Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50246048]I think you quoted the wrong guy[/QUOTE] He's part of the conversation.

[QUOTE=Bonde;50244375]There is a guy selling a Mosin PU at about twice of what the carbine would have cost me. Seems like an interesting deal. The Garand is four times the price of some of the 98K's, and I don't know if it's four times as fun.[/QUOTE] Unless you want it for a collection don't get a PU Mosin. I had one and fucking hated it. The scope is the most god awful piece of shit imaginable. Super hard to zero, hard to keep it zeroed, shit eye relief, even worse sight picture, and super awkward to use because the reticule moves around inside the scope to zero it. Mine ended up being in the bottom left quadrant of the scope zeroed at 100yds

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50246311]Unless you want it for a collection don't get a PU Mosin. I had one and fucking hated it. The scope is the most god awful piece of shit imaginable. Super hard to zero, hard to keep it zeroed, shit eye relief, even worse sight picture, and super awkward to use because the reticule moves around inside the scope to zero it. Mine ended up being in the bottom left quadrant of the scope zeroed at 100yds[/QUOTE] That's exactly how they were though. It's the authenticity of it, not to mention that people got literally hundreds of kills using that tech. Now with that being said there is a difference between authentic PU's and repros. Century imported a bunch of "PU snipers", which were just 91/30's that had a scope mount put on and either a repro or random authentic scope. There are ways to know if it was a true sniper or an ex-sniper, and [url]http://7.62x54r.net/[/url] is a fantastic resource to determine that. The century ones had accuracy that was all over the board since they did it to random 91/30's as opposed to the hand selected originals.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50245549]I wish we had that shit here. MD sucks. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [video=youtube;kQaI-pB_Sy0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQaI-pB_Sy0[/video] Opinions?[/QUOTE] I wish someone would do that except in 12 gauge

[QUOTE=butre;50246538]I wish someone would do that except in 12 gauge[/QUOTE] Kiss having a functioning wrist good bye.

Magnum 12 gauge slug please and call it the wrist breaker. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] Fucking semi-ninja

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50246577]Kiss having a functioning wrist good bye.[/QUOTE] Not really. 90% of the powder would burn outside the barrel. Thing would probably kick as much as a 357 or a 44 snub.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50246421]That's exactly how they were though. It's the authenticity of it, not to mention that people got literally hundreds of kills using that tech. Now with that being said there is a difference between authentic PU's and repros. Century imported a bunch of "PU snipers", which were just 91/30's that had a scope mount put on and either a repro or random authentic scope. There are ways to know if it was a true sniper or an ex-sniper, and [url]http://7.62x54r.net/[/url] is a fantastic resource to determine that. The century ones had accuracy that was all over the board since they did it to random 91/30's as opposed to the hand selected originals.[/QUOTE] I had a true sniper. It was a refurb from Molot. Force matched scope but it WAS a sniper mosin, not a random 91/30. Wasn't imported by Century. It was ACCURATE, I just fucking hated the scope on it, and I was super salty about spending $600 for a slightly more accurate 91/30 with the worst scope I'd ever fucking used in my life.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50246780]Not really. 90% of the powder would burn outside the barrel. Thing would probably kick as much as a 357 or a 44 snub.[/QUOTE] That's unacceptable. It'll have to come with a 20" barrel, to ensure properly-broken wrists.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50246819]That's unacceptable. It'll have to come with a 20" barrel, to ensure properly-broken wrists.[/QUOTE] ?? [t]http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4241203238/11744627/img_0144.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg[/t]

God fucking damn it. So Classic Firearms got some Manurhin MR73's in stock. $500. I got an email from them at 7pm about it. Check the store page now, all out of stock. Fucking couch warriors.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50246830]?? [t]http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4241203238/11744627/img_0144.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Too heavy, all that extra metal's absorbing the recoil. And why's it got a fore-grip? It's a pistol, not a rifle.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50246846]Too heavy, all that extra metal's absorbing the recoil. And why's it got a fore-grip? It's a pistol, not a rifle.[/QUOTE] Please tell me you're kidding. That's the pump To cycle the gun Y'know so you get more than 1 shot?

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50246878]Please tell me you're kidding. That's the pump To cycle the gun Y'know so you get more than 1 shot?[/QUOTE] Yes he's fucking kidding.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50246895]Yes he's fucking kidding.[/QUOTE] Shit dude I don't fucking know, some people really are that stupid.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50246577]Kiss having a functioning wrist good bye.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna shoot 3.5 inch slugs out of it

[QUOTE=zach1193;50225463]so did mgs3 just make the hushpuppy a cock after each round gun, or is it actually fired that way? or was the mk- w/e only in live ammunition not tranquilizer lol which would make more sense just for the game.[/QUOTE] I may be very late (and very wrong) on this, but I believe it was because the rounds being fired were subsonic, and those don't generate enough blowback to properly chamber a new round.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50245110]surplus? do you know where from??[/QUOTE] Their website doesn't say. The 7,62x54R looks like the standard Russian stuff as seen in many shooting videos online, with reddish primers and seals on the bullets.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50246780]Not really. 90% of the powder would burn outside the barrel. Thing would probably kick as much as a 357 or a 44 snub.[/QUOTE] Shotgun powders are very fast burning. Most have combusted by the 9 or 10 inch mark.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50245742]Just make sure you either feed it the right ammo or get the gas-cap adapter. Commercial ammo is loaded too hot for a milspec Garand, it'll break the op-rod. That being said, they sell surplus Greek Garand ammo in spam cans. Comes preloaded in en-bloc clips, which are stored in cloth bandoleers for easy distribution. You can't help but love the Garand. It might not be a top-notch by today's standards, but that's after 70-80 years of hindsight and development. Gen. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised" for a reason. It was one of the best rifles of its day, and it pulled us through two wars and the start of a third. I know I'm waxing nostalgic here, Bonde, so forgive me. You have your own preferences. Assuming flagdog is correct and you are Danish, your mileage with famous pieces of Americana like the Garand will of course vary. If you want a Gewehr or a Karabiner or a Mosin, go for it. Make sure you do all the pre-purchase inspections, especially on the Mosin. If you really [I]really[/I] want a Krag, get it, but of course be prepared to take it to the range infrequently. Just make sure you get a rifle you're happy with, and make sure it's not a lemon.[/QUOTE] Yeah, of course I have seen the M1 Garand in video games and movies, but I guess that many of we European shooters just don't have the same connection to it, as most people never had any relatives who have actually owned one. On the other hand, the shooters unions acquired a lot of German rifles after the world wars, and they were rebarreled to 6,5x55 for sports shooting. That said, both my grandfather and my uncle carried the M1 when they were conscripts, after WW2, and in the 1980's, respectively. My uncle only carried it because he was in the logistics branch of the army, so I guess that the army didn't see the need to upgrade those guys in supporting roles to the G3. They also do sell an M1 Garand sniper locally, with the original sling and scope and everything. [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50246088]Danish Krags are some of the ugliest rifles ever made. I'm really wondering how the Danes fucked up when they decided to design them that way. [t]http://i.imgur.com/b6M7ALW.jpg[/t] That barrel jacket is just added weight and you got the magazine door swinging forwards rather than open downwards, meaning you have to tilt the rifle to load it and avoid rounds falling out. On the US/NOR models the magazine door just pops a bit down and keeps them from falling out. [editline]3rd May 2016[/editline] reason for the barrel jacket is that the germans figure out stronger steel for barrels. denmark takes notice. denmark makes their barrel a lot thinner, then realize hey, fuck, these are military rifles, maybe the barrels will bend easier when they're that thin? then they went and slapped those long big barrel jackets onto them. [editline]3rd May 2016[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/Lkf5Dwt.png[/t] norwegian krag = best krag[/QUOTE] The forward opening loading gate is not a good idea compared to the top opening one, as it means that you have to tilt the rifle to the left to keep all your cartridges from falling out - not a clever design! [editline]3rd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50246311]Unless you want it for a collection don't get a PU Mosin. I had one and fucking hated it. The scope is the most god awful piece of shit imaginable. Super hard to zero, hard to keep it zeroed, shit eye relief, even worse sight picture, and super awkward to use because the reticule moves around inside the scope to zero it. Mine ended up being in the bottom left quadrant of the scope zeroed at 100yds[/QUOTE] I have heard enough about original WW2 era optics, that I know that I should only get a rifle with one to experience the authenticity/difficulty of using it, as they are bested in every way by modern optics.

I'm looking to get rid of my old Remington 7400 for a bit of cash to put towards a bolt-action rifle in 30-06. I'd like something reasonably affordable - my dream rifle would be a Sako 85 but that's well out of my price range. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50250222]tikka t3/t3x?[/QUOTE] I'm with Pruss on the T3. Great rifle for the money. Another option is the Weathby Vanguard/Howa rifle if a Tikka is still a little too much.

I've managed to get 3 rounds touching at 100m with my .223 Howa, and that was shitty bulk Barnaul 55gr.

Most unergonomic, painful to hold gun? To me, Tokarev. It's like holding a hammer by the hammer part end and pretending its a gun. I'm not doubting its reliability, since it's russian. But god if it isn't a pain to hold in your hands.

[QUOTE=Nitro836;50250942]Most unergonomic, painful to hold gun? To me, Tokarev. It's like holding a hammer by the hammer part end and pretending its a gun. I'm not doubting its reliability, since it's russian. But god if it isn't a pain to hold in your hands.[/QUOTE] Nonsense. Its grip is very thin so it's hard to hold in 2 hands, but it's not uncomfortable. Glocks, though, they don't fit me at all. I also find the PPK in .32 and the Walther TPH are way too small to be shot comfortably, but the PPK in .380 is fine.

I cannot stand shooting any sort of sub-compact handguns. My hands are just too big. Like to me, a comfortable size is a full-size 1911 or a USP. I've never held a Mk.23 or a Desert Eagle, but I'd really like to sometime just to see how they fit.

Holding just about any straight stock with a thumbhole is like holding cancer to me. Its just not quite right and feels awful.

Looked again and they were sold out. If i get a Nagant, it's just going to be for dicking around and shooting, plus they have history, same reason I own a Mosin. I got a super accurate 30-06 for hunting, and I'll either buy an old combloc semi auto, or a small halfway decent 380 or 9mm for conceal carry. Nagant could be a fun camping gun too.

[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;50249967]I'm looking to get rid of my old Remington 7400 for a bit of cash to put towards a bolt-action rifle in 30-06. I'd like something reasonably affordable - my dream rifle would be a Sako 85 but that's well out of my price range. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE] Tikka T3 or a Savage

[QUOTE=Bonde;50247824]That said, both my grandfather and my uncle carried the M1 when they were conscripts, after WW2, and in the 1980's, respectively. My uncle only carried it because he was in the logistics branch of the army, so I guess that the army didn't see the need to upgrade those guys in supporting roles to the G3.[/QUOTE] Don't think I have any relatives who carried an M1 either. Great Grandpa on dad's side was a tail-gunner in a B24 operating in the European theater, so he had a pair of M2s to play with. Great great uncle on mom's side was a Sergeant with the 4th Marines on Corregidor, so I'm willing to bet he rocked an '03 Springfield or some variety of SMG before being forced to surrender.