Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

Probably was a spent tube. Not worth $300

[QUOTE=Xeimos;50239619]Yo so, what'd be a moderately priced powerful revolver? I've wanted one for ages, and I just really don't know where to start lol.[/QUOTE] Ruger GP100 in .357 Magnum ($600 on Bud's) or a Ruger Super Redhawk in .44 Magnum ($850 on Bud's) Accept no substitute.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;50239963]Probably was a spent tube. Not worth $300[/QUOTE] That's why I didn't get it. Still drooled a bit.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50239679]Well without breaking the bank or getting a piece of shit the EAA windicators in .357 are pretty solid.[/QUOTE] I have one, I like it a lot, got it for about $300, would like to get a ruger security six though, wood grips are awesome. Also know where you can get aftermarket wood grip for it?

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50235648]The Tokarev I shot was decently accurate. I'd feel confident that I could hit the bad guy with it. I'd carry it instead of a slingshot. As for "retarded guns" like the C96 - it is, hands down, the most reliable semi-auto I own (to include the rifles) - it's never experienced a malfunction, loads quick and handles well despite looking kinda weird. It's got good sights and is dead accurate, plus can be fitted with a shoulder stock that fits neatly into my backpack. Other than it being old - which doesn't affect its superb performance - there's nothing wrong with it at all other than maybe its length, but underarm carry is fine for me. Ultimately a gun is a gun and I'm going to default to what I'm good with. My current carry options are my C96, my 1911, my single action army and a cap and ball Colt. I don't carry right now because I don't want to have to use the C96 and get it confiscated, but otherwise I would. The other options are no bueno for carry. I don't care for a lot of modern carry pistols because nearly every one I've played with so far has had some kind of issue or niggle that's put me off from it.[/QUOTE] Currently, the most reliable rifle I own is my K98k, but I wouldn't carry that into combat on it's reliability alone. I've been over this more than once but I'll just say I find it absolutely astounding that a person would advocate carrying a C96 or a Tokarev or any surplus military pistol when there are modern alternatives that are far superior in literally every regard. I am all for buying firearms purely on their historical value, I only own 2 modern firearms currently, but advocating a surplus or historical firearm for self defense use isn't only stupid, but it's reckless. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Xeimos;50239619]Yo so, what'd be a moderately priced powerful revolver? I've wanted one for ages, and I just really don't know where to start lol.[/QUOTE] Ruger makes good revolvers at a decent price and you can find loads of used ones and older models for even cheaper. You can find old 38spcl police revolvers in the $250-300 range usually. Buds gunshop used to have a bunch of police trade ins they sold for about that much, not sure if they still have any.

Buds is expensive usually even for older model guns.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50240637]Currently, the most reliable rifle I own is my K98k, but I wouldn't carry that into combat on it's reliability alone. I've been over this more than once but I'll just say I find it absolutely astounding that a person would advocate carrying a C96 or a Tokarev or any surplus military pistol when there are modern alternatives that are far superior in literally every regard. I am all for buying firearms purely on their historical value, I only own 2 modern firearms currently, but advocating a surplus or historical firearm for self defense use isn't only stupid, but it's reckless. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] Ruger makes good revolvers at a decent price and you can find loads of used ones and older models for even cheaper. You can find old 38spcl police revolvers in the $250-300 range usually. Buds gunshop used to have a bunch of police trade ins they sold for about that much, not sure if they still have any.[/QUOTE] I think he means more, a gun is better than no gun, and it's at his disposal and he's familiar with it, therefore it can still be a form of self defense. No one is advocating that those are top of the line defense weapons, just that in the event, they could very well put down a man or two given the right situation.

[QUOTE=zach1193;50240737]I think he means more, a gun is better than no gun, and it's at his disposal and he's familiar with it, therefore it can still be a form of self defense. No one is advocating that those are top of the line defense weapons, just that in the event, they could very well put down a man or two given the right situation.[/QUOTE] Fair enough but if you're in the need of a firearm for self defense purposes and you spend the money on ancient piece of bolshevik trash or a 100 year old German pistol, then you're reckless and foolish. My point stands.

And today I realized I could get a Nagant revolver for 99 bucks.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;50240947]And today I realized I could get a Nagant revolver for 99 bucks.[/QUOTE] Save and get something better than that.

[QUOTE=butre;50239753]was probably a trainer [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=linZrCRS3t0[/media][/QUOTE] Shit, I saw those in Basic. We never got to fire them though, 'cause we were pogs and our Drill Sergeants hated us. Looking back, I can't blame them. At least 70% of the company had to be retarded or some shit.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50242103]Save and get something better than that.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure you can go wrong with a revolver for $99

[QUOTE=download;50242248]I'm not sure you can go wrong with a revolver for $99[/QUOTE] The ammo is expensive. You can get something better for $200

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50242155]Shit, I saw those in Basic. We never got to fire them though, 'cause we were pogs and our Drill Sergeants hated us. Looking back, I can't blame them. At least 70% of the company had to be retarded or some shit.[/QUOTE] I trained with one of these 9mm kits while in basic training. It was a decent way of learnig how to aim the weapon system. Only the two or three best shots in the company did get to fire a live AT4. Unfortunately, I wasn't one of them, as that would have been one hell of an experience.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50240657]Buds is expensive usually even for older model guns.[/QUOTE] what Bud's Gun Shop has the lowest prices online for guns. I've compared their price to the warehouse price given to gun stores and they're usually at a tiny margin. Where are you getting this "They're expensive" [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pilot1215;50240947]And today I realized I could get a Nagant revolver for 99 bucks.[/QUOTE] Yeah but don't [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=download;50242248]I'm not sure you can go wrong with a revolver for $99[/QUOTE] Pros: -$99 -Can suppress a revolver Cons: -Expensive proprietary ammo that works in nothing else -Single-action only style of spent case extraction, cylinder does not swing out -Cases fire-form to cylinder with the fury of Thor, have to be hammered out -15lb+ trigger pull in double action -5lb+ trigger pull in single action (+10lb hammer) -Rounds are always subsonic -Less energy than .380ACP Just don't

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;50240947]And today I realized I could get a Nagant revolver for 99 bucks.[/QUOTE] Do it. The days of $99 Nagants are long gone, so if you see one for that price that still functions, buy it. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50242819] Pros: -$99 -Can suppress a revolver Cons: -Expensive proprietary ammo that works in nothing else -Single-action only style of spent case extraction, cylinder does not swing out -Cases fire-form to cylinder with the fury of Thor, have to be hammered out -15lb+ trigger pull in double action -5lb+ trigger pull in single action (+10lb hammer) -Rounds are always subsonic -Less energy than .380ACP Just don't[/QUOTE] I doubt he would use the handgun for sport shooting or to conceal carry. It's no different than an actual mosin; It's fun to shoot and thats about it. Theres a lot better stuff out there for just a little bit more but the most practical firearm isn't the most fun one. Also, theres cylinder conversions that let the Nagant use 32acp I think.

[QUOTE=Bonde;50242494]I trained with one of these 9mm kits while in basic training. It was a decent way of learnig how to aim the weapon system. Only the two or three best shots in the company did get to fire a live AT4. Unfortunately, I wasn't one of them, as that would have been one hell of an experience.[/QUOTE] They let our new DS fire it. Our best shot got to shoot a live HEDP M203 round though.

I would get a Nagant revolver just for the historical significance of it, although I can't remember if I have even seen one for sale locally. On a related note, I'm thinking of getting into old military bolt action rifles. What would be the best to start out with in regards to fun-to-expenses ratio? There is a local seller that have a SMLE Mark III* and No. 4 Mk. I, an original Danish Gevær 1889 (Krag Jørgensen), an M1 Garand, Swedish Mausers, Gewehr 98's and a bunch of Mauser 98K's, both in 6.5x55 and 8mm Mauser. I have heard good things about the Krag, but the ammo is very expensive, since it is chambered in the original Danish 8x58RD cartridge. A more realistic purchase would be a 98K in decent condition. Since I have plenty of access to rifles in 6.5x55, I would probably go for one in 8mm Mauser. What I was most interested in initially, was a Mosin Nagant m44 carbine in pretty good condition, as both the gun and ammo were affordable, but it appears to have been sold. I could probably find another Mosin some where, as they are not uncomon around here, it's just that I have heard very mixed things about them. I know that Mosins are not match grade by any means, so I would mostly get it for the history and the shooting experience.

Mosins are cheap and everywhere. The sniper models are a little more expensive though. You mentioned an M1 Garand. Get one of those. They are amazing and super super accurate.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50244349]Mosins are cheap and everywhere. The sniper models are a little more expensive though. You mentioned an M1 Garand. Get one of those. They are amazing and super super accurate.[/QUOTE] There is a guy selling a Mosin PU at about twice of what the carbine would have cost me. Seems like an interesting deal. The Garand is four times the price of some of the 98K's, and I don't know if it's four times as fun.

I mean, I have to say, from what I see around the web, the Ruger GP100 seems pretty solid. What are your guys' thoughts on an S&W Model 617?

[QUOTE=Bonde;50244375]There is a guy selling a Mosin PU at about twice of what the carbine would have cost me. Seems like an interesting deal. The Garand is four times the price of some of the 98K's, and I don't know if it's four times as fun.[/QUOTE] It's more fun, trust me.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50244783]is 7,62x54r really that easy to get a hold of in denmark? i can buy a shit ton of barnaul 185gr fmj or 203gr sp here in norway but it's kinda expensive (5 NOK a round) for what it is[/QUOTE] Well, the store carries .30-06, .303 British, 6.5x55 and 7,62 x 54R as surplus. The 7,62x54R is only about 2,85-3,25 DKK per round, which is very cheap for rifle ammo. It also carries brand new 8x57IS Norma Jaktmatch at 5 DKK per round. Factory new 6,5x55 practice ammo is usually about 4-5DKK per round. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;50244705]It's more fun, trust me.[/QUOTE] But is it [I]four times[/I] more fun? Have you shot both? To be honest, I have always been much more into Soviet and German military equipment from the world wars, which is also why I am seriously considering getting a Gewehr 98.

[QUOTE=Bonde;50244952]Well, the store carries .30-06, .303 British, 6.5x55 and 7,62 x 54R as surplus. The 7,62x54R is only about 2,85-3,25 DKK per round, which is very cheap for rifle ammo. It also carries brand new 8x57IS Norma Jaktmatch at 5 DKK per round. Factory new 6,5x55 practice ammo is usually about 4-5DKK per round. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] But is it [I]four times[/I] more fun? Have you shot both? To be honest, I have always been much more into Soviet and German military equipment from the world wars, which is also why I am seriously considering getting a Gewehr 98.[/QUOTE] Yes I've fired both plenty of times. Almost got a Garand on Saturday. M1 Garand is four times more accurate (maybe? lol) and 100x more fun.

I went to an NFA shoot and small gun show over the weekend, quite a few cool things to tell. Slab side and new AK 100 series mags for $100 a piece... USA Chemical Supply and another binary target company were there setting up 10lb bags every cease fire, and did those ever thump our chest 100yds away. MGs included a G18, Sten, Thompson, MP5s and G3, MAC10 with Lage upper and a regular MAC11, Mini14, M16s and M4s, a BAR,2 M60s, M249, FN MAG 58, Russian Maxim, Browning M1917 in 30-06, Browning M1919 in 7.62x54r, and a water cooled M2. There was also an Anzio 20mm rifle/cannon and two 37mm cannons on carriages, all of which they fired at AR 500 targets rated for .50 cal and punched holes through. As a side note, the M1919 in 7.62x54r was a flamethrower, and the PAP pistol someone brought out was nearly as loud as the 20mm. Later they brought out cars to shoot at and flipped one with some binary and then brought out a BMP-1 and drove over it. There was a small suppressor range hosted by Silencerco and Alpha Dog where I shot a G17 with silencerco's new glock threaded barrel with an Octane can on the end. I also used a G21 with their barrel and their Osprey can and a Sig MPX 9mm with an Octane can. For some silly reason, the pistols didn't have suppressor height sights, and after the first few rounds I seemed to be missing low center using subsonic ammo. Not sure if that was because of the can rotating or the mirage or crappy shooting on my part. There were also several rifles present, M4s in 5.56, .300 BLK, DPMS AR10 in .308 and a bolt gun in .308. Pistols included an HK USP .45, 1911, G21, G17, G43, SIG P226 and Ruger MKIII. Supersonic ammo fired through a suppressor sounds pretty cool, but is still pretty loud if you're next to it. There were other events such as a 1100yd shoot with a Barrett M107A1 or M99, or bring your own rifle, an "assault hike" with AutoTarget's re-setting steel targets, a zipline shoot with handguns, and a hang upside down shoot with handguns. All in all, a pretty crazy awesome time. Pics: [url]https://www.flickr.com/photos/64363855@N02/albums/72157667640976441/page1[/url]

[QUOTE=MAC21500;50245259]Long post[/QUOTE] I wish we had that shit here. MD sucks. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [video=youtube;kQaI-pB_Sy0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQaI-pB_Sy0[/video] Opinions?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50245549]I wish we had that shit here. MD sucks. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [video=youtube;kQaI-pB_Sy0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQaI-pB_Sy0[/video] Opinions?[/QUOTE] A lot of pain for not a lot of power. You're better off with an LCP with 7 rounds as opposed to one shot in my opinion.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50245211]Yes I've fired both plenty of times. Almost got a Garand on Saturday. M1 Garand is four times more accurate (maybe? lol) and 100x more fun.[/QUOTE] Just make sure you either feed it the right ammo or get the gas-cap adapter. Commercial ammo is loaded too hot for a milspec Garand, it'll break the op-rod. That being said, they sell surplus Greek Garand ammo in spam cans. Comes preloaded in en-bloc clips, which are stored in cloth bandoleers for easy distribution. You can't help but love the Garand. It might not be a top-notch by today's standards, but that's after 70-80 years of hindsight and development. Gen. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised" for a reason. It was one of the best rifles of its day, and it pulled us through two wars and the start of a third. I know I'm waxing nostalgic here, Bonde, so forgive me. You have your own preferences. Assuming flagdog is correct and you are Danish, your mileage with famous pieces of Americana like the Garand will of course vary. If you want a Gewehr or a Karabiner or a Mosin, go for it. Make sure you do all the pre-purchase inspections, especially on the Mosin. If you really [I]really[/I] want a Krag, get it, but of course be prepared to take it to the range infrequently. Just make sure you get a rifle you're happy with, and make sure it's not a lemon.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50245742]Just make sure you either feed it the right ammo or get the gas-cap adapter. Commercial ammo is loaded too hot for a milspec Garand, it'll break the op-rod. That being said, they sell surplus Greek Garand ammo in spam cans. Comes preloaded in en-bloc clips, which are stored in cloth bandoleers for easy distribution. You can't help but love the Garand. It might not be a top-notch by today's standards, but that's after 70-80 years of hindsight and development. Gen. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised" for a reason. It was one of the best rifles of its day, and it pulled us through two wars and the start of a third. I know I'm waxing nostalgic here, Bonde, so forgive me. You have your own preferences. Assuming flagdog is correct and you are Danish, your mileage with famous pieces of Americana like the Garand will of course vary. If you want a Gewehr or a Karabiner or a Mosin, go for it. Make sure you do all the pre-purchase inspections, especially on the Mosin. If you really [I]really[/I] want a Krag, get it, but of course be prepared to take it to the range infrequently. Just make sure you get a rifle you're happy with, and make sure it's not a lemon.[/QUOTE] I think you quoted the wrong guy

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50245549]I wish we had that shit here. MD sucks. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [video=youtube;kQaI-pB_Sy0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQaI-pB_Sy0[/video] Opinions?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't rely on a single shot even if it was one of those 40mm shotgun shells.