• Diablo 1 in Diablo 3
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D2 was way better than D3 - and Path Of Exile shits all over D3 completely.
I feel like i'm the only person in the world that loved D3 start to finish. And i don't much care about PoE.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;51623054]I feel like i'm the only person in the world that loved D3 start to finish. And i don't much care about PoE.[/QUOTE] I don't like POE but d3 is nothing compared to d2. The combat is really the only good thing about it.
Poe's art style would of suited D3 better. I also couldn't get along with D3's skill system, felt very clunky. Besides it doesn't matter if you feel you're the only one that cares for it, we're all entitled to our opinions
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;51623054]I feel like i'm the only person in the world that loved D3 start to finish. And i don't much care about PoE.[/QUOTE] I think I last played it near the end of beta, but I remember it taking forever before you actually got to the real interesting customization, and the 'gamefeel' did not carry it to that point at all. Everything just felt and looked stiff and lifeless. This has probably changed since then, but the maps just felt too big and aimless as well. My favorite map was the cliffside one just becauseit felt more focused.
Honestly I hope they make that filter and those skippy animations a permanent optional feature you can toggle. It does look pretty cool Also, D3 sucked. It just did. It's too colorful, the story is meh, you had to play the campaign which was ALL there was to play multiple times per character before you could hit max level, then you had to exit the game and pick a quest to linearly complete, again and again and again to MAYBE loot something you could sell on the Auction House so that you could buy something you'd need. MAYBE. So you could actually complete the next act of Inferno. It's a game where half the fun is looting and improving your character except the Auction House was what they built the loot system around so it was about as rewarding as contracting HIV Fuckin' boring But once RoS came out and the Loot 2.0 system was put in, and they closed that auction house crap, my god is it a totally different game and every bit for the better. I still wish it was as atmospheric and grimy as Path of Exile, but it's still a lot of fun now. Every time you play, when you log out you've improved your character in some way, there's always a sense of some accomplishment and no more stagnation
[QUOTE=Lurker;51622376]That track is sweet, but I liked this one better in Diablo 1 -caves music- Also i think that Diablo 1 is way harder than Diablo 2 due to the game mechanics. Diablo 1 is a fun game and should be played before Diablo 2 in my opinion.[/QUOTE] I always liked this track the best [video=youtube;jrK90XJfqRs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrK90XJfqRs[/video] It's such a weird and foreboding use of a guitar, laughs and chants and it's so atmospheric [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51621282]so it's basically a retro pixel filter eh? Hey I'm gonna take this chance to ask I never played Diablo but I was always curious about it growing up so when I do should I play diablo 1 or 2 first[/QUOTE] Play diablo 1 first, maybe with the HD mod if you want it to be more streamlined and modern, a lot of people seem to be saying the opposite but I don't think you'll regret it at all, while if you start with D2 it'll be a lot harder to get your foot in the door if you want to still experience D1.
What's the point of remaking the game with all this new technology and assets if you're just going to make it look artificially worse by adding your stupid pixellated filter and fucking up the animations?
I loved diablo 1 and and diablo 2. Though I played diablo 1 more then 2 for some reason. As a big fan of diablo 1 it really upsets me that they won't remaster diablo 1. Also why are they talking about how long this took when it clearly looks like something that a modder could have made in like a day or 3 days tops.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;51624003]What's the point of remaking the game with all this new technology and assets if you're just going to make it look artificially worse by adding your stupid pixellated filter and fucking up the animations?[/QUOTE] It's not a remake. It's a rift event of pre-existing Diablo 3 assets with old D1 music, a few reskinned enemies (like the Butcher and Diablo along with other certain types)), an audio tweak for more repetition, and a pixelated filter and animation tweak to make it seem more old-school. It's just a throwback event for the sake of the 20th anniversary rather than anything comparable to a genuine remake.
This is what happens when a game community creates hype rumors of a remake for months, then gets butthurt and lashes out when they don't get what they wanted, really, I've seen so many videos or threads on the D3 reddit about people saying how mad they're at blizz for making this event and not remaking Diablo 1 in HD.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;51624685]It's not a remake. It's a rift event of pre-existing Diablo 3 assets with old D1 music, a few reskinned enemies (like the Butcher and Diablo along with other certain types)), an audio tweak for more repetition, and a pixelated filter and animation tweak to make it seem more old-school. It's just a throwback event for the sake of the 20th anniversary rather than anything comparable to a genuine remake.[/QUOTE] They said the remade all of D1's levels. I mean if you've gone that far, you might as well go an extra mile and actually do it right.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;51625581]They said the remade all of D1's levels. I mean if you've gone that far, you might as well go an extra mile and actually do it right.[/QUOTE] They just made sixteen floors to correspond to the fact that Diablo 1's dungeon had sixteen floors. They didn't actually remake the levels (not that they could given the roguelite elements D1 had, random environment / dungeon generation included), they're just generic D3 dungeon and corridor areas with reused pieces and assets that don't really fit to the original anyway. It's a dime-a-dozen generic dungeon compared to the rest of the game's content, and most player's pre-existing characters would bend it over their knee effortlessly. Even the unique items the event gets you are paltry compared to most items D3 already has, and the reward for finishing the event is a giant D1 ending reference via a head-mounted gemstone. Except it occasionally stuns you for thematic purposes, and gives a damage bonus that would be nice for a new character on a basic difficulty but is worthless to anything past that. [editline]5th January 2017[/editline] It's a love letter down nostalgia lane for classic Diablo fans given the references it has and all, but as an actual piece of game content, it's just more Diablo 3 with a filter ontop trying to pretend it's like Diablo 1 without much effort put into the part. And Diablo 3 kinda sucks, so..
I played through this last night and had fun with it. Maybe its because I don't play D3 that often, but it was enough for me. Of course I would have liked more effort put into it and had the levels look closer to the actual D1 levels, but it was still entertaining. To people saying that D3 sucks - have you played since they vastly improved the loot system and got rid of the auction house? The game got a lot more fun. I grew up on D1 and D2 but don't understand why people still shit all over D3 so much.
[QUOTE=Hanso;51626728]I played through this last night and had fun with it. Maybe its because I don't play D3 that often, but it was enough for me. Of course I would have liked more effort put into it and had the levels look closer to the actual D1 levels, but it was still entertaining. To people saying that D3 sucks - have you played since they vastly improved the loot system and got rid of the auction house? The game got a lot more fun. I grew up on D1 and D2 but don't understand why people still shit all over D3 so much.[/QUOTE] its still nothing but a crap gear treadmill that forces you into one of 4-5 builds per class (unless you want to be extremely inefficient) Probably 70-80% of legendaries are still worthless, all they do to buff things is increase the dps by massive amounts. It isn't a terrible game, but it has nowhere near the staying power that D2 has, especially when you look at places like reddit and you find more people playing the d2 season compared to the D3 one. Not to mention they obviously haven't done anything with their completely awful story, which is really half the game by itself, at least in D2.
[QUOTE=Naught;51626779]especially when you look at places like reddit and you find more people playing the d2 season compared to the D3 one..[/QUOTE] Wait, is this true? That's pretty embarrassing :v:
[QUOTE=Naught;51626779] Not to mention they obviously haven't done anything with their completely awful story, which is really half the game by itself, at least in D2.[/QUOTE] The story in Diablo 2 is nowhere near half the appeal of the game.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;51627896]The story in Diablo 2 is nowhere near half the appeal of the game.[/QUOTE] its not, but if d2 had d3's story, it would be a shell, because people wouldn't replay it nearly as much as they do. In d3 no one plays the story, everyone does adventure mode. Which just turns the game into >level to 70 via rifts, and then do rifts/greater rifts on the gear treadmill, instead of D2 where you actually go through and enjoy the story and the atmosphere.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;51623054]I feel like i'm the only person in the world that loved D3 start to finish. And i don't much care about PoE.[/QUOTE] I enjoyed D3 and especially Reaper of Souls. I've tried on several occasions to pick up POE but it never sticks. The farthest I've made it is the end of Act 2. [editline]5th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Naught;51626779]its still nothing but a crap gear treadmill [/QUOTE] Isn't the entire genre a gear treadmill :v:?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51628012]I enjoyed D3 and especially Reaper of Souls. I've tried on several occasions to pick up POE but it never sticks. The farthest I've made it is the end of Act 2. [editline]5th January 2017[/editline] Isn't the entire genre a gear treadmill :v:?[/QUOTE] I got all the way to Dominus, the final boss, by myself and it threw him in addition to like four other strong enemies at me and i pretty much stopped playing right then and there. Wasn't too invested in it anyway but that was kinda ridiculous and i bailed. Maybe some day i'll finish it.
The problem I had with D3's story isn't even that it was bad, if it were just bad I'd have been able to ignore it, but the fact of the matter is that the game takes such a different tack to its story than D2 that the fact of the matter is that you [i]can't[/i] ignore it. In D2, all your objectives were just quests that usually involved getting this or that thing out in the world, eventually culminating in the interesting plot things near the end of the act. In D3, every single area is a shunt through scripted events that rub the plot in your face. D2's story wasn't the main draw, and it wasn't [i]that[/i] great besides having amazing atmosphere and theming, but at least it didn't get so repetitive that I just plain didn't want to play through the higher difficulty levels.
[QUOTE=Naught;51627998]its not, but if d2 had d3's story, it would be a shell, because people wouldn't replay it nearly as much as they do. In d3 no one plays the story, everyone does adventure mode. Which just turns the game into >level to 70 via rifts, and then do rifts/greater rifts on the gear treadmill, instead of D2 where you actually go through and enjoy the story and the atmosphere.[/QUOTE] What are you smoking?? Did you actually play Diablo 2? If I made a pie chart of time players spent enjoy the atmosphere and story of Diablo 2 since its release versus teleporting all over the Durance of hate or instagibbing each other with bullshit builds outside the Rogue Encampment, it'd look like a clock at noon.
Diablo 2 had decent story and atmosphere, but Diablo 2 codified the "Slaughter things for loot in the same place forever" genre.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;51624685]It's not a remake. It's a rift event of pre-existing Diablo 3 assets with old D1 music, a few reskinned enemies (like the Butcher and Diablo along with other certain types)), an audio tweak for more repetition, and a pixelated filter and animation tweak to make it seem more old-school. It's just a throwback event for the sake of the 20th anniversary rather than anything comparable to a genuine remake.[/QUOTE] Well they also added the books from things like the Halls of the Blind.
At least there's plenty of good spiritual successors, like HoS, and Grim Dawn, and Victor Vran, and Torchlight
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;51633439]At least there's plenty of good spiritual successors, like HoS, and Grim Dawn, and Victor Vran, and Torchlight[/QUOTE] Emphasis on "good." I always feel like the Hack n' Loot genre has always been among the more stagnant ones since Diablo 2. Though, and I've gone on this rant before, but as one of the few people to appreciate or even play this game, I think Darkspore is probably my favorite game in the genre since Diablo 2. Thought it was fatally flawed, it did some things much better than anything before or since. While MOBA-esque heros system made for relatively limited build customization, the focus allowed for some amazingly fun and synergistic skills. The enemy design was also amazing. Like, you know you got to take the shaman out because he rezzes things and watch out of the lightning beetles, but nearly every enemy in Darkspore needed the same tactical consideration. Some enemies greatly boosted the damage of others, some enemies would do more damage the longer they were left alive, some innately had that fire chains affix, and so on.
[QUOTE=Naught;51627998]its not, but if d2 had d3's story, it would be a shell, because people wouldn't replay it nearly as much as they do. In d3 no one plays the story, everyone does adventure mode. Which just turns the game into >level to 70 via rifts, and then do rifts/greater rifts on the gear treadmill, instead of D2 where you actually go through and enjoy the story and the atmosphere.[/QUOTE] That's because the story wasn't great to begin with, and we all had to do it 3+ times PER CHARACTER just to hit max level. And then on top of that we had to play through many many many of the individual chapters just to grind for loot. God it was an awful time. Adventure Mode saved D3. It turned it into a rewarding looter But if it's not your thing, Torchlight 2 and Path of Exile are both exceptional alternatives that will scratch the Diablo itch
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51634713]That's because the story wasn't great to begin with, and we all had to do it 3+ times PER CHARACTER just to hit max level. And then on top of that we had to play through many many many of the individual chapters just to grind for loot. God it was an awful time. Adventure Mode saved D3. It turned it into a rewarding looter But if it's not your thing, Torchlight 2 and Path of Exile are both exceptional alternatives that will scratch the Diablo itch[/QUOTE] Torchlight 2 is awesome if you want a more lighthearted game, while Path of Exile has to be played with friends or else the dark story and atmosphere makes you want to kill yourself. A good balance!
For some reason Torchlight 2 just bored me out of my skull.
I haven't tried Torchlight 2, Grim Dawn and whatever else, but PoE and Diablo 3 feel too slow for me I'm used to the D2 pace, which is quick but not overly exagerated (like Median XL), so they really felt too slow and bored me
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