Some kind activists tried to tell me that only police should have guns and that police should not carry loaded weapons because" it should only take a good cop x number of seconds to load his weapon."
[QUOTE=butre;50865511]you should build it unless there's a prebuilt gun that already has the parts you want. it comes out cheaper than buying a prebuilt if you want a geissele trigger for example, or if you have a specific furniture set in mind that factory rifles don't tend to come with (eg. prebuilt guns with magpul furniture don't come with an STR stock), or if you want an SBR, or if you want to reproduce an older military design (eg. I'm not aware of a prebuilt XM4), or if you want something weird like a dissipator with a 2 piece forend and standard M4 fsb, or if you want a barrel with any profile other than M4 or HBAR, etc.
of course you can also resell any parts you swap (unless it's m4 parts, good luck selling that shit). that's what I'm doing with my next build
start with something like this [url]http://www.primaryarms.com/rf105pistol300/p/rf10.5pistol300/[/url]
trade the lame not-stock for a NEA CCS and a tax stamp, put a noveske KX3 and magpul moe-k on it, add LMT fixed front and rear sights, stick a forend wrap on it, and come out with one hell of a PDW.
maybe one day I'll even find some 20 round pmags in a color that's not black or fde to put in it[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-MR556-416-AR15-M4-Stock-PDWC-134p17754.htm"]This[/URL] seems like a venerable alternative to the NEA, being that it's like ridiculously overpriced for a stock. I mean really, $500 dollars to shave off a few inches? I mean yeah it looks cool as fuck but that's a new optic, or half a rifle spent on the stock alone. Plus you don't have to use NEA's proprietary BCG.
[t]https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/view-4-416-arm4-stock-pdwc_743_detail.jpg[/t]
There's also an extended buttpad version.
[t]https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/view-5-416-arm4-stock-pdwc-ext_991_detail.jpg[/t]
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Not sure where your cheek goes though... :v:
NEA had some massive QC issues a few years back that really hit their reputation hard. Also, from what I've heard their parts are commercial-spec, not mil-spec. I didn't realize they made a stock that requires the use of their BCG though.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50857474]hard to blue an aluminium lower ;) but otherwise i agree.[/QUOTE]
I can spray paint anything I want blue! What are you on about?! :v:
[QUOTE=Icy Fire;50869857][URL="https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-MR556-416-AR15-M4-Stock-PDWC-134p17754.htm"]This[/URL] seems like a venerable alternative to the NEA, being that it's like ridiculously overpriced for a stock. I mean really, $500 dollars to shave off a few inches? I mean yeah it looks cool as fuck but that's a new optic, or half a rifle spent on the stock alone. Plus you don't have to use NEA's proprietary BCG.
[t]https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/view-4-416-arm4-stock-pdwc_743_detail.jpg[/t]
There's also an extended buttpad version.
[t]https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/view-5-416-arm4-stock-pdwc-ext_991_detail.jpg[/t]
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Not sure where your cheek goes though... :v:[/QUOTE]
the NEA one isn't $500, don't know where you got that number. it's only $20 more than the one you linked and collapses an extra 7/8ths. I don't mind the proprietary bolt carrier either. it's not like bolt carriers are prone to breakage or anything. if the bolt breaks I'll throw a new one in the carrier.
$300-$400 is still expensive for a stock. Maybe I'm too used to buying AKM stocks for a dime a dozen.
[QUOTE=Icy Fire;50869857]Not sure where your cheek goes though... :v:[/QUOTE]
Nose against the charging handle, Private!
[QUOTE=Icy Fire;50869857]
Not sure where your cheek goes though... :v:[/QUOTE]
We have learned from the Russians that cheek welds are tactically ineffective. So instead of following the Russians with a chin weld, we did one step better. Free floating head.
[QUOTE=TehAgentGuy;50869251][sp]The Terminator[/sp][/QUOTE]
You got it!
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50871040]$300-$400 is still expensive for a stock. Maybe I'm too used to buying AKM stocks for a dime a dozen.[/QUOTE]
From a manufacturing standpoint that price is pretty ridiculous. The stock of an AR is not a high-stress component, nor does it involve moving parts or tight tolerances. It's more about what people are willing to pay to be different than what it actually costs to produce, and a lot of gun accessories tend to be priced that way.
I remember seeing a news story a while back about an illegal rifle being found somewhere in southeast Asia with an airsoft replica of one of those stocks. I'd be curious to see how well one of the airsoft ones holds up to actual recoil.
[QUOTE=catbarf;50873270]You got it!
From a manufacturing standpoint that price is pretty ridiculous. The stock of an AR is not a high-stress component, nor does it involve moving parts or tight tolerances. It's more about what people are willing to pay to be different than what it actually costs to produce, and a lot of gun accessories tend to be priced that way.
I remember seeing a news story a while back about an illegal rifle being found somewhere in southeast Asia with an airsoft replica of one of those stocks. I'd be curious to see how well one of the airsoft ones holds up to actual recoil.[/QUOTE]
Thats my whole problem with AR culture. The price gouging on the entire AR platform is nuts. Its like if HK owned an entire genre of rifles
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50873726]Thats my whole problem with AR culture. The price gouging on the entire AR platform is nuts. Its like if HK owned an entire genre of rifles[/QUOTE]
Not at all, there are plenty of accessories and parts that are quality without the price gouging.
ALL HK parts and accessories are overpriced.
As far as airsoft parts being used on real guns on purpose, I remember when people were buying CZ Skorpion EVO 3 airsoft guns just for the stocks because there wasn't a US legal (922r) version of it yet that CZ was selling.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50874771]922r is such a fucking retarded concept lmao[/QUOTE]
We can't import surplus barrels if they are from a machinegun either, although we used to be able to.
[QUOTE=catbarf;50873270]You got it!
From a manufacturing standpoint that price is pretty ridiculous. The stock of an AR is not a high-stress component, nor does it involve moving parts or tight tolerances. It's more about what people are willing to pay to be different than what it actually costs to produce, and a lot of gun accessories tend to be priced that way.
I remember seeing a news story a while back about an illegal rifle being found somewhere in southeast Asia with an airsoft replica of one of those stocks. I'd be curious to see how well one of the airsoft ones holds up to actual recoil.[/QUOTE]
it's $320 and includes a stock, receiver extension, buffer assembly, and bolt carrier. think of what those parts cost on their own. it's nor just an expensive stock, it's a reasonably priced group of parts
A while back I posted about the PTR MSG 91 (SS), but availability was really low. I just got word from one of the dealers that they are expecting another batch in January for the SS. So my question is, is it really worth $2700 for the SS vs $1600 for the regular when the difference basically the barrel?
SS has "20” match grade, fully free floated, fully fluted, crowned, bull barrel".
Regular has "18” match grade, fluted, bull barrel".
(I know AR-10 is the more economical choice, but I really don't want another AR-style gun since it was the last one I got.)
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50874771]922r is such a fucking retarded concept lmao[/QUOTE]
It's because we can't have nice things.
[QUOTE=catbarf;50868508]Got my Uzi carbine build done.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LskxBg4.jpg[/t]
And also submitted my SBR paperwork so I can build it to the configuration I mocked up with a dummy barrel:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/NktYHdD.jpg[/t]
Also, some of my other weird guns. Who here can identify the theme?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Csilhdq.jpg[/t]
More photos in [URL="http://imgur.com/a/xwW47"]my Imgur album[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Where the fuck do you get a Calico at?
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;50875354]Where the fuck do you get a Calico at?[/QUOTE]
Any gun show in American, gunbroker, or a gun shop. They're not uncommon guns.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50875437]Any gun show in American, gunbroker, or a gun shop. They're not uncommon guns.[/QUOTE]
And they're cheaper than I expected for something you never see in most places.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;50875091]A while back I posted about the PTR MSG 91 (SS), but availability was really low. I just got word from one of the dealers that they are expecting another batch in January for the SS. So my question is, is it really worth $2700 for the SS vs $1600 for the regular when the difference basically the barrel?
SS has "20” match grade, fully free floated, fully fluted, crowned, bull barrel".
Regular has "18” match grade, fluted, bull barrel".
(I know AR-10 is the more economical choice, but I really don't want another AR-style gun since it was the last one I got.)[/QUOTE]
You have to ask yourself what this rifle's purpose will be for you; do you want an accurate semi auto .308 rifle just to have one? Do you want an MSG 91 clone because of what it is? Are you going to just plink with it or shoot groups or shoot long range?
IMHO, an MSG 91 is cool and accurate, but expensive and expensive to upgrade.
You have 3 trigger options for it, either a Bill Springfield trigger, an MSG 91 trigger, or a PSG-1 trigger, which is $900
You have two pistol grip options, maybe three if you slide a hogue grip over the navy lower.
The new PTR MSG 91 SS come with 5/8x24 threaded barrels, prior to 1/1/16 they did not.
The charging handle is not in a great location, there is no automatic bolt hold open/release
The gun is tough on brass, and there isn't an adjustable gas system to alleviate that, by design; not an ideal gun to reload for.
Shooting suppressed would mean you'd want to change rollers due to the increased backpressure.
The AR-10 would give you many more options for around $3K as well, and I would argue, a better rifle overall.
Keep in mind that the HK G28, an AR-10 derivative, is the leading choice in military DMR rifles, replacing the US's previous M110 SASS and SR-25 AR-10 variants and the M14 EBR/M39 EMR.
The only other rifle that comes to mind in that class is the FN Mk 20 SSR, which is basically an accurized SCAR 17.
There are now multiple AR variants in .300 Win Mag and several in .338 Lapua Mag.
The AR/Stoner design continues to be very adaptable and is probably your best bet for the long term, unless you just have to have a PTR MSG 91 SS.
Here is what a real MSG 90 looks like with the differences between it and a standard G3 and PSG-1 pointed out:
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/07/shooting-hk-msg90/[/url]
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[QUOTE=catbarf;50868508]Got my Uzi carbine build done.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LskxBg4.jpg[/t]
And also submitted my SBR paperwork so I can build it to the configuration I mocked up with a dummy barrel:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/NktYHdD.jpg[/t]
More photos in [URL="http://imgur.com/a/xwW47"]my Imgur album[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Smile, you're on a weapons blog:
[url]http://weaponsman.com/?p=34138[/url]
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;50875493]And they're cheaper than I expected for something you never see in most places.[/QUOTE]
You never see them because they're not particularly good guns. They just have an interesting heritage of being prop guns for bad 80's movies.
Well, I mean, to be fair, that's the same reason why Deloreans are sought after, too. So...
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50875968]You never see them because they're not particularly good guns. They just have an interesting heritage of being prop guns for bad 80's movies.[/QUOTE]
they're not horrible, just no way to get parts if it breaks
[QUOTE=MAC21500;50875625]You have to ask yourself what this rifle's purpose will be for you; do you want an accurate semi auto .308 rifle just to have one? Do you want an MSG 91 clone because of what it is? Are you going to just plink with it or shoot groups or shoot long range?
IMHO, an MSG 91 is cool and accurate, but expensive and expensive to upgrade.
You have 3 trigger options for it, either a Bill Springfield trigger, an MSG 91 trigger, or a PSG-1 trigger, which is $900
You have two pistol grip options, maybe three if you slide a hogue grip over the navy lower.
The new PTR MSG 91 SS come with 5/8x24 threaded barrels, prior to 1/1/16 they did not.
The charging handle is not in a great location, there is no automatic bolt hold open/release
The gun is tough on brass, and there isn't an adjustable gas system to alleviate that, by design; not an ideal gun to reload for.
Shooting suppressed would mean you'd want to change rollers due to the increased backpressure.
The AR-10 would give you many more options for around $3K as well, and I would argue, a better rifle overall.
Keep in mind that the HK G28, an AR-10 derivative, is the leading choice in military DMR rifles, replacing the US's previous M110 SASS and SR-25 AR-10 variants and the M14 EBR/M39 EMR.
The only other rifle that comes to mind in that class is the FN Mk 20 SSR, which is basically an accurized SCAR 17.
There are now multiple AR variants in .300 Win Mag and several in .338 Lapua Mag.
The AR/Stoner design continues to be very adaptable and is probably your best bet for the long term, unless you just have to have a PTR MSG 91 SS.
Here is what a real MSG 90 looks like with the differences between it and a standard G3 and PSG-1 pointed out:
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/07/shooting-hk-msg90/[/url][/QUOTE]
I really just wanted to branch out to a different system than the AR platform I feel chained to since it's really all I have (minus my bolt-actions). The goal for this was to have a nice toy for the range, while more importantly being able to reach out ~300yd and hit hogs in some form of succession. G3 platforms have always tickled my fancy, but I am open to other options. I intend to get a Specwar 762 in the near future for whatever the weapon may be.
I really was just trying to put some diversity in the safe.
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It'll be shot stationary 99.9% of the time, so I'm not looking for mobility, and reloads are not going to happen.
A discussion of the 7n6 ban. It's a worthwhile read.
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/11/atf-foia-7n6/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2016-08-13&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter[/url]
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50874771]922r is such a fucking retarded concept lmao[/QUOTE]
has anyone ever like been taken to prison for 922r in the US? like what the fuck, I don't understand the reason why people are so paranoid about it, who the hell is going to come check the origin of manufacture of your parts?
I read that some guy got really assblasted because some other dude inserted a russian magazine into his AK which made it non-922r compliant and then the first guy threatened to call the police..
like wtf america who cares
[QUOTE=StrykerE;50878501][t]https://66.media.tumblr.com/b9c5aaf57cf9d798b605719f57a3072f/tumblr_obu0k8CLyG1r9khx4o2_1280.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Where do I get one?
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;50875354]Where the fuck do you get a Calico at?[/QUOTE]
I found it at a gun show, having never seen one in person before and have never seen one since. Calico's still in business and has been manufacturing them slowly since the AWB expired, they're not as vaporware as that Automag.
Also, it may be cheap for a 'rare' gun, but I think it's overpriced for what it is. I paid $450 for mine and am very happy with it, no reliability issues, but it's a polymer subgun with some questionable design choices and I'd have been disappointed if I paid $800+ for it. In good condition, the helical magazine actually works a lot better than popular wisdom seems to indicate, it shoots pretty accurately, and the recoil is nonexistent despite its very low weight due to using roller-delayed blowback like the MP5. But the lack of accessory support, heavy trigger, orangutan-proportioned length of pull, vulnerability of the magazine to user error, and general impracticality of both semi-only 9mm subguns and giant tubular magazines are what let it down.
It's not bad, just a solution in search of a problem.
[QUOTE=butre;50876206]they're not horrible, just no way to get parts if it breaks[/QUOTE]
Actually, since the company's still around and still making guns, you can order parts [url=http://calicolightweaponsystems.com/store/]directly from them[/url]. That's how I got my foregrip and (shitty, unusable) smoke mag shell.
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