[QUOTE=Revenge282;50382813]Well holy shit, I sure hope so... I've yet to encounter a problem with a clean shot from a .270. I can only imagine a .50 Beowulf.[/QUOTE]
haha yeah with him it's less about a need to use a 50 on hogs and more because he can. A couple of times I saw that .50 go straight through and kick up dirt on the other side after a clean vital hit
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50386725]What's wrong with Ruger again?[/QUOTE]
I've had like a 15 page argument about this in the past and I don't want to threadshit with it again.
[editline]25th May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50387002]Can anyone tell me why manufacturers today use cheaper materials but charge more for the same weapon?? [/QUOTE]
Thats basic business dood. Make your product low cost and sell it for a higher cost. American manufacturing, as far as guns and cars are concerned, are the worst when it comes to this.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50387002]Can anyone tell me why manufacturers today use cheaper materials but charge more for the same weapon?? Comparing my newish Marlin Model 60 with an old Model 60 that cost less (adjusted for inflation) is like comparing an airsoft gun to a real gun.
My buddy's old Remington 788 with its tightly fitting solid wood stock feels more solid than any new bolt action I've picked up off a shelf. If I could find a modern bolt action with that kind of heft and beefy construction benefiting from modern rifling technology I'd be a happy camper. I think it's mostly in the stocks they use these days, they're either shitty injection molded plastic or particle board. I don't see the appeal of either, or how they magically make the gun more expensive.[/QUOTE]
It's always going to be this way. It's too much for companies to hire people to hand fit things like they used to. Now that manufacturing has gotten to a point where the parts don't need as much fitting, if at all, to get a working gun, the overall fit and finish has suffered from this. People are expensive. Machines are cheap. The other thing is that customers have demanded somethings that are actually cheaper overall for the companies. Plastic stocks, stainless steel with brushed finishes. All this is cheap to do and can be done quick versus doing a decent bluing job and ok wood stock. Inflation is another thing that fucks us over for gun pricing. As for the extra charge, it's because they can. Plastic is cheap, doesn't warp in damp weather or really expand/contract much like wood. The old way of doing things can only be done for extremely niche markets where money is no object, ala Holland&Holland guns.
As much as people talk about how great CNC machines are today or a decade from now, they will never be able to recreate the feel of a hand tuned firearm. MIM is also rampant along with stampings due to cost. Still charge you $600 for a Glock made of plastic, bar stock, and steel stampings. S&W has issues with QC and die hards still hate MIM parts.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;50386900]Pricey proprietary mags, action not very smooth (the mossberg won't be any better in that regard), and rear sight must come off if you you don't use the pic rail for a scope. Only thing mossberg has is that it can take AR10 mags so it's slightly cheaper in that aspect. I'd avoid both. Ruger is over priced for what it is and Mossberg can't do any better.
Why not try a Howa rifle? Good rifle for the money. Should be similarly price to the Ruger.[/QUOTE]
AR10 mags are banned anyway so :v: I'll check out their Howas and see their prices next time.
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50387727]AR10 mags are banned anyway so :v: I'll check out their Howas and see their prices next time.[/QUOTE]
I have a Howa. Buy a Howa.
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50387727]AR10 mags are banned anyway so :v: I'll check out their Howas and see their prices next time.[/QUOTE]
They're not.
[QUOTE=download;50387900]They're not.[/QUOTE]
Maybe in SA, I was told in NSW AK mags, AR15 mags, AR10 mags, M14 mags etc are banned unless 'rendered completely inoperable' but I dunno
[editline]25th May 2016[/editline]
I looked it up, there's no official law dictating it but customs might tuck you
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50388033]Maybe in SA, I was told in NSW AK mags, AR15 mags, AR10 mags, M14 mags etc are banned unless 'rendered completely inoperable' but I dunno
[editline]25th May 2016[/editline]
I looked it up, there's no official law dictating it but customs might tuck you[/QUOTE]
It is illegal to import magazines over 10 rounds, there are still plenty in country.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50388695]so what is a 10 round magazine?
is it a mag body that can theoretically take 10 rounds of 7,62x51 in the case of ar10 mags?
start making mags using 20-round ar10 mag bodies, a single stack follower, stamp it "FOR 10 ROUNDS OF (some big calibre round that will only fit single stacked)"
then switch out the follower once you get it to aus
bada bing bada boom easy as eucalyptus pie[/QUOTE]
They've been importing specially made Magpul 30 rounders for ages that have a long extension underneath the follower that limits the magazine to 10 rounds.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50388695]so what is a 10 round magazine?
is it a mag body that can theoretically take 10 rounds of 7,62x51 in the case of ar10 mags?
start making mags using 20-round ar10 mag bodies, a single stack follower, stamp it "FOR 10 ROUNDS OF (some big calibre round that will only fit single stacked)"
then switch out the follower once you get it to aus
bada bing bada boom easy as eucalyptus pie[/QUOTE]
that's done with AR15 mags being sold as for .458 plenty in communist states like california
You don't even need to swap the follower of .50 Beowulf mags for them to feed .223, which is good, because doing that would be illegally manufacturing a prohibited magazine in Canada. But the fact that it's not needed means we can get 14-round AR mags here.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50391047]You don't even need to swap the follower of .50 Beowulf mags for them to feed .223, which is good, because doing that would be illegally manufacturing a prohibited magazine in Canada. But the fact that it's not needed means we can get 14-round AR mags here.[/QUOTE]
Create some mag guts springs for those mags and squeeze that 15th round in. Totally worth it :v:
7.62x25 Nagant belt fed:
[t]https://i.imgur.com/L4BJYN0.png[/t]
[QUOTE=MAC21500;50392755]7.62x25 Nagant belt fed:
[t]https://i.imgur.com/L4BJYN0.png[/t][/QUOTE]
I love 7.62x25 guns. They are like the toddler versions of the gun they are based on. The fun size of guns.
Yay, the AR got some new furniture
[t]http://i.imgur.com/dAwlZ24.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Episode;50393295]Yay, the AR got some new furniture
[t]http://i.imgur.com/dAwlZ24.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I considered getting an MOE handguard for my AR, if only so I can mount a flash light. Anyone know if it's worth it, or if there are cheaper, better options?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50393352]I considered getting an MOE handguard for my AR, if only so I can mount a flash light. Anyone know if it's worth it, or if there are cheaper, better options?[/QUOTE]
Keymod or MLOK. Ain't cheap but worth it.
Well, I may be able to do clay target shooting as my elected school sport through arrangements with the ACTA and the local club in the near future, along with a friend who also does clay shooting.
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50395301]Well, I may be able to do clay target shooting as my elected school sport through arrangements with the ACTA and the local club in the near future, along with a friend who also does clay shooting.[/QUOTE]
I think we should have this in the US. Have inner-city gang violence be an elective for kids to make up extra credits towards graduation.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50395314]I think we should have this in the US. Have inner-city gang violence be an elective for kids to make up extra credits towards graduation.[/QUOTE]
Huh? What do you mean?
[editline]26th May 2016[/editline]
Oh by the way, I believe there are actual school tournaments in the US for clay shooting already.
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50395317]Huh? What do you mean?
[editline]26th May 2016[/editline]
Oh by the way, I believe there are actual school tournaments in the US for clay shooting already.[/QUOTE]
A good deal of rural and private schools have clay shooting/rifle teams.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50395584]in norway, before the war, virtually every school had shooting as part of PE class
they'd use a special Krag-Jørgensen carbine shooting tiny iron-jacketed wood pellets out of regular 6,5x55 cases:
[t]http://www.kvf.no/ammo/65x55/patroner/Patron-65x55-Raufoss-Salong-1919-Side-1.jpg[/t]
and this was the carbine, Krag-Jørgensen M/1906 «Guttekarabin» («Boys' carbine»)
[t]http://kvf.no/guns/rifle/bilder/Rifle-Kongsberg-Krag-M1906-913-1.jpg[/t]
they did this often indoors, 25m range, shooting on targets. how good a shot they were impacted their grade for the PE class.
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i believe this shooting was officially introduced to the public school curriculum in 1907. some schools did it before though and the manufacture of the M/1906 carbine obviously started in 1906[/QUOTE]
How big was the target? Was it the usual coin sized ones used for competitive target shooting or a decent sized one that's roughly the size of a saucer plate?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50393352]I considered getting an MOE handguard for my AR, if only so I can mount a flash light. Anyone know if it's worth it, or if there are cheaper, better options?[/QUOTE]
I don't know how reliable they are, but you can get picatinny rails that mount to your bayonet lug if you have one.
EDIT: you can also get rails that can be mounted directly to the moe handguard.
[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50395317]Huh? What do you mean?
[editline]26th May 2016[/editline]
Oh by the way, I believe there are actual school tournaments in the US for clay shooting already.[/QUOTE]
I am aware of this, was just making a joke.
They did away with the marksmanship program when I was in school because "wahh guns"
Something about it "promoting the wrong image" and "associating firearms with education"
Kid in my third grade class had a 2 week suspension because he made a copy of the magnum from Halo CE out of clay in class.
I always openly carried a knife on a pocket clip at school and nobody cared. different times I guess
I wasn't the only one either. being a private school in rural mississippi probably helped, everyone grew up around guns and knives and nobody was phased by them.
[QUOTE=camaroni;50393745]Keymod or MLOK. Ain't cheap but worth it.[/QUOTE]
I like the Keymod handguard on mine, but I don't like how finiky some of the MAGPUL stuff can feel on it. I don't know if I ordered the wrong QD link or just what, but it will randomly decide to fly off with no warning on my fore end.
[editline]26th May 2016[/editline]
Yeah, here in VA about five years ago, our principal totally didn't care if we kept our hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in our gun racks on the backs of our trucks and most guys carried pocket knives routinely throughout the day. My local community college was the same way when I was there. Hell, we even had a BB-gun course my sophomore year about 8 years ago because our teacher couldn't get the county to OK .22 rifles. But we did go to the shooting range out in Hardy as a field trip that year and that's the first time I got to shoot an M1 or an AR-15 was thanks to that trip as a kid.
4 years ago I bought an older barnett crossbow with a 180 lb draw for 10 dollars. Today I finally shot it. Fun :v:
[QUOTE=mastoner20;50397974]I like the Keymod handguard on mine, but I don't like how finiky some of the MAGPUL stuff can feel on it. I don't know if I ordered the wrong QD link or just what, but it will randomly decide to fly off with no warning on my fore end.[/QUOTE]
The MLOK handguard on my AR feels great. I don't worry about anything falling off of it.
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