of all this. So [i]your[/i] right. You're never wrong.[/QUOTE] if youre saying your doing pretty well on high reps low weight then thats cool and it does have some benefits but god damn dont act like it is the only way or even near the best way to cut
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[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687483]Your burning [I]some[/I] muscle, but your are mostly burning fat. Yes, straight fat. Anaerobic training? I'm talking about you go on the same workout as you normally do just decrease the weight and increase the reps Come at me bro[/QUOTE] Firstly, In contrast, the rate of fat oxidation is highest during moderate activity such as easy jogging (65% of VO2 max). At such an intensity, plasma free fatty acids and intramuscular triglyceride contribute equally to the overall rate of fat oxidation. During high-intensity exercise (85% of VO2 max), the rate of total fat oxidation falls, mainly because the appearance of fatty acids into the plasma is suppressed. At the same time, lipolysis of intramuscular triglycerides does not rise substantially when exercise intensity increases from 65% to 85% of VO2 max. This would not affect recreational athletes because most cannot sustain high-intensity exercise for more than 10 to 15 minutes without accumulating high (greater than 10 mM) concentrations of lactic acid in the working muscles and blood, which would cause discomfort and stop activity. So, in simple words, that study suggests that moderate (unlike what you said, which is, high intensity) is the best to go fat-burning wise. Secondly, Your knowledge is based on broscience manifested by the minds of 16 year old boys. Also, the Casein you supposedly take and think is a miracle protein, will not, in the long have any magnitude on your future muscle gains. It will be so miniscule. If you actually take it in account, it means you're not yet knowledgeable enough to tell that diet, sleep and proper routine make up 99.8% of your future appearance of the physique you wish for.
[QUOTE=Seith;28688095]Firstly, In contrast, the rate of fat oxidation is highest during moderate activity such as easy jogging (65% of VO2 max). At such an intensity, plasma free fatty acids and intramuscular triglyceride contribute equally to the overall rate of fat oxidation. During high-intensity exercise (85% of VO2 max), the rate of total fat oxidation falls, mainly because the appearance of fatty acids into the plasma is suppressed. At the same time, lipolysis of intramuscular triglycerides does not rise substantially when exercise intensity increases from 65% to 85% of VO2 max. This would not affect recreational athletes because most cannot sustain high-intensity exercise for more than 10 to 15 minutes without accumulating high (greater than 10 mM) concentrations of lactic acid in the working muscles and blood, which would cause discomfort and stop activity. So, in simple words, that study suggests that moderate (unlike what you said, which is, high intensity) is the best to go fat-burning wise. Secondly, Your knowledge is based on broscience manifested by the minds of 16 year old boys. Also, the Casein you supposedly take and think is a miracle protein, will not, in the long have any magnitude on your future muscle gains. It will be so miniscule. If you actually take it in account, it means you're not yet knowledgeable enough to tell that diet, sleep and proper routine make up 99.8% of your future appearance of the physique you wish for.[/QUOTE] Casein isn't for muscle gaining it is so the body has something to use as energy instead of burning the muscle. It is a slow synthesizing protein almost like all natural peanut butter
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28688280]Casein isn't for muscle gaining it is so the body has something to use as energy instead of burning the muscle. It is a slow synthesizing protein almost like all natural peanut butter[/QUOTE] but it doesnt work like that
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28688280]Casein isn't for muscle gaining it is so the body has something to use as energy instead of burning the muscle. It is a slow synthesizing protein almost like all natural peanut butter[/QUOTE] It's not the only benefit of the Casein. It does actually provide a higher rate of plasma immunoreactive IGF-1 concentrations. And IGF-1 stimulates systemic body growth, and has growth-promoting effects on almost every cell in the body, including [b]skeletal muscle[/b]. Also, it doesn't 'stop burning muscle' it creates a clog or gel like formation in the stomach and making it's digestion last for hours. And of course, while in those hours, provide essential amino acids. Though, the use of it is overrated. You'd be fine without it.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687301][b]no[/b] You do not use low weight to cut. You use high weight for power. Low weight and high reps will create strength [b]endurance[/b]. The whole part of cutting is to cut fat. So if you work out for 1-5 minutes, you are using the energy already stored in the muscles. 5-20 minutes you are using the energy/sugars in your blood stream that you ate throughout the day. 20+ minutes you are burning straight fat. I'm taking classes on it. If you're gonna cut it's low weight, high reps[/QUOTE] lol who works out for less than 20 minutes even on a low rep routine
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28687301][b]no[/b] You do not use low weight to cut. You use high weight for power. Low weight and high reps will create strength [b]endurance[/b]. The whole part of cutting is to cut fat. So if you work out for 1-5 minutes, you are using the energy already stored in the muscles. 5-20 minutes you are using the energy/sugars in your blood stream that you ate throughout the day. 20+ minutes you are burning straight fat. I'm taking classes on it. If you're gonna cut it's low weight, high reps[/QUOTE] when I start my cut I'll be doing lower reps than usually and with much higher weight because I'll be going for the strength mainly. u mad son? [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] endurance is pointless anyway
[QUOTE=NotMeh;28689068]when I start my cut I'll be doing lower reps than usually and with much higher weight because I'll be going for the strength mainly. u mad son? [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] endurance is pointless anyway[/QUOTE] Endurance is pointless? So you only want power in your life?
[QUOTE=Annoyed Tree;28689376]Endurance is pointless? So you only want power in your life?[/QUOTE] power = w/t aka do work son
And also I'd just like to add in the more you can lift in general the more endurance you'll have at lower weights in the first place. It's simple mathematics son
[QUOTE=NotMeh;28689068] endurance is pointless anyway[/QUOTE] Not true, bro. Endurance can be good just not for bodybuilding. [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] Also I pseudo-messed up my shoulder climbing yesterday. Shit sucks, bro. I got a new chalk bag though and it looks ~so retro~ Gonna go tennis it up in a bit. I've enjoyed this weightlifting break but I'm ready to get myself back in the gym. Srsly
[QUOTE=Binsky;28691906]Not true, bro. Endurance can be good just not for bodybuilding. [/QUOTE] That's kinda what I meant lol. it might be good for athletes and shit but useless to bbers. [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Casusv3;28689538]power = w/t aka do work son[/QUOTE] and yes i want to acquire lots of watts
Alright, you may want to clarify that next time but yeh.
[QUOTE=NotMeh;28689068] endurance is pointless anyway[/QUOTE] In general health and fitness Endurance >>>>>> strength and muscle size.
[QUOTE=Casusv3;28686597]you are grossly overestimating how many calories it burns . fyi its not alot and youd be better off doing a hrep routine( something akin to SS ) to maintain the muscle you have, also doing so much exercise can be counter productive to you fatloss/weight loss goals . high reps low weight is retarded unless you know what youre doing it for fyi you dont. cardio is better done with running ,or sprints what ever you game is , HIIT isnt exactly all its hyped up to be [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] to be honest i'm too lazy to find articles right now so why dont we look at the famous Starting Strength. Also known to almost anyone who knows ANY FUCKING THING (ie not you apparently) as one of the best routines made. Lets look at what it has. Legs: Squats , deadlift Back: Pullups,chinups,deadlift arms:Pulls and chins do almost the same thing for the arms so it really counts as one Shoulders: over head press now something that makes people become so large and strong should have 5000 fucking exercises per body part right, i guess SS is just bullshit then[/QUOTE] dude, SS is pretty much just a big fad. sure, it is a pretty good beginner workout, but unless you are a skinnyfat 110 pound midget who has never done sports, your body can tolerate a few other exercises stuck in there. SS ignores lots of key bodyparts, it is a good way to start out with the basic lifts and shit but after even a month or two you should move on. NO ONE has seen amazing results on SS compared to a similar routine but with more volume and more variation. of course, the kids that don't squat or deadlift or do bench or overhead press will have minimal results, but if you have a routine with squats, deadlifts, bench etc. and other compound movements along with isolation exercises, you will see way better results [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;28684507]made some adjustments to my plan, would love some criticism/tips fitnessbros [URL=http://img121.imageshack.us/i/bossworkoutplanujellybr.jpg/][img_thumb]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5390/bossworkoutplanujellybr.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL] (this is the basic layout, i'm always changing things around and swapping exercises for new ones) btw i try to use the gym at least 5 days a week.[/QUOTE] brah fawkin jooocy split boss workout plan, im jelly brah is that the one that I wrote? looks a lot like it, mirin make sure you do squats n shiz, but the volume looks fine, lol @ 1 exercise per bodypart looks good, make sure you switch it up every week, try and start out with the compound lifts too, like on a day when u do legs, start with squats, for a day when u do chest, start with bench, etc. etc.
I agree with VQ, SS gives barely any results at all and is only good as a very beginner split.
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;28684507]made some adjustments to my plan, would love some criticism/tips fitnessbros [URL=http://img121.imageshack.us/i/bossworkoutplanujellybr.jpg/][img_thumb]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5390/bossworkoutplanujellybr.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL] (this is the basic layout, i'm always changing things around and swapping exercises for new ones) btw i try to use the gym at least 5 days a week.[/QUOTE] what's the point of doing both barbell and dumbbell curls?
[QUOTE=NotMeh;28693633]I agree with VQ, SS gives barely any results at all and is only good as a very beginner split.[/QUOTE] You all are beginners. VQ is a beginner. Per is a beginner. You're a beginner. Your definition of who is a novice, beginner or even veteran is fucked up. SS was made with an emphasized look on compounds and gaining as much strength as possible. Which is what most people need, even after 2 years of training. So, in that respect, it's not a beginners routine. The point is, you guys haven't reached the point where you can say "[i]shit, I need to focus on biceps, because they suck[/i] or something of that sort. You haven't finished, or are even close to your genetic potenial. Placing that much focus is something you do when gaining strength is not something that feels that easy. Focusing on basic compounds and simple high-rep(8-12), moderate-heavy weights would do you good no matter what you focus on. Your growth is still at it's peak. You rush things and focus on what you don't need. I was like that, I enjoyed it, yet I'm back to the basics because there's no need, even for me. If you really insist, then switching from SS to Texas Method or 5/3/1 would be a good choice. It's something that works. [editline]19th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=sp00ks;28694012]what's the point of doing both barbell and dumbbell curls?[/QUOTE] He's just trying to attack the muscle from every direction. Doing as much as possible. In his current status, he could have done basically the same with half the amount of volume, even 80% and focus more on strength. There is no need for that amount of volume in his level. Rubbing his balls would create enough hGH for him to grow. As a suggestion, read what I wrote above.
It's hard out there for an ectomorph. I'm close to 17 years old, and much too skinny for my liking. I'm 5'11 and about 140 pounds. The only real definition I have is at my abs (which is, itself, only because of the naturally low bodyfat I was blessed with). I also don't have a license because I'm a fool, so I can't get to a gym. But I'm looking to build muscle, and more than anything, get defined. Any advice?
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