Charlie Brooker Teaches John Snow About Video Games
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[QUOTE=Coffee;43019746]Have you eve seen John Snow do an interview or anything before? It's his style to play devils advocate.[/QUOTE]
It would be nice if he could truthfully say that he used to played video games and had to stop because they turned him into a violent man though.
[QUOTE=onebit;43019929]I don't think kids are stupid, their intelligence lays elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
You mean imagination? Sure, kids are very imaginative but I don't think it's to the point where they feel they're legitimately killing people when they blow up a virtual lego car.
I also find it really fucking irritating how you criticize people in this thread for not being able to "feel". What the fuck does that even mean? Just because they don't think games make them feel like murderers doesn't mean they lack empathy altogether. That's ridiculously absurd and you fucking know it.
[QUOTE=onebit;43020069]No, read my posts.[/QUOTE]
I read your posts. They're stupid.
[QUOTE=onebit;43018547]Sympathize with this.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TGRjEVA.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
My avatar is in no distress and needs no sympathy. What are you even saying? What's this got to do with video games?
Onebit is delusional.
[QUOTE=onebit;43020556]Doesn't matter what it needs. Just feel sympathy for it. Imagine it's yourself. I think that's what kids do.[/QUOTE]
P. Present evidence
R. Rationally explain
O. Observe reactions
V. Verify reactions
E. End conversation
I. Intelligently discus
T. Tactfully debate
[QUOTE=Livewire2440;43019505]I was begging for Brooker to make an analogy to movies the entire time to put it into perspective but he didnt argh.[/QUOTE]
He didn't because he knew that Jon would reply by saying that in movies, while you watch the act, you don't commit to it.
Jon thinks that the difference between violence in movie, in which you have no choice and in games, where you deliberately choose to commit to act of violence is large enough to justify his concerns.
[QUOTE=onebit;43020556]Doesn't matter what it needs. Just feel sympathy for it. Imagine it's yourself. I think that's what kids do.[/QUOTE]
That's your "proof"? You "think that's what kids do"? In that case I've got proof you're chatting rubbish because I think that's what you do.
[QUOTE=Coffee;43019746]Have you eve seen John Snow do an interview or anything before? It's his style to play devils advocate.[/QUOTE]
A devil's advocate doesn't interrupt and stop you from making points. A devil's advocate argues against your points regardless of whether or not he agrees.
[QUOTE=onebit;43016412]You just have to remember.[/QUOTE]
I don't have to issue sources or prove things you just have to know it mate. I mean I read a couple of articles and I think i understood them but I forgot to save the link so you're just gonna have to take my word for it because I remember it and you don't. Guys, I swear I'm smart.
I feel like if video games actually had enough of an effect to be harmful, it would've been proven by this point, and they would've already been banned. It's like you get one person (who's most likely screwed up in the head already) being fucked up for every gazillion people who aren't adversely affected, just like any media.
[QUOTE=Memobot;43015978]Tomorrow evening Charlie Brooker has a show called 'How Videogames Changed The World' on Channel 4.[/QUOTE]
This is on now, btw.
[editline]30th November 2013[/editline]
And Indie Game: The Movie is after it.
[QUOTE=onebit;43015998]For a child there is no difference between you or a dog or an animated character. They read expressions like we read words. You just forgot how to read. :)[/QUOTE]
That's not true at all, I really hope you know that. I'm not basing this off of my personal experience either. Every single study ever conducted to uncover a correlation between children (and adults) and their experiences with violence while playing video games were conducted incorrectly.
There have been thousands upon thousands of studies all set to find the same correlation, but [I]nobody[/I] but those performing the study and the subjects involved know what games are being played, what is being measured, and how whatever is being measured is actually being measured. If a group of psychologists who've never played games before are simply looking at how many times each subject throws their controller on the floor when playing a competitive game like Call of Duty, and then call that a "violent outburst", and a majority of subjects did this, they will claim that each and every one of them is prone to aggression.
Call of Duty is bullshit to begin with and throwing the controller on the ground over something stupid is not a violent outburst. It only means the subject(s) in question are prone to aggression when faced with similar circumstances, circumstances which they will only ever experience while playing a game like Call of Duty.
So many of these studies have sample sizes that are far too small and/or far too longitudinal. There will be [I]no[/I] way to accurately determine the connection between aggression and violent video games. [I]Ever.[/I] Everybody is different, and the reason so many different games exist is to cater to personal preference. Studying someone with a preference for one game but making them play something they already hate is going to yield the same result each and every time.
As for children being unable to tell the difference between an animated character and their dog, I think you're a moron and are really dumb for saying that. Any human being, child or not, can tell the difference between their dog and an animated character on the TV screen that they happen to be interacting with on some level by means of a controller. The only ones who can't either have a mental disorder or are really just that dumb.
[QUOTE=onebit;43020556]Doesn't matter what it needs. Just feel sympathy for it. Imagine it's yourself. I think that's what kids do.[/QUOTE]
Well, that isn't what kids do. That isn't what anybody does. A person can only sympathize with who and what he or she knows. Children sympathize the exact same way. They sympathize with fictional characters in the same exact way that adults do.
What were you even expecting? You can't tell someone to sympathize with something that clearly holds no emotional/sentimental value. That isn't how sympathy works. Sympathy works with objects, artistic creations, and music. It really works with anything and everything, but only if there is some kind of emotional value present.
[QUOTE=onebit;43029634]I didn't write about how violent games affect people so
No, preconceptions affect empathy. Children have no preconceptions until they are created.
And you control that value. Kids are more open towards new things, so they create emotional bonds with anything positive and friendly.[/QUOTE]
And your evidence that any of this is true is...?
[QUOTE=onebit;43029988]Experience.[/QUOTE]
So nothing then.
"MAN'S PITIFUL LIFE EXPERIENCE PROVES VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES ARE BAD"
[QUOTE=onebit;43030044]I love you. Enjoy life and eat vegetables. Don't sit in front of the computer all day and make sure you achieve something every day, even if it's just a minuscule thing.[/QUOTE]
I'm noticing a trend here of how whenever you realize that you've talked yourself into a corner and have no legitimate points to argue with you try to play it off by saying something completely unrelated to anything.
[QUOTE=onebit;43030269]I can't open your mind if you don't let me, so I resort to good advice. Giving love is all I can do.[/QUOTE]
Honestly if you don't have any evidence to back up your claims other than "NO YOU'RE JUST IGNORANT!!!!!!!!" just stop posting. You're just making yourself look like a creepy weirdo.
[QUOTE=onebit;43030306]I will never stop. Spreading love and knowledge is my first priority.[/QUOTE]
Then how about you actually provide some knowledge instead of just saying "I think things work this way because I sort of remember it being like that. What? You want some actual proof that what I'm saying has any validity? Uhm... Uh... I love you!!!!!"
I think onebit is actually Jaden Smith...?
[QUOTE=onebit;43030306]I will never stop. Spreading love and knowledge is my first priority.[/QUOTE]
This is how I view you.
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[QUOTE=onebit;43030044]I love you. Enjoy life and eat vegetables. Don't sit in front of the computer all day and make sure you achieve something every day, even if it's just a minuscule thing.
[editline]1st December 2013[/editline]
Nothing is good, nor bad.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=onebit;43030269]I can't open your mind if you don't let me, so I resort to good advice. Giving love is all I can do if you don't collapse the wall.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=onebit;43030306]I will never stop. Spreading love and knowledge is my first priority.[/QUOTE]
All this cryptic bullshit has made me pretty sure onebit is trolling.
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Or he never really cared about his original point to begin with.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;43011094]Holy fuck Jon Snow is absolutely hellbent on saying 'GAMES CAUSE VIOLENCE NO WOMEN PLAY THEM BAD FOR MANKIND SERVE NO PURPOSE BAN BAN BAN' and made himself look like a complete and utter tit in the process[/QUOTE]
In his defence though he's old and confused by the whole ordeal, he couldn't even differentiate between a cutscene and the actual game.
[QUOTE=onebit;43015192]I agree with John on two points
and[/QUOTE]
I played violent videogames all through out my childhood. These games included DOOM II, Duke Nukem 3D and Quake. I was actually one of the most calmest people at school and the ones that didn't play video games where the ones starting the fights and they were the ones who had the tempers. If you actually feel like you're killing a real person when you're playing a shooter then you have a problem, not the kids or us.
Onebit, you're trying to be the next Ghandi, but you're coming off like Jim Jones.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43016296]The fact that both Charlie Brooker and Dara O'briain love videogames is the best thing[/QUOTE]
I dunno about Dara but Charlie Brooker started off as a games journalist. Worked for PC Zone iirc?
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43036796]I played violent videogames all through out my childhood. These games included DOOM II, Duke Nukem 3D and Quake. I was actually one of the most calmest people at school and the ones that didn't play video games where the ones starting the fights and they were the ones who had the tempers. If you actually feel like you're killing a real person when you're playing a shooter then you have a problem, not the kids or us.[/QUOTE]
I get what you're trying to do man, but anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, you may have been the calmest motherfucker at school, but in any real debate about this subject that's pretty meaningless, as for every one of you, there could be 20 guys punching women and jacking boats.
But believing the media in general makes us more violent is still incredibly asinine. Kids develop a sense of self, and can differentiate between what they are experiencing, and what others are experiencing from a extremely young age. A kid isn't going to believe that the guy on screen is them, they are unlikely to sympathize with them as much as people like to think. There's plenty of research in these areas, and it's all totally applicable to "do video games make us violent", but people keep forgetting that for some reason.
[QUOTE=onebit;43037166]Stop comparing people. It's unhealthy.[/QUOTE]
Coming from the guy who thinks he's murdering people when he plays Lego.
[QUOTE=onebit;43037191]I am.[/QUOTE]
Wait, what? You are murdering people when you play Lego?
[QUOTE=onebit;43037210]Would you define damaging a sentient being as hurting it?[/QUOTE]
OK, man if you think Lego's are sentient then you have a problem. AI's in games are not sentient either so don't start that.
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