I ended up profiting on my nugget, bought it for $100 about 5 years ago, and a year or so ago I sold it for $150. It was a good deal to me because the barrel had been worn to shit because of lack of proper cleaning with corrosive ammunition.
[QUOTE=zach1193;49603985]I ended up profiting on my nugget, bought it for $100 about 5 years ago, and a year or so ago I sold it for $150. It was a good deal to me because the barrel had been worn to shit because of lack of proper cleaning with corrosive ammunition.[/QUOTE]
Thinkin about selling mine just to get rid of it. I paid 70.00 for it, dunno how much it would be worth now. Still got ammo for it too. Has bayonet, sling, little kit that came with it and ammo.
[QUOTE=MR-X;49604235]Thinkin about selling mine just to get rid of it. I paid 70.00 for it, dunno how much it would be worth now. Still got ammo for it too. Has bayonet, sling, little kit that came with it and ammo.[/QUOTE]
[I]be my friend[/I]
seriously. My GF wants to start collecting historical rifles. Not even to really [I]use[/I] regularly, but seriously HMU lets work something out.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49604193]I wish people in the US would stop telling new shooters to get Mosins... why get a beat up battle rifle in a overpowered cartridge for range use, with a gritty trigger, rough action, and shitty ergonomics? that you also have to clean after every time you shoot it?
throw on a couple hundred bucks more and you have something much more sensible..[/QUOTE]
You dont have to clean them each time if you dont shoot 50 year old corrosive cheap shit ammo. I believe the appeal of the mosin to new shooters can be summed up in 7 words.
Go ahead and try to break it.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;49604477]You dont have to clean them each time if you dont shoot 50 year old corrosive cheap shit ammo. I believe the appeal of the mosin to new shooters can be summed up in 7 words.
Go ahead and try to break it.[/QUOTE]
I broke mine :v:
yea I know, but it still takes more shit than many other "beginner rifles" would.
[editline]25th January 2016[/editline]
I mean you broke that pietta without even firing it:v:
It's not my fault Italian revolvers have springs made of spaghetti...
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49604193]I wish people in the US would stop telling new shooters to get Mosins... why get a beat up battle rifle in a overpowered cartridge for range use, with a gritty trigger, rough action, and shitty ergonomics? that you also have to clean after every time you shoot it?
throw on a couple hundred bucks more and you have something much more sensible..[/QUOTE]
It's a rifle that doesn't take shit, they're difficult to damage, they're simplistic in design, they're a piece of history, and they're great for teaching someone how to take recoil and deal with sight placement.
Are they great guns? No, a standard AR/AK platform weapon [I]could[/I] be better, but a Nagant is something that teaches beginners respect and encourages calm trigger control (since you can't pull it fast at all).
I learned with the Nagant and the Enfield on sight placement and breathing control.
I wanna get another Enfield. My grandparents pretty much claimed the no5 my dad left for me when he moved to Louisiana as theirs because he had to leave it at their house while I was in the dorms.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49604193]I wish people in the US would stop telling new shooters to get Mosins... why get a beat up battle rifle in a overpowered cartridge for range use, with a gritty trigger, rough action, and shitty ergonomics? that you also have to clean after every time you shoot it?
throw on a couple hundred bucks more and you have something much more sensible..[/QUOTE]
They're good, solid, fun rifles, but I wouldn't recommend a new shooter to buy one. It's going to teach bad habits and be a shitty first rifle.
what kind of bad habits?
[QUOTE=Birdman101;49605379]what kind of bad habits?[/QUOTE]
Flinching from fear of recoil. The last gun I want to hand to a new shooter is one that is gonna kick like a mule. Because they are new, they have no idea as to what recoil really is. So a good fitting .223 might be fine, but an ill fitting full rifle round (.308,7.62x54r,ect.) is probably do more harm than good in teaching a new shooter about guns and shooting.
This is partially why I hate my state's rules on big game hunting so only shotguns with loads of recoil are needed. Or you drop a big chunk of change on a revolver caliber rifle.
In the grand scheme of firearms, development has generally moved towards lighter kicking designs and cartridges. If anyone asks why the AR15 is popular, a reason you can use is it doesn't kick hard. A gun that kicks hard will scare away most people from enjoying the hobby. Again, recoil is subjective and up to the individual.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;49605390]Flinching from fear of recoil. The last gun I want to hand to a new shooter is one that is gonna kick like a mule. Because they are new, they have no idea as to what recoil really is. So a good fitting .223 might be fine, but an ill fitting full rifle round (.308,7.62x54r,ect.) is probably do more harm than good in teaching a new shooter about guns and shooting.
This is partially why I hate my state's rules on big game hunting so only shotguns with loads of recoil are needed. Or you drop a big chunk of change on a revolver caliber rifle.
In the grand scheme of firearms, development has generally moved towards lighter kicking designs and cartridges. If anyone asks why the AR15 is popular, a reason you can use is it doesn't kick hard. A gun that kicks hard will scare away most people from enjoying the hobby. Again, recoil is subjective and up to the individual.[/QUOTE]
I highly agree with this, and honestly teaching a new shooter on some shitty little .22 rifle is stupid. ( I'm not talking about small children ) because it literally has no kick, shot placement is pretty much always shitty and there's nothing you really learn from shooting one.
I started on a .22 bolty and I hated that with a burning passion, once I got my hand on an AR or my .243 I was having a hell of a time and really was able to have a feel for rifles.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49605775]loads of recoil, a VERY inconsistent trigger, muzzle report and the cheekweld are the reasons why I would never tell a new shooter to pick up a mosin for their first rifle.
zerokateo, you seem to not have a lot of experiene with teaching shooting.
the objectively most sensible guns to use for training are airguns, since they're much less forgiving when it comes to trigger pull and grip. on a cartridge gun the projectile/s will leave the barrel long before you feel it, but in airguns, squeezing too hard, too little, moving the barrel during shooting will make you hit all over.
aside of that, a quality bolt action .22lr makes practicing trigger pull, breath timing, and stance/grip is the best go-to for a beginner. no matter how boring you think it is.
starting with a .308 or 7,62x54r is 99% guaranteed to give you bad habits.
[editline]25th January 2016[/editline]
ps: a trigger can be heavy as all hell as long as it is consistent. my krag has a very very heavy trigger, but it breaks clean and isn't gritty.[/QUOTE]
My mosin's trigger was fine before the sear broke. It had a clean, consistent trigger pull. '42 Izzy. Not match grade by any means but it was fine. Cheek weld I'll agree with you on. With the Mosin it's more like jaw weld.
Mosin recoil ain't got shit on my old no5. Even from an m44. The non flip up sights are awful though.
[QUOTE=Bonde;49577335]Gah, the Arsenal Strike One Speed got sold out from where I was planning on purchasing it. Shortly afterwards, the shop increased the the price by 500DKK (roughly 80 USD), so now I'm reconsidering my choice. I really want a pistol with adjustable front and rear sights.
I was notified about a Grand Power K100 Target (Mk.6?) for sale, used, from a private seller. It has adjustable fiber optic sights and includes four magazines. The price it [I]half[/I] of what the Strike One Speed would cost me from new, so I'm seriously considering it, as I have heard good things about the Grand Powers.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kl36bWj.jpg[/IMG]
Any opinions?
I have to admit, I really like DA/SA pistols, and I have heard mixed things about the trigger of the Strike One. I have yet to fire a striker fired pistol, where the trigger felt really crisp.[/QUOTE]
Alright, I got a deal with the seller. Now I just need his information and I can fill out my request to transfer the gun, and then proceed to wait for 3-4 weeks it likely takes to get it processed. Then I can pick up my very own handgun.
Remember that when you are complaining about a two week waiting period!
Also I found out that in the US, the gun is imported by STI, and is labeled as the STI GP6, for Grand Power, Mk. 6 I guess.
[QUOTE=Bonde;49606651]Alright, I got a deal with the seller. Now I just need his information and I can fill out my request to transfer the gun, and then proceed to wait for 3-4 weeks it likely takes to get it processed. Then I can pick up my very own handgun.
Remember that when you are complaining about a two week waiting period!
Also I found out that in the US, the gun is imported by STI, and is labeled as the STI GP6, for Grand Power, Mk. 6 I guess.[/QUOTE]
Eagle Imports now handles the Grand Powers here in the US, they retain their original name although they don't have all the models available yet.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;49605390]Flinching from fear of recoil. The last gun I want to hand to a new shooter is one that is gonna kick like a mule. Because they are new, they have no idea as to what recoil really is. So a good fitting .223 might be fine, but an ill fitting full rifle round (.308,7.62x54r,ect.) is probably do more harm than good in teaching a new shooter about guns and shooting.
This is partially why I hate my state's rules on big game hunting so only shotguns with loads of recoil are needed. Or you drop a big chunk of change on a revolver caliber rifle.
In the grand scheme of firearms, development has generally moved towards lighter kicking designs and cartridges. If anyone asks why the AR15 is popular, a reason you can use is it doesn't kick hard. A gun that kicks hard will scare away most people from enjoying the hobby. Again, recoil is subjective and up to the individual.[/QUOTE]
I kinda actually think the hella recoil and long hard pull would discourage flinching. If you flinch or yank the trigger on a mosin, youre going to miss by miles, and that should emphasize that those are the wrong things to do, and pretty much force you to get used to a long consistent squeeze on the trigger.
As opposed to a lighter recoil gun like a .223, where the difference between a squeezed trigger and yanked trigger is less, and harder for a beginner to notice that theyre doing it wrong.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;49608947]I kinda actually think the hella recoil and long hard pull would discourage flinching. If you flinch or yank the trigger on a mosin, youre going to miss by miles, and that should emphasize that those are the wrong things to do, and pretty much force you to get used to a long consistent squeeze on the trigger.
As opposed to a lighter recoil gun like a .223, where the difference between a squeezed trigger and yanked trigger is less, and harder for a beginner to notice that theyre doing it wrong.[/QUOTE]
This is objectively wrong.
It's interesting seeing people use the same arguments gun owners use to support high-powered car ownership.
Except its cheap to buy a high power gun, its not for cars sadly.
All you motherfuckers are pansies if you think a 91/30 has a bunch of recoil. It doesn't hurt nearly as much as my sportered Enfield because it's so heavy. I can shoot my Mosin all day. It's a bad first gun because it's not very accurate and the trigger is shit, but I don't get why everyone keeps saying it kicks so bad, because it doesn't.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49610568]All you motherfuckers are pansies if you think a 91/30 has a bunch of recoil. It doesn't hurt nearly as much as my sportered Enfield because it's so heavy. I can shoot my Mosin all day. It's a bad first gun because it's not very accurate and the trigger is shit, but I don't get why everyone keeps saying it kicks so bad, because it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is saying the recoil is bad, but its too much for someone whos just starting shooting. Giving a new shooter a mosin is like giving a 15 year old with a drivers permit a 1960's era VW Bug with 4 million miles, 3 gears missing, no side view mirrors, and no AC.
How can you expect someone to teach themselves or be taught how to shoot when they're using a 70+ year old rifle thats designed for your typical illiterate Bolshevik conscript, not a modern day sport-for-fun shooter.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49610568]All you motherfuckers are pansies if you think a 91/30 has a bunch of recoil. It doesn't hurt nearly as much as my sportered Enfield because it's so heavy. I can shoot my Mosin all day. It's a bad first gun because it's not very accurate and the trigger is shit, but I don't get why everyone keeps saying it kicks so bad, because it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
I traded a clip of ammo in my Garand with some Russian guys (ha!) who had an M44. That Nagant sure as hell kicked a lot harder.
Why are trigger springs for mosins $20 jesus christ this looks like a $3 part
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49611353]Why are trigger springs for mosins $20 jesus christ this looks like a $3 part[/QUOTE]
try liberty tree collectors. They have bunch of mosin parts.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49611350]I traded a clip of ammo in my Garand with some Russian guys (ha!) who had an M44. That Nagant sure as hell kicked a lot harder.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because it's an M44. The 91/30 doesn't dislocate shoulders like people like to say it does. Also the SVT has, like, no kick.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49605775]loads of recoil, a VERY inconsistent trigger, muzzle report and the cheekweld are the reasons why I would never tell a new shooter to pick up a mosin for their first rifle.
zerokateo, you seem to not have a lot of experiene with teaching shooting.
the objectively most sensible guns to use for training are airguns, since they're much less forgiving when it comes to trigger pull and grip. on a cartridge gun the projectile/s will leave the barrel long before you feel it, but in airguns, squeezing too hard, too little, moving the barrel during shooting will make you hit all over.
aside of that, a quality bolt action .22lr makes practicing trigger pull, breath timing, and stance/grip is the best go-to for a beginner. no matter how boring you think it is.
starting with a .308 or 7,62x54r is 99% guaranteed to give you bad habits.
[editline]25th January 2016[/editline]
ps: a trigger can be heavy as all hell as long as it is consistent. my krag has a very very heavy trigger, but it breaks clean and isn't gritty.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention a heavy cartridge is going to teach you to drop the barrel slightly after every shot, to get the sights back on target. That shit always fucked me up before I got any actual training.
You'll want to do pretty much endless dry-fire drills before you ever take the weapon out to the range, regardless of caliber. Focus on getting a smooth, almost mechanical trigger pull. If you're using a weapon with an average trigger, like a mil-spec AR-15, put a Dime on top of the barrel before squeezing the trigger. If you squeeze it right, the dime will stay. Have bad trigger pull? It'll fall off.
If I had to tell a beginner one thing about marksmanship (caveat: I'm not an expert), it's that trigger pull is damn important. Whatever you do, have good trigger pull. You can have shit breathing, an unstable stance, maybe (in all likely-hood not) shit sight picture, but whatever you do, have good trigger pull. That's the only chance you have of putting those rounds on-target. Otherwise, it's just suppressing fire.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49611929]Yeah, because it's an M44. The 91/30 doesn't dislocate shoulders like people like to say it does. Also the SVT has, like, no kick.[/QUOTE]
This is ammo dependent. I'm not a manlet and my SVT-40 is extremely violent with the ultra-hot Bulgarian surplus 54r. An SVT-40 weighs about the same as an M44 and the action is probably the most violent out of any gun ever mass produced. That kinda makes for a mule of a gun, even with lower power loads. You can be a big boy and say full power cartridges don't kick for you at all, but in actuality they do. Just because a gun doesn't beat you to death or make your shoulder hurt at the end of the day doesn't mean a gun doesn't kick.
Or maybe the Norinco ammo you get for cheap is jipping you on half the powder in the ammo.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49612705]This is ammo dependent. I'm not a manlet and my SVT-40 is extremely violent with the ultra-hot Bulgarian surplus 54r. An SVT-40 weighs about the same as an M44 and the action is probably the most violent out of any gun ever mass produced. That kinda makes for a mule of a gun, even with lower power loads. You can be a big boy and say full power cartridges don't kick for you at all, but in actuality they do. Just because a gun doesn't beat you to death or make your shoulder hurt at the end of the day doesn't mean a gun doesn't kick.
Or maybe the Norinco ammo you get for cheap is jipping you on half the powder in the ammo.[/QUOTE]
I like shitty 54r with half powder because they can double as maracas.
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