Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=Binladen34;49308908]Which as it turns out the roll pins, and springs are of a different spec.[/QUOTE] You might not want to keep that lower. Who knows what else is out of spec on it? Also, your castle nut on the buffer tube is backwards.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49309304]You might not want to keep that lower. Who knows what else is out of spec on it? Also, your castle nut on the buffer tube is backwards.[/QUOTE] I'm taking the lower to a gunsmith tomorrow and I'll have them work on it. [editline]13th December 2015[/editline] Also I thought I had the castle nut on backwards when I had it in the lower, but thought it couldn't be right. Doesn't matter anyway I assembled it just for the picture.

[video=youtube;C27E6cO62u0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27E6cO62u0[/video] I kinda want one

If the MPX didn't have an AR-15 style charging handle, I'd be all over it.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49310725]If the MPX didn't have an [B]AR-15 style charging handle[/B], I'd be all over it.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with that?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49310734]What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE] Somehow I keep breaking nails on my AR-15 trying to charge it but I think that's my fault, not the gun's. I like the MPX but I can't afford one. :v:

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49310789]Somehow I keep breaking nails on my AR-15 trying to charge it but I think that's my fault, not the gun's. I like the MPX but I can't afford one. :v:[/QUOTE] Lol breaking your nails??

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49310800]Lol breaking your nails??[/QUOTE] Yeah, I have no idea. My index fingernail cracks and kinda flakes off sometimes when I pull the charging handle, like the top layer of it? I don't know how to explain it. Like I said I'm pretty sure I'm just retarded :v:

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49310915]personally I think AR15 charging handles suck pretty bad. using them prone or even sitting/crouching is awful for me [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] much prefer G3 style[/QUOTE] My favorite charging handles for semi-automatics have just been bits of metal sticking out of the bolt that I can catch with the side of my palm or a hooked finger. I don't mind my AR-15's since it's a range toy and that handle works fine when you're following safety rules but I wouldn't really want to be in a combat zone with it, either.

AK charging handle is nice.

As a lefty I've never had issues with AR style charging handles. I even usually charge them similar to how Russians train with their AKs with no issues. All comes down to preferences, I guess.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49310734]What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE] They're not really comfortable to use. I just don't like the positioning of it. For me at least, you have to tilt the gun down a bit to charge it, and that makes no sense at all to me. [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49310915]personally I think AR15 charging handles suck pretty bad. using them prone or even sitting/crouching is awful for me [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] much prefer G3 style[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. The HK style charging handle is why I bought the EVO over the MPX.

The AR-15's charging handle is one of the most obvious signs of its civilian heritage. It was clearly designed on a controlled firing range rather than on a battlefield.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49311053]The AR-15's charging handle is one of the most obvious signs of its civilian heritage. It was clearly designed on a controlled firing range rather than on a battlefield.[/QUOTE] I don't know about that. It was designed in a time before tactical reloads were a thing so concerns over charging handle ergonomics were a little different. IMO it's every bit as clunky and unwieldy as the 'let's just stick a handle on the bolt' of its Garand/M14 predecessors. The original AR10 prototype had a top-mounted charging handle under the carry handle. From what I've read, the change to rear-charging was because the carry handle area got extremely hot after sustained fire, and had some structural issues that were rectified by removing the slot for the charging handle. Could be that a side charging handle wasn't an option due to those structural problems.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49311541]I don't know about that. It was designed in a time before tactical reloads were a thing so concerns over charging handle ergonomics were a little different. IMO it's every bit as clunky and unwieldy as the 'let's just stick a handle on the bolt' of its Garand/M14 predecessors. The original AR10 prototype had a top-mounted charging handle under the carry handle. From what I've read, the change to rear-charging was because the carry handle area got extremely hot after sustained fire, and had some structural issues that were rectified by removing the slot for the charging handle. Could be that a side charging handle wasn't an option due to those structural problems.[/QUOTE] I would still prefer a right-side attached to the bolt charging handle over the AR-15 one, because at least it doesn't force me to take my muzzle off target during reloads. Obviously FAL style or HK style charging handles are the best because they don't force you to take your hand off the pistol grip or awkwardly fumble your left arm under the gun to rack the bolt.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49296286]Yea, it's completely reasonable. If you're on a no-fly-list, you're probably on there for a good reason.[/QUOTE] Posted in the video forum but it's relevant. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNDcd1Fe5lg[/media] That "No-Fly" list concept is dumb as hell. It's going to be abused to the third power and people even now get put on it for trivial things like having the same name as someone who is on it. [editline]13th December 2015[/editline] Some of the ways they throw people into that list is pretty dumb too. [quote=Wikipedia] Among the complaints about the No Fly List is the use of credit reports in calculating the risk score. In response to the controversy, Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officials said in 2005 that they would not use credit scores to determine passengers' risk score and that they would comply with all rights guaranteed by the First and Fourth Amendments. Source: [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB112734156684447883[/url][/quote] Just check out the list of "notable" cases on the Wiki it's pretty dumb. Like Air Marshals being denied on flights because they had names alike to someone on the list. Or boy scouts being denied on planes. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#False_positives[/url] Can you imagine going to the gun counter, running a background check to buy a Ruger 10/22 and the guy denies you because you are on a list you had no idea until that second you were on and now need to file a big appeal to get off it and maybe hire a lawyer? Even better you come to find out it's because your name is the same as some entirely random other person you've never heard of or met on the other side of the country or the world?

AR-15 charging handle sucks because you HAVE to break aim to operate it. AK and AK-style can be done with the right hand without losing your cheek weld. HK-style ones can be done too, but it's not optimal. But I get the stupidest grin on my face when I slap that charging handle down...

Unless you're clearing a malfunction you only ever have to use the charging handle once (which will be long before any contact), and if you're clearing a malfunction then breaking aim isn't really an issue. AR's charging handle ergonomics do not matter.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49313094]AR-15 charging handle sucks because you HAVE to break aim to operate it. AK and AK-style can be done with the right hand without losing your cheek weld. HK-style ones can be done too, but it's not optimal. But I get the stupidest grin on my face when I slap that charging handle down...[/QUOTE] How is HK style not optimal? It's literally the best here is.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49313944]How is HK style not optimal? It's literally the best here is.[/QUOTE] The AR-15 might have an annoying charging handle, but when your magazine runs empty, the bolt locks to the rear. All you have to do is slide in in a new magazine, hit the bolt release, and continue firing. You're not going to be using the charging handle often enough for it to be a serious issue. It might suck, but it's good enough for its purpose.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49308054]I'm pretty sure Chevy has badge engineered Daewoos. We helped some lady who broke down and everything under the hood was Daewoo. I forgot what model it was though. e: Cruze [editline]13th December 2015[/editline] Also my 1851 Navy already broke. I never even got to fire it. Mainspring snapped while cocking the hammer. Emailed Pietta but never heard back. Expensive mistake, this gun was :v:[/QUOTE] Shit, that sucks. I took mine out and put 12 shots through it yesterday and it worked flawlessly aside from a cap jam, but that was to be expected. As for the wedge, mine came out with a pair of pliers to hold the pin down, then snacking the wedge with something hard. It scuffed up the wedge and frame some, but I don't care to much since I got the cheap one.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;49314959]Shit, that sucks. I took mine out and put 12 shots through it yesterday and it worked flawlessly aside from a cap jam, but that was to be expected. As for the wedge, mine came out with a pair of pliers to hold the pin down, then snacking the wedge with something hard. It scuffed up the wedge and frame some, but I don't care to much since I got the cheap one.[/QUOTE] Good, glad you had fun. Was it accurate? How'd it kick? I forgot if you got the .36 or the .44. I'm not sure what to expect with mine when/if I ever get to shoot it.

Was not accurate at all, even from 10 yards. Even using kentucky windage, I would be lucky to hit a union soldier at 10 paces with one of 3 shots. Very little kick at 17grains, but big low pitched BOOM. Recoil wise, comparable to my Phoenix arms hp22a. I got the 44. I shot a fire extinguisher with it and the lead ball ricoched off, so I whipped out my p-64 and finished it off. Took about 5 minutes to load, innacurrate as pissing in the wind, and super impractical, but really damned fun.

I've heard they can be quite accurate with specific loads and bullets but I'm going the lazy route with pyrodex charges and .454 round ball. I'll try the plier thing when I get home, I had been trying to depress the spring with a screwdriver and had no luck, but it's already scuffed up there so I'm not worried about making that area worse. I don't like any of my guns looking brand new anyway. I think 17 grains is much too low for the .44. The steel framed ones can apparently take as much as you can cram under the ball (up to 40 it seems) but the pyrodex charges are like 29 I think. I'm not sure what's safe for brass but I'd think 25-30 would be fine long-term. e: It looks like 17 is the recommended load for brass-framed .36s. Brass .44s should be shot at 25-30.

The manual said 35 max. I was gonna load a cylinder fulll of 30 grains, but I ran out of time and my fingers were too cold.

I've heard the brass frames can run into stretching problems long-term with very hot loads, which is why I went with the steel. You'll probably get to shoot it again before mine is fixed so please report back with your scientific findings. :v:

Interview with the guy who designed the modern AR10/AR15 charging handle: [vid]http://videos.full30.com/bitmotive/public/full30/v1.0/videos/inrange/9b50f8a825ab510b4c227c7b32a76bc1/640x360.webm [/vid]

[QUOTE=En_Carlson;49315240]Interview with the guy who designed the modern AR10/AR15 charging handle: [vid]http://videos.full30.com/bitmotive/public/full30/v1.0/videos/inrange/9b50f8a825ab510b4c227c7b32a76bc1/640x360.webm [/vid][/QUOTE] So [I]that's[/I] why the bolt carrier has so much mass. And here I was complaining about how the damn thing would throw my point of aim off whenever it snapped forward. Better that than frequent failures, I guess. EDIT: This is assuming he was referring to an improvement introduced to the AR-15 over the AR-10, rather than a recent AR-15 improvement. Otherwise, that damn bolt carrier weighs enough already.

[t]http://i.imgur.com/B6VEkjO.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/813dE6M.jpg[/t] IWI Tavor. Probably one of the most interesting rifles I've ever shot. Israel makes some neat guns :v:

I've decided if I shoot this Pietta it's going to be with my 12 gauge, nailed to a tree. I decided to take it apart myself after waiting 4 days for Pietta's reply to my email (which never came) and found that what initially seemed like tight tolerances is actually awful tolerances shoved together on a fucking press. In addition to the wedge being off-center and warping the frame when it was installed, the screw at the base of the grip was drilled in off-center (again warping the frame) and cannot be removed even by placing the gun in a vice and attaching vice grips to a screwdriver, because the head of the screw just fucked off. All of this was blued over so I know it's a factory error that they overlooked. And I still haven't heard back from them. Absolutely fucking appalling. No idea how this shit left the factory. This factory frame damage is not even considering the spring that just up and broke under normal handling conditions.