Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

I could've bought one of those, but I didn't want to spend $400 on it. Tell us how it performs.

SBR I think. The folding stock rules it out as a pistol.

Some of the pistol PPS's have the stock welded in place so it can't be an SBR. Sort of how the old Vepr shotguns came into the country with folding stocks that were welded on the hinge to prevent it from folding. Get's it through importation issues and easier to import that way. This is why IWI has not released an ACE rifle in the US yet. It's easier for them to import the Ace pistols and sell those first than to import the rifle. Fewer restrictions on pistols.

yea the stocks welded, but it can easily be replaced with a kit, you just have to file out SBR paperwork, but the only thing that makes it a pistol is that folded stock being welded

[QUOTE=download;50198293]SBR I think. The folding stock rules it out as a pistol.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure most PPS pistols have folding stocks, they're welded in the closed position with a single little bead. Easy to defeat if you want to SBR it. legally, of course.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50198269]so is that a """pistol""" or sbr?[/QUOTE] definitely under the """pistol""" category... according to the ATF [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50198318]I'm pretty sure most PPS pistols have folding stocks, they're welded in the closed position with a single little bead. Easy to defeat if you want to SBR it. legally, of course.[/QUOTE] yea single bead on mine, the weld is trash imo, whomever welded it, put the stick to close to the surface when they welded it. the stock still has some give if you try to unfold it

Going to SBR it?

I kind of want one now since I own another gun that takes the same ammo but I have enough trouble feeding that one. Not easy to find 7.62/7.63x25 locally.

[QUOTE=cheesecurls;50198150]just picked up a PPS-43c yesterday, decided to show it off with the Nagant revolver and other Russian things [t]http://www.wduwant.com/index_uploads/uploads/cb1d24d5247f.PNG[/t] cant wait to hit the range[/QUOTE] Remember, don't cut the welded stock [sp]Cut the welded stock. Do it.[/sp] [editline]25th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50198269]so is that a """pistol""" or sbr?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=download;50198293]SBR I think. The folding stock rules it out as a pistol.[/QUOTE] Pistol. America PPs-43C's have the folding stock welded to the receiver so it cannot be unfolded.

[QUOTE=jgerm529;50198011]Woohoo! I just picked up an Arsenal SLR 107FR yesterday. I can't wait to shoot it. Also they have an SVT-40 for $1300.00 and a DPMS AR in 308 for $1000 are either worth picking up? The AR comes with 5 magazines and has all MagPul furniture on it.[/QUOTE] Whats the condition on the SVT-40? I bought an SVT-40 like 5 years ago for $700 and last year got a offer on it for $2,500. Mines in near perfect condition though, just missing a matched magazine. As long as the thing isn't completely broken, I say do it because we probably won't ever see cheap SVT-40's any time soon.

What the hell happened to vz58s? They were like $400 for a long time and suddenly the lowest you can find is $1000. Is this because people realized they aren't just dinky AK knockoffs and started actually buying them?

Probably

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50198700]What the hell happened to vz58s? They were like $400 for a long time and suddenly the lowest you can find is $1000. Is this because people realized they aren't just dinky AK knockoffs and started actually buying them?[/QUOTE] that and Cent arms came out with the Vz2008 or whatever and jacked the price up on them.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50198662]Whats the condition on the SVT-40? I bought an SVT-40 like 5 years ago for $700 and last year got a offer on it for $2,500. Mines in near perfect condition though, just missing a matched magazine. As long as the thing isn't completely broken, I say do it because we probably won't ever see cheap SVT-40's any time soon.[/QUOTE] It's in pretty good condition aside from some minor knicks here and there but the finish and everything is great. The only thing I forgot to check is if it had matching serials or not.

[QUOTE=jgerm529;50198970]It's in pretty good condition aside from some minor knicks here and there but the finish and everything is great. The only thing I forgot to check is if it had matching serials or not.[/QUOTE] I would go ahead and pick it up if you have the cash. Shoot commercial ammo through it though. The typical Russian or Bulgarian surplus is fine but corrosive salts and all.

I don't think non-matching does much damage to the value of an SVT40 in the US, as long as the rifle still functions.

A company's been trying to get the RCMP to classify the PPS-43 for 3 years hoping to get it classified as a pistol. The reason is Canada has a "once a pistol, always a pistol" law, meaning if it gets classed as a pistol it can have a 10 round mag instead of a 5 round, and we can then import models with the folding stock working because it's still a pistol. Though if they inspect a model with a functioning stock it will certainly become a rifle based on the classification of the Skorpion Vz61 as a rifle. [editline]25th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=jgerm529;50198970]It's in pretty good condition aside from some minor knicks here and there but the finish and everything is great. The only thing I forgot to check is if it had matching serials or not.[/QUOTE] The mag never matches, so if that's the only off number then it's fine.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;50198301]Some of the pistol PPS's have the stock welded in place so it can't be an SBR. Sort of how the old Vepr shotguns came into the country with folding stocks that were welded on the hinge to prevent it from folding. Get's it through importation issues and easier to import that way. This is why IWI has not released an ACE rifle in the US yet. It's easier for them to import the Ace pistols and sell those first than to import the rifle. Fewer restrictions on pistols.[/QUOTE] CZ gets the BREN carbines in by sending them as pistols then putting an American made barrel and other 922r compliant parts in it.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50200369]CZ gets the BREN carbines in by sending them as pistols then putting an American made barrel and other 922r compliant parts in it.[/QUOTE] True, but IWI doesn't have a factory operation out in the states as far as I know.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;50200447]True, but IWI doesn't have a factory operation out in the states as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Didn't they just open one to make the US Tavors since they couldn't export those from Israel due to 922r?

[QUOTE=download;50198338]Going to SBR it?[/QUOTE] its a possibility.. i prob will eventually

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50198700]What the hell happened to vz58s? They were like $400 for a long time and suddenly the lowest you can find is $1000. Is this because people realized they aren't just dinky AK knockoffs and started actually buying them?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-czech-vz58-7-62x39mm-rife-detail.html[/url] ???

[QUOTE=mastermaul;50204099][url]http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-czech-vz58-7-62x39mm-rife-detail.html[/url] ???[/QUOTE] Huh, I checked with Atlantic a while ago and it seemed like they didn't have these anymore. Thanks.

Unfortunately when Century makes a clone of a well known gun, 9 times out of ten, it's going to use parts that aren't compatible with the original. Search for threads on the UC9(Uzi clone) and the VZ58(CZ2008 clone).

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50204716]man, i fucking loathe the vz58 folding stocks..[/QUOTE] These replacements look and work so much better: [t]http://www.sa58.cz/img/illustration.jpg[/t] [t]http://files.sa58.cz/200013925-4739648333/P1060488_1.jpg[/t]

What we need is an importer to bring in a bunch of WWII guns from Russia. Bolt Actions and semi-auto pistols can still be brought in from there (hence why we could get mosins but not svt's). I've heard stories of salt mines full of German captured weapons and equipment, I want to believe.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50212558]What we need is an importer to bring in a bunch of WWII guns from Russia. Bolt Actions and semi-auto pistols can still be brought in from there (hence why we could get mosins but not svt's). I've heard stories of salt mines full of German captured weapons and equipment, I want to believe.[/QUOTE] A Canadian importer did a piece in Calibre magazine about exporting guns from the Ukraine. There is literally a salt mine under a shack that they keep stockpiles of guns in.

Salt mines are not a good place to keep antique steel :( I think all the import restrictions would prevent them from bringing in anything you can't already find here and they'd probably price them just below retail so I wouldn't dream of cheap P-38s and shit. It'd be neat, but don't hold your breath. If the ATF wasn't so fucking anti it'd be super easy to get mega historic guns imported before they're destroyed in other countries. But they have zero sympathy even for rare antiques.

The RC P-38s we got up here a year or so ago were still priced at like $600. The RC K98s are at $650 now. What I want is someone to get an RC G41/K43 in. Those'd sell easy as long as they're below the $4000 people ask for the regular ones.

For antiques it should be legal to convert open bolts to semi auto without them being considered machine guns. Imagine: real MP-40s, MG-42s, StG-44s, Stens, Grease Guns, etc. on the civilian market without being butchered for closed bolt operation. I would vote for Trump if he promised to make this happen. :v: