Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50381041]sporterized rifles perform [I]worse[/I] in almost every case I've seen without ungodly sums being dumped into them to bring them up to spec, in which case he won't be getting it cheap and if he buys one of [I]those[/I] he might as well have bought a tikka which will [I]still[/I] be better sporterizing these rifles made sense in the 60s and 70s when they weren't valuable antiques and when the equivalent role commercial rifles were no better - now? it's a waste of money and a waste of history[/QUOTE] ....i still like my $80 sporter carcano that had a scope clamped to the barrel before i got it... but i dont plan on any sort of shooting other than plinking with it

[t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/13256061_10156928720075416_7426466635069438056_n.jpg[/t] Lithgow Arms USA is importing the Thales EF88/F90 being issued to the Australian Army as the "Atrax" rifle. [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/13260181_10156928720675416_5102419498173793120_n.jpg[/t] Compared to the original AUG, it has reduced weight (3.25kg vs. 3.60kg), improved trigger pull, improved removable barrel mechanism integrated with the optics rail, compatibility with a new grenade launcher, and an improved ambidextrous ejection pattern facilitated by a shell deflector.

[QUOTE=StrykerE;50381066][t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/13256061_10156928720075416_7426466635069438056_n.jpg[/t] Lithgow Arms USA is importing the Thales EF88/F90 being issued to the Australian Army as the "Atrax" rifle. [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/13260181_10156928720675416_5102419498173793120_n.jpg[/t] Compared to the original AUG, it has reduced weight (3.25kg vs. 3.60kg), improved trigger pull, improved removable barrel mechanism integrated with the optics rail, compatibility with a new grenade launcher, and an improved ambidextrous ejection pattern facilitated by a shell deflector.[/QUOTE] I thought the F90 was only in prototyping stage, we use the F88SA2. Download might know more.

[QUOTE=StrykerE;50381066][t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/13256061_10156928720075416_7426466635069438056_n.jpg[/t] Lithgow Arms USA is importing the Thales EF88/F90 being issued to the Australian Army as the "Atrax" rifle. [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/13260181_10156928720675416_5102419498173793120_n.jpg[/t] Compared to the original AUG, it has reduced weight (3.25kg vs. 3.60kg), improved trigger pull, improved removable barrel mechanism integrated with the optics rail, compatibility with a new grenade launcher, and an improved ambidextrous ejection pattern facilitated by a shell deflector.[/QUOTE] It would be great to see this come to Canada since the only real bullpups we can get are the Tavor/Type 97, but since it's an AUG variant it's almost guaranteed to be illegal.

Finally went skeet shooting and brought the old shotgun I got from my father out of the closet. Got curious and looked it up. It's a 1936 Winchester model 12. Dope. Was as easy to shoot as my friends' new Benelli.

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50381090]I thought the F90 was only in prototyping stage, we use the F88SA2. Download might know more.[/QUOTE] We're moving to the EF88. It's still shit though. There's a good reason New Zealand dropped their F88s for a domestic AR15 clone and SASR use the M4.

[QUOTE=download;50381919]We're moving to the EF88. It's still shit though. There's a good reason New Zealand dropped their F88s for a domestic AR15 clone and SASR use the M4.[/QUOTE] It's not shit. The M4 is better, but that doesn't make the F88 shit.

Drove down to Arkansas to see a buddy and go hog hunting. Got to play with his 16.5" .50 beowulf AR and a 10.5" supressed (bowers group vers 458) .458 socom. goddamn that 50 is a fun little rifle it's like shooting a goddamn flying ashtray at 1800 FPS. I've seen very few rifles that can stop a pissed off hog in it's tracks and that rifle is one of em. The .458 was a lot of fun too we were shooting barnes 300Gr TTSX's outta it the can didn't make it quiet by any means but it definitely took a bit of the edge off

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50380982]1. Why would using an Enfield make people look down on me? I'd wager about 40% of people at the range use various SMLEs, No .4s, sporter converts, etc. A lot of gun owners I've talked to have, at one point in their time of having a license, had a SMLE.[/quote] They'll look down on you for owning a historical rifle thats been completely butchered into uselessness. [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50380982] 2. I'm a student with a crappy part time job. My min wage is $7.98 and I get paid $8.45/hour. I barely get any shifts in a week. Saving money isn't as easy as it sounds as I have little income. [/quote] Forgive me for not being more well versed in Aussie minimum wage standards, but your national min wage is $17.29 an hour. Why are you being paid $8.45? [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50380982] 3. As I said above. [/quote] If you can't afford guns, then don't buy guns. [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50380982] 4. I'd use it, probably around like, once every 2-3 months. [/quote] It would be dumb to buy something you would use once every 2-3 months. [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50380982] 5. .308 Win 150g is $38.45/20 rounds, how is that [I]not[/I] cheap enough? [/quote] Considering you make $8 an hour and are incapable of saving your money, you should maybe look into another hobby because this is going to be way too expensive for you. [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50380982] 6. As I've said earlier.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;50382162]goddamn that 50 is a fun little rifle it's like shooting a goddamn flying ashtray at 1800 FPS. I've seen very few rifles that can stop a pissed off hog in it's tracks and that rifle is one of em.[/QUOTE] Well holy shit, I sure hope so... I've yet to encounter a problem with a clean shot from a .270. I can only imagine a .50 Beowulf.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50382658] Forgive me for not being more well versed in Aussie minimum wage standards, but your national min wage is $17.29 an hour.[/QUOTE] The $17.29/hour only applies to those 21 and over; those under 21 earn less. I believe min wage for me, 16, is $7.24/hour. I can save money, but right now I'm juggling my money around, licenses + safe (I am handling money and license process - Dad will have guns registered to him of course by law.) + computer repairs (broken mobo, gpu and cpu) + clay shooting and other memberships (~$379, memberships for Dad and I to SSAA, ACTA and range) + various other day-to-day things. Over all, I have spent probably $634 for my Dad and my own licenses, memberships and training so please don't tell me I can't save money - given the situation I would say I've done well.

oh, you're 16 and know nothing about guns, that explains why you're arguing about guns with people who own more guns than you have years of life instead of considering their advice actually it is slightly ironic, since i was 16 when (against advice) i bought my sporter enfield - but i paid $60 for it and only because i had a notion at the time that i could restore it. turns out i can't anyway i would strongly advise you to take the advice of adults with more knowledge and experience than you instead of trying to argue you will be better off saving your money and buying a more expensive rifle that will perform better out of the box, which you won't feel tempted to turn in to a government buyback for an outback steakhouse giftcard.

Is generic 308 really some ~$2 a shot in Australia? I know it is in AUS and not USD but that is still like $30US a box of 20. Honestly that is ridiculously expensive.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50382822]oh, you're 16 and know nothing about guns, that explains why you're arguing about guns with people who own more guns than you have years of life instead of considering their advice actually it is slightly ironic, since i was 16 when (against advice) i bought my sporter enfield - but i paid $60 for it and only because i had a notion at the time that i could restore it. turns out i can't anyway i would strongly advise you to take the advice of adults with more knowledge and experience than you instead of trying to argue you will be better off saving your money and buying a more expensive rifle that will perform better out of the box, which you won't feel tempted to turn in to a government buyback for an outback steakhouse giftcard.[/QUOTE] I think I've failed to explain - when I say 'sporterize' I haven't really given much definition to what I mean. My plans are to take up a $300-400 Enfield sporter from post 1975 and if needed, fix up the stock. I then intend to put a scope on it, and attempt to mimic Korean War/Vietnam War era Lithgow SMLE sniper variants of the Enfield. I think I've fucked up here explaining my intent, I'm not intending to make the Enfield something it isn't - I just want to have a rifle decent enough for the range (I have no intent to go anywhere with target shooting, it's just a for-fun thing), that I have engaged myself in and be proud to reflect on it, without having to spend in the thousands for a modern sharpshooting rifle and scope. [editline]24th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;50382878]Is generic 308 really some ~$2 a shot in Australia? I know it is in AUS and not USD but that is still like $30US a box of 20. Honestly that is ridiculously expensive.[/QUOTE] it can vary depending on shop a lot, I believe and seeing as there's no mail order ammo here (you guys have that in the US still, yeah?) you're kinda just stuck with whatever shop you're left with nearby. Given the popularity of SMLEs in my area, the shop seems yo always have .303 in.

so you're talking about building a no.5 or l42 clone? that's expensive to do properly, but certainly more respectable than sporterization. if that's what you want to do that's what you wanna do, just be aware correct scope mounts and scopes for enfields can cost more than the rifle itself and require gunsmithing to fit we're just urging you not to do anything goofy with a nice example because they're hard to find as it is - if you're fine spending .303 dollar, then it'll be fun on the range and if that's what you're after then that's what counts

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50382940]so you're talking about building a no.5 or l42 clone? that's expensive to do properly, but certainly more respectable than sporterization. if that's what you want to do that's what you wanna do, just be aware correct scope mounts and scopes for enfields can cost more than the rifle itself and require gunsmithing to fit we're just urging you not to do anything goofy with a nice example because they're hard to find as it is - if you're fine spending .303 dollar, then it'll be fun on the range and if that's what you're after then that's what counts[/QUOTE] Glad we're finally on better terms - I can assure you even before this ordeal I didn't intend to butcher a rifle as I have been impacted by something similar [t]http://I.imgur.com/i6HUz72.jpg[/t] Here we have my uncle's K98. For ages, he paraded it around as being a K98a, which I believe was a shortened K98 for calvary purposes. Upon closer inspection and research, you'll learn that it unfortunately isn't a 98a and is just a 98k with a hacked barrel and stock. I believed him for a while as I didn't know much about the rifles. Ive tried piecing the story together, and after asking around a bit last time I visited my uncles father I think I've gotten it right. uncle got it from his father. His father's grandfather had brought it back from the war as a trophy. His grandfather was a known pig culler in the areaand favored the 8mm cartridge over others for its power and uniqueness. One thing he did not favor, was apparently the gun's front heavy barrel. He then git it cut down, was injured and just had the gun lying around for years until my uncle got it off him. That's just going off of what I have been told, by relatives, friends of family and his grandfather's former pig hunting partners. It's sad to hear about the rifle but it was interesting pursuing it's story. [editline]24th May 2016[/editline] Might I add, too, I am going to inherit this rifle once my uncle stops shooting. It's a dissapointment knowing it's just a K98 that was butchered but with it having such a rich family history I'm still going to inherit it and be proud of it.

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50382988]Glad we're finally on better terms - I can assure you even before this ordeal I didn't intend to butcher a rifle as I have been impacted by something similar [t]http://I.imgur.com/i6HUz72.jpg[/t] Here we have my uncle's K98. For ages, he paraded it around as being a K98a, which I believe was a shortened K98 for calvary purposes. Upon closer inspection and research, you'll learn that it unfortunately isn't a 98a and is just a 98k with a hacked barrel and stock. I believed him for a while as I didn't know much about the rifles. Ive tried piecing the story together, and after asking around a bit last time I visited my uncles father I think I've gotten it right. uncle got it from his father. His father's grandfather had brought it back from the war as a trophy. His grandfather was a known pig culler in the areaand favored the 8mm cartridge over others for its power and uniqueness. One thing he did not favor, was apparently the gun's front heavy barrel. He then git it cut down, was injured and just had the gun lying around for years until my uncle got it off him. That's just going off of what I have been told, by relatives, friends of family and his grandfather's former pig hunting partners. It's sad to hear about the rifle but it was interesting pursuing it's story. [editline]24th May 2016[/editline] Might I add, too, I am going to inherit this rifle once my uncle stops shooting. It's a dissapointment knowing it's just a K98 that was butchered but with it having such a rich family history I'm still going to inherit it and be proud of it.[/QUOTE] that was basically going to be the bcd45's fate, a guy was about to buy it and was talking about cutting it down so i offered more than he had and walked away with it [t]http://i.imgur.com/rLurX7W.jpg[/t] all matching and all original except the duffle cut bayonet lug. many bcd45s were made without the upper handguard and this is one of them. i was overjoyed to find the waffenamts inside the stock [t]http://i.imgur.com/IQ8nX92.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/JACRanK.jpg[/t] this rifle makes use of a lot of stamped components out of necessity where prior years were all machined steel, so it's desirable to collectors. great shooter anyway and a lot of obscure history to learn about when you start researching stuff like this too bad about your uncle's but what's done is done and it's probably a solid brush gun, 8mm is no slouch. that said, old sporterizations can be valuable in their own way as some people collect antique sporting rifles. it was a different time, they weren't really antique or rare then, so people didn't think twice about doing it

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50382822]oh, you're 16 and know nothing about guns, that explains why you're arguing about guns with people who own more guns than you have years of life instead of considering their advice actually it is slightly ironic, since i was 16 when (against advice) i bought my sporter enfield - but i paid $60 for it and only because i had a notion at the time that i could restore it. turns out i can't anyway i would strongly advise you to take the advice of adults with more knowledge and experience than you instead of trying to argue you will be better off saving your money and buying a more expensive rifle that will perform better out of the box, which you won't feel tempted to turn in to a government buyback for an outback steakhouse giftcard.[/QUOTE] Ou could have said all of that without being a dickhead

[QUOTE=Birdman101;50384783]Ou could have said all of that without being a dickhead[/QUOTE] yeah i could have but i was getting frustrated due to a miscommunication it's my bad

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50382822] you will be better off saving your money and buying a more expensive rifle that will perform better out of the box, which you won't feel tempted to turn in to a government buyback for an outback steakhouse giftcard.[/QUOTE] I honestly laughed my ass off at this. The idea of a stereotypical Aussie turning his gun into his local government office, an outback steakhouse, in exchange for gift cards is hilarious too me.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50385622]I honestly laughed my ass off at this. The idea of a stereotypical Aussie turning his gun into his local government office, an outback steakhouse, in exchange for gift cards is hilarious too me.[/QUOTE] Does that mean whenever I go to one I'm technically at an embassy dinner?

[QUOTE=Levelog;50385788]Does that mean whenever I go to one I'm technically at an embassy dinner?[/QUOTE] If Download gives me a blowjob in an outback steakhouse bathroom, is it still gay?

Has anyone heard anything about the Ruger Scouts? I love the look of them, there's one for sale at my shop for $650.

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50386314]Has anyone heard anything about the Ruger Scouts? I love the look of them, there's one for sale at my shop for $650.[/QUOTE] Not bad rifles but proprietary magazines that cost $80 for metal ones. Ruger is also the reincarnation of the holocaust into a firearms manufacturer. Buy a Mossberg patrol. Far better rifle and both calibers non-proprietary magazines.

It turns out this exists. [IMG]http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b432/66chevelle6/5449741_01_custom_turkeyshoot_gun_640_zpspnkdeirk.jpg[/IMG] A 60" barrel on a Maverick 88 to be used on turkeys according to the description. And people say you're compensating just for having a Desert Eagle.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50386367]Not bad rifles but proprietary magazines that cost $80 for metal ones. Ruger is also the reincarnation of the holocaust into a firearms manufacturer. Buy a Mossberg patrol. Far better rifle and both calibers non-proprietary magazines.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with Ruger again?

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50386725]What's wrong with Ruger again?[/QUOTE] I feel like asking him that counts as baiting :v:

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50386314]Has anyone heard anything about the Ruger Scouts? I love the look of them, there's one for sale at my shop for $650.[/QUOTE] Pricey proprietary mags, action not very smooth (the mossberg won't be any better in that regard), and rear sight must come off if you you don't use the pic rail for a scope. Only thing mossberg has is that it can take AR10 mags so it's slightly cheaper in that aspect. I'd avoid both. Ruger is over priced for what it is and Mossberg can't do any better. Why not try a Howa rifle? Good rifle for the money. Should be similarly price to the Ruger.

[QUOTE=Levelog;50386781]I feel like asking him that counts as baiting :v:[/QUOTE] I'm genuinely curious. I've had limited experience with Ruger, the only firearm I own at present is their AR556 model. The original was a poorly-put-together piece of shit, but it was under warranty, so I sent it back and got a perfectly serviceable rifle three weeks later. Near as I can tell, Ruger's factory workers are probably pieces of shit who don't deserve their jobs, but I can't find any fault with their customer service.

Can anyone tell me why manufacturers today use cheaper materials but charge more for the same weapon?? Comparing my newish Marlin Model 60 with an old Model 60 that cost less (adjusted for inflation) is like comparing an airsoft gun to a real gun. My buddy's old Remington 788 with its tightly fitting solid wood stock feels more solid than any new bolt action I've picked up off a shelf. If I could find a modern bolt action with that kind of heft and beefy construction benefiting from modern rifling technology I'd be a happy camper. I think it's mostly in the stocks they use these days, they're either shitty injection molded plastic or particle board. I don't see the appeal of either, or how they magically make the gun more expensive.