Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=MAC21500;49282316]In Commiefornia you can only link 10rds in a belt...[/QUOTE] As long as the gun was made before 1946 you can belt up as much as you want in Canada. There's a bit of a grey area about linked belts, though. The people who own them argue that it's a lot of interconnected segments, but that each segment is no longer than 3 rounds, those being the round in question and the ones on either side of it.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49282975]What do you guys think about selling guns? I have a Hi-Point 45, along with a dozen or so others, but looking to get rid of this one...basically tearing it down you have to use a rollpin punch...long story short, PITA. The gun works but I'd rather sell it and put the money towards a Ruger LC9 or something. Still unsure about selling it.[/QUOTE] It's a hipoint so you won't get much for it, but I would sell it. Granted I'd never buy a hipoint in the first place.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49282975]What do you guys think about selling guns? I have a Hi-Point 45, along with a dozen or so others, but looking to get rid of this one...basically tearing it down you have to use a rollpin punch...long story short, PITA. The gun works but I'd rather sell it and put the money towards a Ruger LC9 or something. Still unsure about selling it.[/QUOTE] I've sold a LOT of guns. Some I regret every day, others I'm not concerned about. I wouldn't lose any sleep over selling a literal dime a dozen HiPoint pistol.

[video=youtube;edjW6MLab5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edjW6MLab5M[/video] This is pretty interesting. An upper that attaches to a Glock lower to turn it into a carbine. [editline]10th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;49286959]I've sold a LOT of guns. Some I regret every day, others I'm not concerned about. I wouldn't lose any sleep over selling a literal dime a dozen HiPoint pistol.[/QUOTE] Yeah... That's kinda how I'm feeling. Any idea what I'd get for it?

my dad has one of those mech tech uppers and it's kind of shit

So word on the street is there is an executive order coming real soon for "expanded background checks" and I can't help but wonder what that even means. The current ones we do are already pretty thorough what else could they possibly add?

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49290302]So word on the street is there is an executive order coming real soon for "expanded background checks" and I can't help but wonder what that even means. The current ones we do are already pretty thorough what else could they possibly add?[/QUOTE] they're probably going to try adding background checks on private purchases like they always fail at

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49290302]So word on the street is there is an executive order coming real soon for "expanded background checks" and I can't help but wonder what that even means. The current ones we do are already pretty thorough what else could they possibly add?[/QUOTE] Idk if the people that made this executive order "coughobamacough" even know what that means.

Today I called up Calico and asked a few questions I had about the gun I got a few weeks ago. It was a little weird to hear the call rep say 'Hold on, lemme go grab one of the techs to answer your question'- definitely a mom-and-pop scale operation and as far as I can tell nobody who works there has been there from the start. I learned that my gun was made in '06, they're still in business, and despite their online store having an empty .40 S&W section labeled 'Available in Late 2010', they actually have all their parts in stock and are currently working on a .40 version of the gun. Well, now that I've established that parts are available, my current plan is to build it to this configurations, sans flash hider- so I just need a collapsing stock, foregrip, and smoke shell for the magazine. [t]http://i.imgur.com/KvJTF7R.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49290302]So word on the street is there is an executive order coming real soon for "expanded background checks" and I can't help but wonder what that even means. The current ones we do are already pretty thorough what else could they possibly add?[/QUOTE] It means, sell your EBIL ASSALT WEEPONS for loads of money at the nearest show. Even shitty guns get a bump in price. Or start panic buying every black gun and 22lr ammo in sight.

Sounds more and more like its a push for "universal background check" Otherwise known as the unenforceable law that has stopped literally zero mass shootings that only no-guns who think you can buy a gun on the Internet and have it overnighted to your house with no background checks want.

Tbh I think a basic license and firearm course should be mandatory, too many people display terrible gun safety and someone gets shot. Granted most accidental shootings are minor injuries but people still get crippled and maimed over people being dumbasses.

Personally I'd be down for a compromise. They always say they want common sense and they want to compromise and we both get to be happy but that never happens. Instead they just take, take, take. How about we get rid of the NFA or make AW bans unconstitutional. While we're at it let's talk about constitutional carry, the ban of online ammunition sales and the limit of "10 or 7" rounds a mag. Than we can talk about universal backround checks. If they threw away AW bans and the NFA than I'd be cool with brokering all private gun sales via FFL's even if it is a royal pain in the ass. Also my weekly reminder: Kel-Tec is terrible and I love my KSG but man I would never buy another Kel-Tec product again. I had to hone and polish the chamber to keep shells from becoming horribly jammed and unable to eject. Than I had to get new stainless steel followers because the plastic ones were getting jammed up in the magazine tube. Now I got to get new magazine springs because one is shorter than the other. And that may not even fix my current issues where shells either get caught in the lifter arms while ejecting or shells get caught on the 'shelf' while trying to enter the chamber because the lifter doesn't raise them high enough. The lifter is fine so it's probably the springs not shitting the shells out fast or hard enough to get the timing correct. I got a one-point sling mount for it tonight and it's good. I also got the extended magazine tube selector. Holy shit it's amazing why the fuck didn't Kel Tec make their selector this long or smooth to begin with. So much more leverage to switch tubes and you can use your wrist now. Hot damn. Oh and I had to use my dremel on the pump to make a "bubba notch" so that I can actually rack the thing back without a huge amount of needless resistance.

Might I suggest you have a system where you do a background check once, then from it you get a shiny ID card valid for 3 years or something so every time you buy a gun your don't need to bother with the NICS? That way you have your background check and you no longer have to send off firearms details and their serial numbers to the BATF (FBI?).

[QUOTE=download;49292195]Might I suggest you have a system where you do a background check once, then from it you get a shiny ID card valid for 3 years or something so every time you buy a gun your don't need to bother with the NICS? That way you have your background check and you no longer have to send off firearms details and their serial numbers to the BATF (FBI?).[/QUOTE] That was how North Carolina handled handgun sales, if memory serves. Normally you had to go to the sheriff's department for each sale and get a voucher. The voucher would then be exchanged for a handgun. They were good for like a year or something and weren't gun specific. If you had a CC license, however, that served in place of a voucher and you could buy whatever you wanted. Worked pretty decent. I liked the system because it was a decent compromise for everyone. You had expanded background checks and a system that encouraged people to get a CC license, and with it, the safety training. It was a mild nuisance, but once you had your CC, it was totally a non issue.

Made my first acquisition today :) My Uncle is holding it in the photos. [T]http://i.imgur.com/tQkumAH.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/mUbmI3N.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/wPSJIKL.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/co8N332.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/XGgSUZG.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/8A9Ww3J.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/WBEArQf.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/Xfa5aG8.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/DIEr0EJ.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/UhoJm51.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/zp1f5Y2.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/Y2uWCIf.jpg[/T] [img]http://i.imgur.com/kAcKmAN.gif[/img] My hands smell like cosmoline, i've been sniffing them maybe too much. :v:

[QUOTE=download;49292195]Might I suggest you have a system where you do a background check once, then from it you get a shiny ID card valid for 3 years or something so every time you buy a gun your don't need to bother with the NICS? That way you have your background check and you no longer have to send off firearms details and their serial numbers to the BATF (FBI?).[/QUOTE] in many (most?) states a CCW permit serves that purpose. I haven't had a background check at a dealer in years because I've got the MS enhanced carry permit.

[QUOTE=GunFox;49292313]That was how North Carolina handled handgun sales, if memory serves. Normally you had to go to the sheriff's department for each sale and get a voucher. The voucher would then be exchanged for a handgun. They were good for like a year or something and weren't gun specific. If you had a CC license, however, that served in place of a voucher and you could buy whatever you wanted. Worked pretty decent. I liked the system because it was a decent compromise for everyone. You had expanded background checks and a system that encouraged people to get a CC license, and with it, the safety training. It was a mild nuisance, but once you had your CC, it was totally a non issue.[/QUOTE] Be careful. NY had the same system for decades but that system is so ridiculously open for abuse it's not even funny. All you need is a few shootings for the progressives to start crying "How could this happen" and start adding more and more steps, paper work and costs to that process. Background check? Absolutely. Safety Course? Absolutely. Voucher? It's a HUGE pain in the ass. In NY every time you buy a gun you have to pay in full, get a receipt, fill out a form, hand it in to the county clerk and wait two weeks or more to get a new CCW permit in the mail than go pick up your gun. But that's not even the worse. Like I said, they just add steps. Background Check, Safety Class? Gotcha. Next thing you know they require $100 finger prints, they require you to buy a pistol before you can 'own' it meaning if they reject your application you forfeit your money since gun sales are final. You need references? Cool. But now your references can't be LE and they NEED to live in the same county and they can't have known you for less than 3 years. Oh, you got all that? Now you need four more of them. Got them? Great. Now go get them notarized. Oh and that safety course you took two months ago? Guess what. We don't accept those safety courses. Now you need to take the one we offer or we authorize and get a certificate we approve of. By the way, why do you need your CCW? You better have a good reason. Because you need to write a letter to the Judge and explain why. Finally got everything? Well come on in next month for an interview with an investigator so we can see how you react under pressure being questioned by a cop. Interview went good? Got all your paper work and spent all your money? Excellent. Now submit the paper work and wait six months or more to get a restricted "sporting" pistol permit you can't use outside of a range or on your property. Thought any of the stuff I said is ridiculous and couldn't happen? It ALL is the norm in NY State and I had to go through ALL OF IT, that all happened to me except I was lucky and got mine in 2 months. Some people in other counties literally (not even lying) wait two years before getting DENIED and appealing can't be done without a lawyer and even if you win the Judge can place his own special restrictions on it like specifically naming places or activities you can use it in to spite you. I was also lucky and had a "phone interview" with my investigator. Didn't have to go back to the Sheriffs Department to do it thank god. But I did have to retake my safety course. I spent $200+ in safety classes and fingerprints alone and I had to buy my Glock without being able to touch it because doing so was a crime without a permit. I also got unrestricted because my county Judge is good but some of them are rabidly anti-gun and won't issue CCW permits at all.

[QUOTE=Tophat;49292337]Made my first acquisition today :) My Uncle is holding it in the photos. [T]http://i.imgur.com/tQkumAH.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/mUbmI3N.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/wPSJIKL.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/co8N332.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/XGgSUZG.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/8A9Ww3J.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/WBEArQf.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/Xfa5aG8.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/DIEr0EJ.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/UhoJm51.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/zp1f5Y2.jpg[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/Y2uWCIf.jpg[/T] [img]http://i.imgur.com/kAcKmAN.gif[/img] My hands smell like cosmoline, i've been sniffing them maybe too much. :v:[/QUOTE] How can you tell someone's Canadian? They have a beautiful Russian SKS in their gun cabinet, with some kind of dumbass block in the magazine so it only holds 5. By my own definition then I'm not Canadian since I haven't bothered buying an SKS since my parents have 2.

[QUOTE=download;49292195]Might I suggest you have a system where you do a background check once, then from it you get a shiny ID card valid for 3 years or something so every time you buy a gun your don't need to bother with the NICS? That way you have your background check and you no longer have to send off firearms details and their serial numbers to the BATF (FBI?).[/QUOTE] I like this idea a lot. In fact, I'm starting to warm up to treating gun ownership like car ownership- rescind the state-level obstructions and magazine/assault weapon bans and allow universal concealed carry, in exchange for requiring training and periodic re-application. The problem is, by just saying that I am already pissing on the Constitution in the eyes of those gun owners who will never accept any kind of licensing and see it as a direct infringement of the 2nd Amendment. And the NRA and Republicans in Congress who pander to those voters would fight tooth and nail to oppose any such system, while Democrats would never, ever be happy with rescinding assault weapon bans. In other words it's a solid idea that will never happen.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49290302]So word on the street is there is an executive order coming real soon for "expanded background checks" and I can't help but wonder what that even means. The current ones we do are already pretty thorough what else could they possibly add?[/QUOTE] Obama wants to make it so people on No-Fly-Lists can't purchase firearms. The most recent shooters purchased their rifles legally but they were on a No-Fly-List. It's a perfectly reasonable addition to the laws. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49291468]Tbh I think a basic license and firearm course should be mandatory, too many people display terrible gun safety and someone gets shot. Granted most accidental shootings are minor injuries but people still get crippled and maimed over people being dumbasses.[/QUOTE] Absolutely unenforceable. Theres about 1 gun for every person that lives in the US, so over 300,000,000 guns already out there and unregistered. There would be no way in hell you could enforce people to start registering for firearms licenses, and even if they did, the system would be so flooded that it would be impossible to get a license in a timely manner. Its already taking 3 months to 1 year+ to get a tax stamp for a NFA item, and the amount of people registering for those is merely in the thousands. What makes you think the ATF would be able to support millions of people trying to submit registration for licensing? Furthermore, gun ownership in the US is not like vehicle ownership. Owning and driving a car is a privilege, not a right. Owning a gun in the US is a right, not a privilege. Making licensing required for gun ownership infringes on that basic right. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] Hell, the obamacare website was such an epic failure strife with corruption that it was non-functioning for quite a while. It was so fucked up and convoluted that a guy who tried to register for healthcare didn't get signed up, his dog got signed up. So what makes anyone think that the BATFE, one of the most broken and corrupt government agencies there is, would be capable of building a website for people to apply for registration?

[QUOTE=catbarf;49293279]I like this idea a lot. In fact, I'm starting to warm up to treating gun ownership like car ownership- rescind the state-level obstructions and magazine/assault weapon bans and allow universal concealed carry, in exchange for requiring training and periodic re-application. The problem is, by just saying that I am already pissing on the Constitution in the eyes of those gun owners who will never accept any kind of licensing and see it as a direct infringement of the 2nd Amendment. And the NRA and Republicans in Congress who pander to those voters would fight tooth and nail to oppose any such system, while Democrats would never, ever be happy with rescinding assault weapon bans. In other words it's a solid idea that will never happen.[/QUOTE] We need to get a license to own firearms in Massachusetts and besides some counties especially around Boston only giving them to people with connections, if they made it fair for regular people like us to always get a permit and own whatever we want, I would like that. Some of my acquaintances want to get into guns but know fuck all about them. I honestly don't know if just handing them guns without licensing and training would be a good idea, especially with the attitudes of some of them.

I'd be okay with something similar to the system we have for Driver's licenses. Mandatory training period, test at the DMV, different levels of license for different firearms. Basic level lets you own and operate shotguns and non-semiautomatic rifles and requires you pass a written exam, Class B adds semiautomatics and handguns, but comes with a required 2 week course where you have to interact with an instructor who has discretion on whether or not you get your license, Class A would be an unrestricted license, meaning you can own and operate anything short of explosives. You can have automatic weapons (regardless of manufacture date), suppressors, SBRs, the works. One college class's worth of instruction, instructor has, again, discretion as to whether or not you get your license at the end if he thinks you're a loony. Of course, there'd need to be some kind of appeal system in place in case the instructor's a dickhole.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49293659]I'd be okay with something similar to the system we have for Driver's licenses. Mandatory training period, test at the DMV, different levels of license for different firearms. Basic level lets you own and operate shotguns and non-semiautomatic rifles and requires you pass a written exam, Class B adds semiautomatics and handguns, but comes with a required 2 week course where you have to interact with an instructor who has discretion on whether or not you get your license, Class A would be an unrestricted license, meaning you can own and operate anything short of explosives. You can have automatic weapons (regardless of manufacture date), suppressors, SBRs, the works. One college class's worth of instruction, instructor has, again, discretion as to whether or not you get your license at the end if he thinks you're a loony. Of course, there'd need to be some kind of appeal system in place in case the instructor's a dickhole.[/QUOTE] Yea no this is fucking retarded. Thats literally how the made marijuana illegal. They made it so you can only own or grow it if you get a license to do so, then refused to issue any licenses. Look at states that are may-issue with CHL's and CWL's and they outright refuse to issue these licenses. You give our government an inch, you give them a mile. Furthermore, if we get a president that is against firearms ownership, he could issue an EO that tightens the restrictions on the law that makes it so its literally impossible to get a license. And again, this goes directly against the second amendment. Firearms ownership is a right, and restricting it via licensing no longer makes it a right.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49293451]Obama wants to make it so people on No-Fly-Lists can't purchase firearms. The most recent shooters purchased their rifles legally but they were on a No-Fly-List. It's a perfectly reasonable addition to the laws. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] Absolutely unenforceable. Theres about 1 gun for every person that lives in the US, so over 300,000,000 guns already out there and unregistered. There would be no way in hell you could enforce people to start registering for firearms licenses, and even if they did, the system would be so flooded that it would be impossible to get a license in a timely manner. Its already taking 3 months to 1 year+ to get a tax stamp for a NFA item, and the amount of people registering for those is merely in the thousands. What makes you think the ATF would be able to support millions of people trying to submit registration for licensing? Furthermore, gun ownership in the US is not like vehicle ownership. Owning and driving a car is a privilege, not a right. Owning a gun in the US is a right, not a privilege. Making licensing required for gun ownership infringes on that basic right. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] Hell, the obamacare website was such an epic failure strife with corruption that it was non-functioning for quite a while. It was so fucked up and convoluted that a guy who tried to register for healthcare didn't get signed up, his dog got signed up. So what makes anyone think that the BATFE, one of the most broken and corrupt government agencies there is, would be capable of building a website for people to apply for registration?[/QUOTE] So common sense and a simple firearm course and license for guns that might, you know, weed out idiots is infringing on a right? Obviously registrations would be hard to handle for a while, so it would take time, not a big deal. I don't see how education and teaching proper firearm care is wrong. A basic firearm license should be hard to get or register, same with a fairly short firearm course. There is literally no reason mandatory courses shouldn't be in place. Oh ya, "muh amendment", as if amendments aren't subject to interpretation, and a simple license and course aren't infringing on anything. [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49294843]Yea no this is fucking retarded. Thats literally how the made marijuana illegal. They made it so you can only own or grow it if you get a license to do so, then refused to issue any licenses. Look at states that are may-issue with CHL's and CWL's and they outright refuse to issue these licenses. You give our government an inch, you give them a mile. Furthermore, if we get a president that is against firearms ownership, he could issue an EO that tightens the restrictions on the law that makes it so its literally impossible to get a license. And again, this goes directly against the second amendment. Firearms ownership is a right, and restricting it via licensing no longer makes it a right.[/QUOTE] You're basically saying preventing moronic people that accidentally kill themselves and others is not as important as making people get a basic license and go through a course? Pathetic.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49293451]Obama wants to make it so people on No-Fly-Lists can't purchase firearms. The most recent shooters purchased their rifles legally but they were on a No-Fly-List. It's a perfectly reasonable addition to the laws.[/QUOTE] Yeah man, it's totally reasonable that a federal organization with absolutely no legislative oversight could add you to a secret list with practically no way out for whatever reason it wants (including: being a young child and getting on an airplane, or having the same last name as someone else on the list) and completely bar you from your second amendment rights. It's absolutely reasonable that every person in this thread could be added to that list just for posting here and none of us would know it until our next 4473, because there would be no due process to strip someone of a constitutional right. That's not mindblowingly illegal at all.

Yeah you all got put on the no fly list for posting on the same page as my title.

7x33 Sako looks cute.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49295561]So common sense and a simple firearm course and license for guns that might, you know, weed out idiots is infringing on a right? Obviously registrations would be hard to handle for a while, so it would take time, not a big deal. I don't see how education and teaching proper firearm care is wrong. A basic firearm license should be hard to get or register, same with a fairly short firearm course. There is literally no reason mandatory courses shouldn't be in place. Oh ya, "muh amendment", as if amendments aren't subject to interpretation, and a simple license and course aren't infringing on anything. [/quote] I'm not saying firearms courses or teaching idiots about guns is a bad thing, but again, it's unenforceable. Want a better solution? Make firearms safety a mandatory course in schools. Make them take 3 classes, one in elementary school, one in middle school, and one in highschool. And I'll say it again, Obamacare was broken for months on end before it was actually functioning properly; what makes you think the BATFE, a burough that takes 3 months to a year+ to get paperwork worked through to get permits for NFA weapons, would be able to handle an influx of hundreds of millions of people trying to get licensing? It's literally not possible. Furthermore, why registration of firearms? If you know literally anything about firearms legislation and gun control, you know that registration does absolutely fuck all to stop crime or help track crime. Even [i]Canada[/i] abolished their long gun registry because it did nothing to track or stop firearm crime, and only inhibited legal gun owners. Registration is step one of confiscation. I'll say this again one more time, the BATFE is not competent enough and far too corrupt to put together a national firearms registry and a national firearms licensing service and have it up and running and functioning in a timely manner. They can barely get NFA registration done in a timely manner. [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49295561] You're basically saying preventing moronic people that accidentally kill themselves and others is not as important as making people get a basic license and go through a course? Pathetic.[/QUOTE] Oh yea dood I'm totally advocating the accidental deaths of adults and children. Thats EXACTLY what I'm saying. Pathetic. I have nothing against people taking courses to learn more about safety, but requiring it is dumb and infringing on the second amendment. So, I'll say it again; make firearms safety courses mandatory in schools. Teach the next generation to be safe around guns and you won't need to make everyone take these courses.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;49295853]Yeah man, it's totally reasonable that a federal organization with absolutely no legislative oversight could add you to a secret list with practically no way out for whatever reason it wants (including: being a young child and getting on an airplane, or having the same last name as someone else on the list) and completely bar you from your second amendment rights. It's absolutely reasonable that every person in this thread could be added to that list just for posting here and none of us would know it until our next 4473, because there would be no due process to strip someone of a constitutional right. That's not mindblowingly illegal at all.[/QUOTE] Yea, it's completely reasonable. If you're on a no-fly-list, you're probably on there for a good reason.