Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49805163]I think wartime mosins were left in the white and painted rather than blued. Mine has several spots in the paint where it just looks like bare metal beneath. The Hoppes solvent just took the paint off. It isn't gonna hurt the rifle. It probably looks pretty cool, too, if it took all the paint off cleanly. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] I'm reading also that the paint was added after the war when it was refurbed in the armory. So bare metal might really be the "correct" look on her rifle. [img]http://i.imgur.com/UvipGHr.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/EPFxwIY.jpg[/img] I might do this to mine...[/QUOTE] That actually looks pretty nice. I might consider doing that to my 1927 hex if it wasn't blued.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;49802267]Fuck I dont wanna get into this again. I CC my P64, and its just fine. One in the chamber, hammer down, safety on. Its a little heavy, and unless you replace the hammer spring (around 10 bucks), the double action pull is awful. Not as good or light or intricate as a special snowflake modern carry gun, but plenty good enough on a budget. Now if you dont plan on CCing it great, ignore what I said, except for the hammer spring part. Its a good looking simple and reliable gun to have, but unless you get some wider grips for it, its a little painful on the web of your hand to be a range toy, at least if you have small nerd hands like me. After 2 mags my hand is numb enough. Also, 9x18 is more annoying to try to find locally than 9x19. I really like mine.[/QUOTE] Thanks, ya I've read that most people replace the hammer springs on P64's, and 9x18 doesn't seem too much more expensive than x19, $11 for 50 rds isn't too bad.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49806077]Thanks, ya I've read that most people replace the hammer springs on P64's, and 9x18 doesn't seem too much more expensive than x19, $11 for 50 rds isn't too bad.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's pretty much the same price, but i had to go to 3 different gun stores to find 9x18, and even then they had 3 boxes, right next to the 30+ boxes of 9x19.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;49806124]Yeah it's pretty much the same price, but i had to go to 3 different gun stores to find 9x18, and even then they had 3 boxes, right next to the 30+ boxes of 9x19.[/QUOTE] Try finding .303 around me.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49801315]Why a trigger safety and a grip safety? Why have a safety at all? Sig Sauer safeties are by far the best.[/QUOTE] Because safeties are generally a good idea? Otherwise you have shit like those toddlers grabbing their parents gun out of their holster and shooting them without having a real hold on the firearm. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;49804517]Aww I love takedown rifles. Nice find dude. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [B]!!help!![/B] GF decided to clean her nugget while I was at work, she polished the stock, cleaned all the cosmoline off of everything visible, and cleaned the receiver. But the Hoppe's I had on hand seems to have nearly stripped the finish off the nugget's receiver. I thought these things were blued, the fuck happened?? She's super pissed at herself and honestly I'm not sure what happened. Everything we both read said that Hoppe's should not have affected the finished period. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] Okay nugget's are finished in Shellac... interesting. But point stands, Hoppe's shouldn't have hurt it, but that finish is fucking ruined and she's depressed she ruined her birthday present.[/QUOTE] There shouldn't be any Shellac on the receiver... the Shellac is what they finish the wood with. What was stripped? The Shellac on the wood or the bluing on the receiver? [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Levelog;49806132]Try finding .303 around me.[/QUOTE] Buy online? [url]http://gun-deals.com/list/ammo/.303+British[/url]

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;49806390] There shouldn't be any Shellac on the receiver... the Shellac is what they finish the wood with. What was stripped? The Shellac on the wood or the bluing on the receiver? [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [/QUOTE] It was the receiver, and i've learned that it was apparently only painted, it was never blue'd in its lifetime. That is literally the only way that it could have happened. I'm going to have it blue'd at some point, but all of this is nice to know to calm her down and and assure her that its not her fault that the finish got stripped off the pretty gun I got her.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49805540]got a picture of the rifle after she "cleaned" it? [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] oh and bonde you guys use the sauer 200 str as well, right?[/QUOTE] Yep, we have a whole rack of them for members to use. They will officially be my responsibility to take care of, but other people will help out as well.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;49806390]Because safeties are generally a good idea? Otherwise you have shit like those toddlers grabbing their parents gun out of their holster and shooting them without having a real hold on the firearm.[/QUOTE] Yea no man. The best safety in the world is a competent user. If your toddler is prone to gun-grabbing, don't bring your holster low enough for them to reach up under your shirt and grab your handgun :rolleyes:. Also don't leave your handguns on the kitchen counter or around your dogs food bowl where your dog might get ahold of them too. Don't want to shoot yourself in the foot? Don't point your gun at your foot with your finger on the trigger. Don't want your child to get ahold of your handgun? Keep it locked in a safe and don't give them the key/combination and teach them proper gun safety at a young age so they know better than to touch a gun without your permission. Mechanical safeties can only do so much; trigger safeties and useless ol' grip safeties can only do so much. They still require a user to disable them and that user could still shoot himself or someone else on accident, or have a negligent discharge into his neighbors apartment. Sig Sauer has the best handgun safeties, in that they don't have them. They mostly conquer this by having a tough SA trigger pull but a light DA trigger pull, but even their P250 (striker fired) doesn't have a safety but still has a really really really nice trigger pull and I haven't seen rampant news reports of ND's all over the US. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;49806612]It was the receiver, and i've learned that it was apparently only painted, it was never blue'd in its lifetime. That is literally the only way that it could have happened. I'm going to have it blue'd at some point, but all of this is nice to know to calm her down and and assure her that its not her fault that the finish got stripped off the pretty gun I got her.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/metal-prep-coloring/metal-bluing/liquid-cold-bluing-chemicals/oxpho-blue--prod1072.aspx[/url] Seriously dood, it takes 5 minutes to blue it. Don't make a project out of it, just order the stuff and apply it.

"Don't want to get electrocuted? Don't get struck by lightning!" Accidents can happen. A mechanical safety is an extra step that can help prevent one where one might otherwise have occurred, particularly with platforms that are sensitive to physical shock or with particularly light trigger pulls. There's no reason to actively refuse to use a weapon that has a safety, that's just dumb.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807303]"Don't want to get electrocuted? Don't get struck by lightning!" Accidents can happen. A mechanical safety is an extra step that can help prevent one where one might otherwise have occurred, particularly with platforms that are sensitive to physical shock or with particularly light trigger pulls. There's no reason to actively refuse to use a weapon that has a safety, that's just dumb.[/QUOTE] If you don't want to get struck by lightning, don't go outside during a lightning storm carrying a 20ft antenna. If you don't want to shoot yourself on accident, don't point a fucking gun at yourself. Thats literally the most basic safety rule for firearms. I'm not saying avoid firearms with safeties, because safeties do have a purpose. But a gun with a safety isn't any less dangerous in the hands of a moron than a gun without a safety. I don't like safeties because they get in the way of me and the trigger. When you're put into a situation where you need to fire a handgun within a really short time frame, you don't want anything between you and pulling that trigger, so you want as few safeties as possible. Ideally, you'd only want (no) 1 safety; something like a trigger safety or a switch you can use your thumb to disable, you wouldn't want a moronic grip safety AND a trigger safety. If you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot, don't point a gun at your foot. If you don't want to have an ND and kill Grandma in the next room, don't put your finger on the trigger of a loaded gun in your house. If you don't want to accidentally shoot someone, don't point a gun at someone you don't intend to kill. This is basic gun safety and will prevent 100% of all gun accidents. Gun's don't just go off on their own, and if they do you can prevent any accidents with them by not loading these dangerous demon-possessed guns until you're ready to shoot them. A gun with a safety is no safer in the hands of a moron than a gun without a safety.

Many guns, particularly old guns, can be set off by physical shock. A mechanical safety that interrupts the hammer is a good thing. It's also not that hard to accidentally pull a trigger if it's light and you're moving quickly and nervously (in a theoretical self defense situation) which could endanger yourself or bystanders if you aren't prepared to fire, which is a situation that a grip safety or engaged manual safety could prevent. It's not that they're possessed and will jump up and go off by themselves, it's that it doesn't hurt to have something to stop the hammer from dropping in an unforeseen circumstance. Shit can happen. Yes, Cletus could just as easily blow his head off if he's deliberately avoiding the use of the safety, but I'd rather have it just in case Jedediah knocks my 1911 off the table at the gun range. Grip safeties prevent the gun from being fired if you don't have a safe grip on it. Under no circumstance should you be trying to discharge your weapon if you aren't holding it in a way that disengages the grip safety, period.

Ive heard of a few NDs that happened because the hammer got caught on some clothing while putting it into a pocket or holster. Those would have been avoided if they had a safety that blocks the firing pin. Also, like grenadiac says, take an old gun and drop it from 3 feet muzzle down, theres more than a slim chance it will go off. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] Or maybe youve got an ankle holster and you trip down the stairs or something. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] shit happens

[QUOTE=Birdman101;49807483]Ive heard of a few NDs that happened because the hammer got caught on some clothing while putting it into a pocket or holster. Those would have been avoided if they had a safety that blocks the firing pin. Also, like grenadiac says, take an old gun and drop it from 3 feet muzzle down, theres more than a slim chance it will go off. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] Or maybe youve got an ankle holster and you trip down the stairs or something. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] shit happens[/QUOTE] That sounds like something that could also be avoided if you carried a double-action rather than a cocked-and-locked single.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49807545]That sounds like something that could also be avoided if you carried a double-action rather than a cocked-and-locked single.[/QUOTE] Unless your single action is the gun you're more effective with, then you're going to want to carry it. And if it has a safety, you can do it, well, safely.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807553]Unless your single action is the gun you're more effective with, then you're going to want to carry it. And if it has a safety, you can do it, well, safely.[/QUOTE] nobody is more effective with a single action only gun. buy a da/sa in that case

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807553]Unless your single action is the gun you're more effective with, then you're going to want to carry it. And if it has a safety, you can do it, well, safely.[/QUOTE] If I was able to carry I'd find a SA/DA that I was effective with before doing it that would preferably be smaller than my P226, however there are 2 legal problems with that in Canada.

[QUOTE=butre;49807580]nobody is more effective with a single action only gun. buy a da/sa in that case[/QUOTE] I didn't mean that they were more effective simply because it happens to be SA. You might find that you shoot better with a particular gun that happens to be SAO. I'd prefer SA/DA myself but if I turned out to be really handy with a particular pistol that is SAO I'd probably rather carry it than a SA/DA that I was not as comfortable or accurate with.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807420]Many guns, particularly old guns, can be set off by physical shock. A mechanical safety that interrupts the hammer is a good thing.[/quote] Don't load a 100 year old rifle then throw it down the stairs??? [QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807420] It's also not that hard to accidentally pull a trigger if it's light and you're moving quickly and nervously (in a theoretical self defense situation) which could endanger yourself or bystanders if you aren't prepared to fire, which is a situation that a grip safety or engaged manual safety could prevent.[/quote] Grip safety wouldn't solve this issue. If your hand is already to the point where you can accidentally pull the trigger, you've already disabled the grip safety. This is why grip safeties are useless. Furthermore, would you leave the safety on until a millisecond before you're ready to shoot? probably not unless you want to get stabbed or something. [QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807420] It's not that they're possessed and will jump up and go off by themselves, it's that it doesn't hurt to have something to stop the hammer from dropping in an unforeseen circumstance. Shit can happen. Yes, Cletus could just as easily blow his head off if he's deliberately avoiding the use of the safety, but I'd rather have it just in case Jedediah knocks my 1911 off the table at the gun range.[/quote] Don't set a loaded gun down on a table next to a redneck with severe parkinson's. Yea accidents happen but 100% of them are preventable. Don't set your 1911 down halfway off the lip of the table while it's loaded and cocked. [QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807420]Grip safeties prevent the gun from being fired if you don't have a safe grip on it. Under no circumstance should you be trying to discharge your weapon if you aren't holding it in a way that disengages the grip safety, period.[/QUOTE] Not true but I'm not going to argue that as I've stated my opinion on this a dozen times over the past 8 years here. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807553]Unless your single action is the gun you're more effective with, then you're going to want to carry it. And if it has a safety, you can do it, well, safely.[/QUOTE] No. No matter what cowboy bullshit you believe in, a single action is inferior to a double action in literally every circumstance. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807600]I didn't mean that they were more effective simply because it happens to be SA. You might find that you shoot better with a particular gun that happens to be SAO. I'd prefer SA/DA myself but if I turned out to be really handy with a particular pistol that is SAO I'd probably rather carry it than a SA/DA that I was not as comfortable or accurate with.[/QUOTE] Most handguns with a hammer these days have the option of being SAO, DAO, or SA/DA. There is literally no excuse to carry an SAO in 2016.

I would prefer to have my SA 1911 at my side than a DAO Cobray Pocket Pal. You carry what you shoot best with out of what you have. Not everyone has enough money to go "oh my gun is objectively inferior better go buy a $2000 magic german gun that'll be obsolete next year when the trendy new model comes out" lmao. "There's no excuse to be carrying a 2016 USP in 2017, they just came out with electronic ignition!" Hell I'd rather carry my 1851 Navy than the Cobray. :v: "A 2017 USP? Get with the times, the 2018 sig jerks you off while you shoot it!"

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807689]I would prefer to have my SA 1911 at my side than a DAO Cobray Pocket Pal. You carry what you shoot best with out of what you have. Not everyone has enough money to go "oh my gun is objectively inferior better go buy a $2000 magic german gun that'll be obsolete next year when the trendy new model comes out" lmao. "There's no excuse to be carrying a 2016 USP in 2017, they just came out with electronic ignition!" Hell I'd rather carry my 1851 Navy than the Cobray. :v: "A 2017 USP? Get with the times, the 2018 sig jerks you off while you shoot it!"[/QUOTE] Nobody's saying you have to buy a new gun every year like it's some kind of purse and you're a shallow, self-absorbed LA fashionista, but I'd rather learn to use a gun that's safer than carry one that's not. My dad's better with his Hi-Power than his P99, but he'd still carry the P99 because he's still good with it and it's safer. And there's plenty of good carry guns that are sub-$800, even more sub-$1000, so you don't need to be spending $2000 on the latest racegun monstrosity to be shat out of HK.

My point is I don't carry my 1911 when I have something better, but I wouldn't carry something worse just because of the trigger setup or presence of a safety.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807689]I would prefer to have my SA 1911 at my side than a DAO Cobray Pocket Pal. You carry what you shoot best with out of what you have. Not everyone has enough money to go "oh my gun is objectively inferior better go buy a $2000 magic german gun that'll be obsolete next year when the trendy new model comes out" lmao. "There's no excuse to be carrying a 2016 USP in 2017, they just came out with electronic ignition!" Hell I'd rather carry my 1851 Navy than the Cobray. :v: "A 2017 USP? Get with the times, the 2018 sig jerks you off while you shoot it!"[/QUOTE] The fudd is strong in this one.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49807790]My point is I don't carry my 1911 when I have something better, but I wouldn't carry something worse just because of the trigger setup or presence of a safety.[/QUOTE] As long as I can still place 20/20 shots on an 8.5"x11" paper at 15 yards I would.

Question on gun safety here; typically when packing heat, do you have the magazine locked and loaded in your gun, or do you do something like have the magazine and gun separate but easily accessible, so when you get jumped you can at least quickly load and aim? Sorry if I seem clueless, it's because I am.

[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;49808013]Question on gun safety here; typically when packing heat, do you have the magazine locked and loaded in your gun, or do you do something like have the magazine and gun separate but easily accessible, so when you get jumped you can at least quickly load and aim? Sorry if I seem clueless, it's because I am.[/QUOTE] Loaded with a round in the chamber, else don't carry it at all. If you need to pull a gun, you need it to go bang when you pull that trigger as fast as possible. Any hindrance to that puts your safety at risk. If you point it at a guy trying to stab you and it goes click because it's got no mag, you're dead. Most cases where you need it you need to get it out fast and it needs to be a surprise to the person threatening you, needing to put a mag in it after pulling it out is time wasted off the surprise factor, and you're likely to get shot/stabbed while trying to load your gun.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49808044]Loaded with a round in the chamber, else don't carry it at all. If you need to pull a gun, you need it to go bang when you pull that trigger as fast as possible. Any hindrance to that puts your safety at risk. If you point it at a guy trying to stab you and it goes click because it's got no mag, you're dead. Most cases where you need it you need to get it out fast and it needs to be a surprise to the person threatening you, needing to put a mag in it after pulling it out is time wasted off the surprise factor, and you're likely to get shot/stabbed while trying to load your gun.[/QUOTE] Makes sense. Cheers

Any gun that's for a quick reaction time scenario you generally want chamber loaded.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49807545]That sounds like something that could also be avoided if you carried a double-action rather than a cocked-and-locked single.[/QUOTE] Actually in one of the stories it was a P64, so DA/SA, and he was carrying one in the chamber, safety off, hammer down. He was intending on using the stiff DA pull as a safety-ish thing, but some years the P64 had a triangular hammer rather than a round one, and the edge caught some clothing, pulled back far enough, and dropped, bang, hole in the dudes jacket and floor. Thats why I carry mine the same way but with the safety on, because the safety both disengages the trigger [I]and[/I] blocks the firing pin. The safety is right above my thumb so I can disengage it while pulling it out and it barely slows down my draw at all.

Exact same way the safety on my 4506 works. Though I do like my dad's czp07

Y'know I WAS gonna reply to this Cyke character but after reading the rest of his posts I'm entirely convinced he's the devil. Not gonna bother with that. [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=butre;49807580]nobody is more effective with a single action only gun. buy a da/sa in that case[/QUOTE] [video=youtube_share;xRXXxQ1OuDc]http://youtu.be/xRXXxQ1OuDc?t=83[/video] ?