Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=NateLB;49269393]Is there some sort of restriction on pistol grips there? Those AR-15's look fuggly as hell.[/QUOTE] Yeah, pretty sure you need a special restricted license for guns with pistol grips.

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49268429] I'll dig up some more pics later, but I have a question. 1). In Australia, what can I hunt, and where? Is there any separate licensing for hunting, certain animals or places? 2). What would be a good entry into hunting, and a good entry rifle? 3). Are there any good online resources for hunting or communities, preferably Australian? 4). Can hunting only be done on owned/farmland you have permission to shoot on in Australia?[/QUOTE] -You can hunt pretty much any non-native animal. If you have the tags, and I really doubt you do, you can also hunt Kangaroos. -There is no entry into hunting. Get yourself a firearm licence, get yourself a feral hunting permit (from your state police website), and get yourself to a property that is big enough to shoot on. Then all feral animals are your targets. If you are new to shooting and hunting then I would get a bolt action .22 of any variety (Mossberg Plinksters are ~$300 and that is pretty cheap for an entry .22, and my firearm store chucked in a free 3-9 power scope which is also a pretty good idea to get). That will keep you set for Rabbits, cats, and foxes. If you are thinking deer or pigs then I would grab a cheap ex-military rifle like a Lee Enfield or a non-German Mauser (both in the $300-$500 range). Ammo is relatively cheap and the rifles won't need to be super accurate for shooting under 100m, and there are plenty of sported ones floating around that usually have scopes on them. -Not really. Most clubs keep pretty quiet on hunting, trying to keep out of the spot light. If you join a rifle club and ask around you would have better luck. Remember that most of these people are middle aged or older and don't use the net. -Yes. You will need written permission from the owner to shoot on their land unless they accompany you the entire time.

Debating getting a single-stage ammunition reloader next year, probably not worth it for .22lr but it would be for .38 and .357 in the long run.

[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;49269524]-You can hunt pretty much any non-native animal. If you have the tags, and I really doubt you do, you can also hunt Kangaroos. -There is no entry into hunting. Get yourself a firearm licence, get yourself a feral hunting permit (from your state police website), and get yourself to a property that is big enough to shoot on. Then all feral animals are your targets. If you are new to shooting and hunting then I would get a bolt action .22 of any variety (Mossberg Plinksters are ~$300 and that is pretty cheap for an entry .22, and my firearm store chucked in a free 3-9 power scope which is also a pretty good idea to get). That will keep you set for Rabbits, cats, and foxes. If you are thinking deer or pigs then I would grab a cheap ex-military rifle like a Lee Enfield or a non-German Mauser (both in the $300-$500 range). Ammo is relatively cheap and the rifles won't need to be super accurate for shooting under 100m, and there are plenty of sported ones floating around that usually have scopes on them. -Not really. Most clubs keep pretty quiet on hunting, trying to keep out of the spot light. If you join a rifle club and ask around you would have better luck. Remember that most of these people are middle aged or older and don't use the net. -Yes. You will need written permission from the owner to shoot on their land unless they accompany you the entire time.[/QUOTE] Cheers, your help means a lot to me. -Tags? A license? How hard would that be to obtain, I mean, I'm not planning on jumping straight to roo hunting but I've tried kangaroo before and it's beautiful, and I'd love to have it more often. -My uncle has a decent arsenal of rifles of varying calibre. Am I able to hunt with his rifles, or would they need to accompany me during a hunt? -I found [url=http://www.hdhcinc.org.au/]a club in my region[/url]. -Am I only allowed to hunt on owned private property? My uncle owns a small hobby farm and there's a lot of wild animals around, and it borders on a dam. Across the dam is a large bush which I suspect might have wild pigs in it. Is it possible for me to hunt on it, or would I need to contact council, etc?

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49269541]Debating getting a single-stage ammunition reloader next year, probably not worth it for .22lr but it would be for .38 and .357 in the long run.[/QUOTE] Reloading .22, not an economic idea. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49269595]Cheers, your help means a lot to me. -Tags? A license? How hard would that be to obtain, I mean, I'm not planning on jumping straight to roo hunting but I've tried kangaroo before and it's beautiful, and I'd love to have it more often. -My uncle has a decent arsenal of rifles of varying calibre. Am I able to hunt with his rifles, or would they need to accompany me during a hunt? -I found [url=http://www.hdhcinc.org.au/]a club in my region[/url]. -Am I only allowed to hunt on owned private property? My uncle owns a small hobby farm and there's a lot of wild animals around, and it borders on a dam. Across the dam is a large bush which I suspect might have wild pigs in it. Is it possible for me to hunt on it, or would I need to contact council, etc?[/QUOTE] -Tags are like a licence to kill a single animal of they type the tag is issued for. If you talk to Download (he's around here somewhere) he can explain it better as he has been kangaroo shooting. A firearms licence is a must for shooting and hunting. You'll need to go to your local police station and talk to them about obtaining one. -If you want to borrow your uncles firearms you will need a firearm licence. Once you have on you need to make a contract that has your details (name, DOB, address, licence number, contact details, reason), your uncles details, and the firearms details (a separate contract for each firearm) on it, you both need to sign it, and you need to make a copy so that both you and your uncle have a copy of the contract. It can last up to 10 days, at which point you need to make a new one. -I'm not sure of that club. Contact them, it's your best bet. -Yes. You cannot hunt on government land without permission from the government, and they do not give out that permission. Only hunting groups hired by the government to cull animals get that permission.

[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;49269667]Reloading .22, not an economic idea. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] -Tags are like a licence to kill a single animal of they type the tag is issued for. If you talk to Download (he's around here somewhere) he can explain it better as he has been kangaroo shooting. A firearms licence is a must for shooting and hunting. You'll need to go to your local police station and talk to them about obtaining one. -If you want to borrow your uncles firearms you will need a firearm licence. Once you have on you need to make a contract that has your details (name, DOB, address, licence number, contact details, reason), your uncles details, and the firearms details (a separate contract for each firearm) on it, you both need to sign it, and you need to make a copy so that both you and your uncle have a copy of the contract. It can last up to 10 days, at which point you need to make a new one. -I'm not sure of that club. Contact them, it's your best bet. -Yes. You cannot hunt on government land without permission from the government, and they do not give out that permission. Only hunting groups hired by the government to cull animals get that permission.[/QUOTE] Thanks for all the helpful info, can I add you on steam for any more questions?

[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;49269667]Reloading .22, not an economic idea. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] -Tags are like a licence to kill a single animal of they type the tag is issued for. If you talk to Download (he's around here somewhere) he can explain it better as he has been kangaroo shooting. A firearms licence is a must for shooting and hunting. You'll need to go to your local police station and talk to them about obtaining one. -If you want to borrow your uncles firearms you will need a firearm licence. Once you have on you need to make a contract that has your details (name, DOB, address, licence number, contact details, reason), your uncles details, and the firearms details (a separate contract for each firearm) on it, you both need to sign it, and you need to make a copy so that both you and your uncle have a copy of the contract. It can last up to 10 days, at which point you need to make a new one. -I'm not sure of that club. Contact them, it's your best bet. -Yes. You cannot hunt on government land without permission from the government, and they do not give out that permission. Only hunting groups hired by the government to cull animals get that permission.[/QUOTE] You can't hunt on crown land in Australia? That's fucking retarded. People in Canada look for crown land to go hunting and/or target shooting on specifically because you can and don't need permission.

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49269507]Yeah, pretty sure you need a special restricted license for guns with pistol grips.[/QUOTE] Good to know I get a sarcastic answer for a legitimate question.

[QUOTE=NateLB;49270078]Good to know I get a sarcastic answer for a legitimate question.[/QUOTE] Uh, what? I mean like a certain type of firearms license, like, you have Cat A and B for standard firearms and I iirc it's Cat E for pistol gripped rifles. Maybe I should have been more specific with what type of firearm, unless you mean something else...? [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] [quote]Military-Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs) include semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that have one or more of the following components: A folding or telescopic butt A bayonet lug A military pattern free-standing pistol grip A flash suppressor A magazine that holds more than 7 rounds (magazines holding a maximum of 10 rounds may be modified internally to hold only 7 as per legislation) excepting .22 caliber rimfire, where the limit is 15 rounds per magazine. A detachable magazine that appears to hold more than 10 rounds (excepting .22 caliber rimfire; 15 rounds). E Endorsement – Military Style Semi-Automatics (M.S.S.A) New class of restricted weapon that was created after the Aramoana tragedy. At the time anyone with an M.S.S.A that wanted to keep it in that configuration was given a E endorsement (after going through the vetting and extra security requirements). But presently few are issued. Common reasons for wanting an E endorsement are professional pest destruction, collecting, 3-gun and service rifle shooting. Those people that did not want the extra hassle and expense of the endorsement converted their rifles into 'A' configuration by removing the components that made it an 'E'.[/quote] There you go.

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49270186]Uh, what? I mean like a certain type of firearms license, like, you have Cat A and B for standard firearms and I iirc it's Cat E for pistol gripped rifles. Maybe I should have been more specific with what type of firearm, unless you mean something else...? [/QUOTE] The response seemed very snark, I dunno, this one is more specific, thank you.

[QUOTE=NateLB;49269393]Is there some sort of restriction on pistol grips there? Those AR-15's look fuggly as hell.[/QUOTE] If your AR15 doesn't have a pistol grip and is fitted with a magazine under 7 rounds it doesn't need to be registered in New Zealand and goes on the most basic licence category. [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49268429]Did a little bit of simple duck shooting in New Zealand. Now I've regained my determination to get a gun license and hunt back at home. Hunting and Fishing in New Zealand seems like a great store, very helpful. Some stuff I saw and or did [t]http://i.imgur.com/QTQhT1o.jpg[/t] A Norinco AK chambered in .223 and some AR15s, and a M14 which took me way too long to recognise. [t]http://i.imgur.com/OU1ojv7.jpg[/t] Self explanatory [t]http://i.imgur.com/bO2L2q9.jpg[/t] Got some fresh kicks to go hunting in [t]http://i.imgur.com/vQaGLdx.jpg[/t] Fuckin' rip off, wow. I'll dig up some more pics later, but I have a question. 1). In Australia, what can I hunt, and where? Is there any separate licensing for hunting, certain animals or places? 2). What would be a good entry into hunting, and a good entry rifle? 3). Are there any good online resources for hunting or communities, preferably Australian? 4). Can hunting only be done on owned/farmland you have permission to shoot on in Australia?[/QUOTE] Well, you've been spoiled. Shooting in New Zealand is nothing like shooting in Australia. New Zealand is probably one of the best Western Nations to own guns in. 1) Where you can hunt depends on your state. Despite claims the NFA made gun laws consistent across the country, it didn't. In WA, SA, Tasmania and Qld you can only hunt on private property (with a few exceptions) with a signed letter from the land owner/crown land leasee. In SA you can (apparently) hunt ducks with a duck hunting permit during open season in one national park north of the Murray. They also just this year allowed hunting on unalienated crown land. What does that mean? I don't know and they haven't bother too explain it nor will they tell you where you can find unalienated crown land. In Victoria you can hunt feral animals in state parks without a permit and deer with a deer permit. In NSW you can hunt in state parks and national parks with a special hunting accreditation - I understand it involves a shooting competency course. 2) If you don't have any friends who have gun licenses I'd suggest a club. Your first gun should be a bolt-action .22lr. If you're a cheap-ass get a Mossberg Plinker, if you want something nicer get a second-hand CZ 452 or Brno Model 2 (as they used to be called). 3) There are a few forums but they're either full of fudds or assholes. There are pretty regular Australia threads on 4chan.org/k/ if you don't mind 4chan. 4) See 1. [QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49269595]Cheers, your help means a lot to me. -Tags? A license? How hard would that be to obtain, I mean, I'm not planning on jumping straight to roo hunting but I've tried kangaroo before and it's beautiful, and I'd love to have it more often. -My uncle has a decent arsenal of rifles of varying calibre. Am I able to hunt with his rifles, or would they need to accompany me during a hunt? -I found [url=http://www.hdhcinc.org.au/]a club in my region[/url]. -Am I only allowed to hunt on owned private property? My uncle owns a small hobby farm and there's a lot of wild animals around, and it borders on a dam. Across the dam is a large bush which I suspect might have wild pigs in it. Is it possible for me to hunt on it, or would I need to contact council, etc?[/QUOTE] 1) It varies state-by-state. Some states prohibit hunting kangaroos for food, others don't allow recreational shooting and only allow farmers to dispose of them. Your state Department of Environment should have a page on it. 2) Depends on the state but generally if you have a license for that category firearm you can borrow it from them with a signed slip of paper from them authorising you to borrow it. Check with your local police first. 3) Is it a club that shoots what you want to shoot? 4) Who owns the land? What state? [QUOTE=DaCommie1;49269853]You can't hunt on crown land in Australia? That's fucking retarded. People in Canada look for crown land to go hunting and/or target shooting on specifically because you can and don't need permission.[/QUOTE] He's looking at it from a South Australian-centric point of view.

The fact that it varies state-to-state is still stupid. In Canada crown land, land owned by the government (Her Majesty the Queen, hence "crown" land) can be used for whatever. Hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, doesn't matter as long as the municipality or township it's in doesn't have a bylaw against doing what you want to do in that area. This applies to the entire country. The only dumb laws I've heard about is that in New Brunswick I think it is you cannot target shoot on crown land as per the hunting regulations, but I think you can during hunting season as long as you have a hunting license. I know in most every province people are always asking on gun boards for the locations of good crown land to hunt or target shoot at. Crown land and private property are also the only places you can shoot tannerite, since every province's CFOs banned using it at regulated gun ranges.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49270646]The fact that it varies state-to-state is still stupid. In Canada crown land, land owned by the government (Her Majesty the Queen, hence "crown" land) can be used for whatever. Hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, doesn't matter as long as the municipality or township it's in doesn't have a bylaw against doing what you want to do in that area. This applies to the entire country. The only dumb laws I've heard about is that in New Brunswick I think it is you cannot target shoot on crown land as per the hunting regulations, but I think you can during hunting season as long as you have a hunting license. I know in most every province people are always asking on gun boards for the locations of good crown land to hunt or target shoot at. Crown land and private property are also the only places you can shoot tannerite, since every province's CFOs banned using it at regulated gun ranges.[/QUOTE] I think it derives from Australia originally being several colonies and the colonies became states. The crown land is owned by the states bypassing the federal government. The only crown land the federal government has is the ACT which was transferred from NSW and defence land which is formally transferred to the Federal government. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] I'm not even sure the defence land this is correct. The state government controls mining and petroleum tenements in defence land.

I saw a Roni Carbine Kit for Glock cheap and I was like "Damn, I want that for Christmas." So I looked up the legality and it makes your Glock an SBR so I ain't getting one. Fuck these dumb ass laws. The ATF are literally the fun police.

[QUOTE=download;49270609] Well, you've been spoiled. Shooting in New Zealand is nothing like shooting in Australia. New Zealand is probably one of the best Western Nations to own guns in. 1) Where you can hunt depends on your state. Despite claims the NFA made gun laws consistent across the country, it didn't. In WA, SA, Tasmania and Qld you can only hunt on private property (with a few exceptions) with a signed letter from the land owner/crown land leasee. In SA you can (apparently) hunt ducks with a duck hunting permit during open season in one national park north of the Murray. They also just this year allowed hunting on unalienated crown land. What does that mean? I don't know and they haven't bother too explain it nor will they tell you where you can find unalienated crown land. In Victoria you can hunt feral animals in state parks without a permit and deer with a deer permit. In NSW you can hunt in state parks and national parks with a special hunting accreditation - I understand it involves a shooting competency course. 2) If you don't have any friends who have gun licenses I'd suggest a club. Your first gun should be a bolt-action .22lr. If you're a cheap-ass get a Mossberg Plinker, if you want something nicer get a second-hand CZ 452 or Brno Model 2 (as they used to be called). 3) There are a few forums but they're either full of fudds or assholes. There are pretty regular Australia threads on 4chan.org/k/ if you don't mind 4chan. 4) See 1. [/quote] 1). Well, I'm in NSW. I'll look into it, I mean, I have a long way to go first. 2). Funny enough, CZ 452 is a rifle I've wanted for a long time, it's a very nice looking rifle! Although I intend on getting that depending on my financial standpoint at the time I actually buy a gun I may have to pursue a cheaper gun. 3). I lurk /k/ every now and then, guess I'll have to check there more often now. [QUOTE=download;49270609] 1) It varies state-by-state. Some states prohibit hunting kangaroos for food, others don't allow recreational shooting and only allow farmers to dispose of them. Your state Department of Environment should have a page on it. 2) Depends on the state but generally if you have a license for that category firearm you can borrow it from them with a signed slip of paper from them authorising you to borrow it. Check with your local police first. 3) Is it a club that shoots what you want to shoot? 4) Who owns the land? What state? [/QUOTE] 1). Seems like you with a general license you can hunt kangaroos however you cannot sell the carcasses or meat. I'll look into it a bit more to verify. 2). I'll look into it. 3). I'll be contacting them shortly to see about it. 4). As far as I know, my Uncle completely owns it however after finding out that you have to have permission to hunt outside of private land I don't believe it is suitable to hunt on, but I am in NSW as mentioned earlier. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] Oh yeah, I'm asking around the sub-reddit for my town about hunting and getting some helpful info. [quote]BennyAndMaybeTheJets 2 points 2 hours ago Not a hunter ... yet... but getting into it slowly. There's a lot of local state forests open to licensed hunters, or you have to know someone with a property. [Drop a line if you know anyone that needs some pest control!] The hunter valley has high populations of rabbit, fox and feral pig and is probably the best area in the state for deer outside the southern highlands. Not many feral goats around here that I've heard of.[/quote] [quote]CocaCoal 6 points 3 hours ago They go to the Hunter Valley. [/quote] [quote][–]Realitybytes_ 1 point a minute ago Watagans, deer. [/quote] [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=NateLB;49270553]The response seemed very snark, I dunno, this one is more specific, thank you.[/QUOTE] All good! While I certainly didn't intend on coming off as snarky or sarcastic after looking back on it it was very nondescript and really needed a bit more info, or better wording.

The CZ452 is probably the best .22lr you get get for your money. If you want any better you have to drop $2k+ on a Walther. Find out how large the property is. You probably need at least 10 acres to use a .22lr on with farmland in every direction.

[QUOTE=download;49270937]The CZ452 is probably the best .22lr you get get for your money. If you want any better you have to drop $2k+ on a Walther. Find out how large the property is. You probably need at least 10 acres to use a .22lr on with farmland in every direction.[/QUOTE] Would a CZ 455 be good too? I'm heading to property sometime around christmas hopefully, I'll check. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] Also, I'm curious, it's possible to own a rifle and pistol license at the same time, yeah? They're both things that interest me (but I'd likely pursue a pistol license further down the line) [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] Also, can you put or buy a CZ 452 with a synthetic stock?

There are bound to be synthetic stocks for them out there but they don't come like that from the factory. Honestly, I personally wouldn't get a CZ455. They're about $1200-1400 new here and because they're so new there aren't many second hand on the market. If you want both a .22lr and a .22mag or a .22lr and a .17hmr just buy two CZ 452s. Probably cheaper that way. Yes, you can get a Cat H endorsement for your licence, but it's a pain in the ass. You have to be part of a handguns club for 6 months before they'll let you buy your first handgun, then you can only get a handgun with a 10 rounds mag, under .38cal and with a barrel of at least 120mm, then you have to do at least 6 competition shoots per year. You can't take your handgun hunting and can only shoot it on an approve handgun range so no going onto a mate's property and popping some coke cans.

[QUOTE=download;49271006]There are bound to be synthetic stocks for them out there but they don't come like that from the factory. Honestly, I personally wouldn't get a CZ455. They're about $1200-1400 new here and because they're so new there aren't many second hand on the market. If you want both a .22lr and a .22mag or a .22lr and a .17hmr just buy two CZ 452s. Probably cheaper that way. Yes, you can get a Cat H endorsement for your licence, but it's a pain in the ass. You have to be part of a handguns club for 6 months before they'll let you buy your first handgun, then you can only get a handgun with a 10 rounds mag, under .38cal and with a barrel of at least 120mm, then you have to do at least 6 competition shoots per year. You can't take your handgun hunting and can only shoot it on an approve handgun range so no going onto a mate's property and popping some coke cans.[/QUOTE] Thanks man, I sent you an request on Steam for minor questions but I'll continue to ask some on here for other people that might be looking for help too.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49270895]I saw a Roni Carbine Kit for Glock cheap and I was like "Damn, I want that for Christmas." So I looked up the legality and it makes your Glock an SBR so I ain't getting one. Fuck these dumb ass laws. The ATF are literally the fun police.[/QUOTE] If you want to stay legal w/o the tax stamp, you can probably combine the Glock, Roni kit with stock, and the barrel from this thing: [URL]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/12/03/convert-your-glock-to-a-rifle-with-amg/[/URL]. Unfortunately, this is throwing even more money to have a non-SBR Glock. Really, you could buy several Sub2k's that take Glock mags or a nice Glock mag AR15 for that amount cash.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49261791]On single action revolvers with a safety position for the hammer, does it hurt anything if the hammer drops onto that position from near-cock? My thumb has slipped a couple times and allowed that to happen and it sounds pretty bad when it does.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming it's one of those safeties that flips to the side and blocks the hammer from getting close enough to fire the round? Should be safe to drop on that. The hammer slaps the face of the gun every time, anyway, it should be hardened enough to survive hitting a safety block, which is probably the softer piece.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49273090]I'm assuming it's one of those safeties that flips to the side and blocks the hammer from getting close enough to fire the round? Should be safe to drop on that. The hammer slaps the face of the gun every time, anyway, it should be hardened enough to survive hitting a safety block, which is probably the softer piece.[/QUOTE] No, when you start pulling the hammer back it won't return to battery until it's gone all the way back and you pull the trigger. The second tick is a safety position that locks the cylinder and keeps the face of the hammer away from the caps and physically prevents it from being pushed forward. I was wondering if whatever is obstructing the hammer internally will break if the hammer falls on it enough, since it sounds bad when it happens. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49270895]I saw a Roni Carbine Kit for Glock cheap and I was like "Damn, I want that for Christmas." So I looked up the legality and it makes your Glock an SBR so I ain't getting one. Fuck these dumb ass laws. The ATF are literally the fun police.[/QUOTE] Feels like the ATF barely gives a shit about actual gun crime and is primarily focused with restricting responsible people's enjoyment.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49273151] Feels like the ATF barely gives a shit about actual gun crime and is primarily focused with restricting responsible people's enjoyment.[/QUOTE] Sounds exactly like the RCMP Firearms Lab. I hear that come next year they'll be releasing a bulletin banning .50 Beowulf magazines because God forbid you can get a magazine that happens to fit a whole 14 rounds of .223 in it. They're even inventing a new term for why they're doing it, they're claiming it's a "dual-calibre" magazine, which looking at Alexander Arms' website immediately reveals that to be a load of shit. I fully expect a lawsuit over this. Even then, we do have the "once a pistol, always a pistol" rule here, which means the Circuit Judge carbine is a pistol, but it also means we can get those carbine kits because the pistol is still just a pistol.

Can anyone give any information on concealed carry for a Florida resident? A longtime interest in firearms and a sudden influx of disposable income (and very slightly, recent events) have triggered a sudden interest in the idea. I've held and fired handguns and pistols before but I've never actually owned one nor carried, concealed or otherwise. I can find information on how to get the permit but how exactly does it work? What are good pistols to look into? What types of holsters should I look at and what clothes do I need to wear for it to be actually considered "concealed"? Pre-emptive thanks for the help and apologies for the (probably) dumb questions.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49273151]No, when you start pulling the hammer back it won't return to battery until it's gone all the way back and you pull the trigger. The first tick is a safety position that locks the cylinder and keeps the face of the hammer away from the caps and physically prevents it from being pushed forward. I was wondering if whatever is obstructing the hammer internally will break if the hammer falls on it enough, since it sounds bad when it happens. [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] Feels like the ATF barely gives a shit about actual gun crime and is primarily focused with restricting responsible people's enjoyment.[/QUOTE] I feel like the longest time mine will be loaded without being fired is going to be the time it takes to walk from the loading table to where I'll be shooting from, so im gonna leave the hammer down on the notch between the nipples on the chamber, and always treat it like it's about to go boom.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;49273936]I feel like the longest time mine will be loaded without being fired is going to be the time it takes to walk from the loading table to where I'll be shooting from, so im gonna leave the hammer down on the notch between the nipples on the chamber, and always treat it like it's about to go boom.[/QUOTE] I'll probably carry mine around the property for pest animals, etc. I wasn't planning on using the safety notch (5 loaded, hammer on empty is always the safest way to carry a six shooter) but it can still happen that my finger slips off the hammer and it falls on that catch. Just wasn't sure if it would hurt it when that happens as it's already happened twice. I've changed the way I hold the gun now and it hasn't happened since.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49273918]Can anyone give any information on concealed carry for a Florida resident? A longtime interest in firearms and a sudden influx of disposable income (and very slightly, recent events) have triggered a sudden interest in the idea. I've held and fired handguns and pistols before but I've never actually owned one nor carried, concealed or otherwise. I can find information on how to get the permit but how exactly does it work? What are good pistols to look into? What types of holsters should I look at and what clothes do I need to wear for it to be actually considered "concealed"? Pre-emptive thanks for the help and apologies for the (probably) dumb questions.[/QUOTE] I'm a CC holder in Florida. So PM me if you need any more specific help, but I will put the general stuff here. What you carry is completely up to you and your frame. I'm about 5'11"/6' and 170lbs, and I can carry a P250 Compact on my back waistband wearing a t-shirt and shorts without any obvious profiling unless I'm bent over. If you can carry IWB on the hip, that would be ideal as far as concealment goes. Concealing it is easy as long as you have IWB and a compact/subcompact handgun. As far as what gun to get, that's completely preferential, but like I said, keep it compact/subcompact. If you go subcompact, some of the mags have pinky extensions, they are miracle workers. Get one. Caliber should be big enough to stop whatever you think you're maybe going to need to stop one day. I carry .40SW. [sp]sue me 9mm/.45 fans...[/sp] Holsters are tricky and really depend on comfort, but I started with a full kydex IWB, and it was really uncomfortable after awhile, and started to jab. I switched to an Alien gear, which has a neoprene backing, and it is absolutely magical. I would definitely recommend one, and they come custom fit for most models you would probably carry. Getting the permit is easy, its all on the ag department website. Going in person I *think* is faster because my buddy filed online/mail, and I did mine at the office. I beat him by about 2 weeks, and got mine earlier than estimated.

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[QUOTE=Raidyr;49273918]Can anyone give any information on concealed carry for a Florida resident? A longtime interest in firearms and a sudden influx of disposable income (and very slightly, recent events) have triggered a sudden interest in the idea. I've held and fired handguns and pistols before but I've never actually owned one nor carried, concealed or otherwise. I can find information on how to get the permit but how exactly does it work? What are good pistols to look into? What types of holsters should I look at and what clothes do I need to wear for it to be actually considered "concealed"? Pre-emptive thanks for the help and apologies for the (probably) dumb questions.[/QUOTE] I used to CC in Florida. As far as handgun choice, it depends on your size, what caliber like, and personal preference. Maybe you're 7ft tall and can CC a MK23, or maybe you can only CC a little bersa thunder. Best way to find out is to go to a gun range that has rentals, let them know what you're doing, and see if they'll let you rent like 5 handguns. Try some full sizes, some sub compacts, and compacts, and find out what type you like best and go from there. I CC'd a HK USP in .40S&W and never had any issues. As far as holsters, I like kydex ones but again, it's personal preference. Only type I wouldn't recommend is leather; you really want a solid holster, not something that can warp and bend. A FPer here had a ND because his leather holster got caught in the trigger guard. For clothing, you can find specially made CC clothing from companies like 5.11 and dickies, but I always just wore a pair of jeans with a spring jacket or something of the like. Like Revenger said, making an appointment and filling the paperwork there is a lot quicker for you and a lot quicker to get your license. In FL, if you're military, you can go to that office and just fill out some paperwork and get your license pretty quick without needing to take any classes or training. I think NuclearAnnihilation did that.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49274969]n FL, if you're military, you can go to that office and just fill out some paperwork and get your license pretty quick without needing to take any classes or training. I think NuclearAnnihilation did that.[/QUOTE] On the topic of exempting the classes, if you have a hunter's safety course completed, that will also exempt you from the courses they ask of you. That is what I did with mine.