[QUOTE=MAC21500;49934779]Czechs trying to modernize their handguns while making it look like something from the early 1900s:
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/03/14/7-5-fk-field-pistol-from-brno-defense/[/url]
[img]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/640x520.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
It's interesting I'll give it that. So basically it's a CZ-75 with some added parts and a goofey rear sight that uses what's roughly a 10mm necked down to a .30cal bullet shooting 100gr pills at 2,000 fps.
Hot Czech Tokarev loads got you in that ball park with a 90gr bullet, why reinvent the wheel.
The CMP changed delivery windows from 30-45 days to 1-3 months :(
I emailed them to see if I got my order in before the change or not.
god I figured out 3, 7, 12, and 13 between throws while I was playing frisbee golf but didn't get a chance to post
The only other things that clog up the thread are shitposts and dumb arguments, so why not?
[QUOTE=Ridge;49938280]The CMP changed delivery windows from 30-45 days to 1-3 months :(
I emailed them to see if I got my order in before the change or not.[/QUOTE]
I'm right there with you, sent in the order beginning of February but still got fucked. Had we ordered literally a week before then, we would already have them by now.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49938119]It's interesting I'll give it that. So basically it's a CZ-75 with some added parts and a goofey rear sight that uses what's roughly a 10mm necked down to a .30cal bullet shooting 100gr pills at 2,000 fps.
Hot Czech Tokarev loads got you in that ball park with a 90gr bullet, why reinvent the wheel.[/QUOTE]
The Czechs have been quite successful when it came to unique and successful firearms development, so I'll be curious to see where this goes.
It may just end up as another 6.5x25 CBJ wunder cartridge that goes nowhere.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49938793]The Czechs have been quite successful when it came to unique and successful firearms development, so I'll be curious to see where this goes.
It may just end up as another 6.5x25 CBJ wunder cartridge that goes nowhere.[/QUOTE]
That's my feel on the matter. While it may offer a lot of energy the same can be achieved with rounds already in existence, and what it does is not substantially better than whats currently available.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49938829]That's my feel on the matter. While it may offer a lot of energy the same can be achieved with rounds already in existence, and what it does is not substantially better than whats currently available.[/QUOTE]
It's in its infancy, and yea, Russian 9x19 +P+ AP can do that, but that's pushing 9x19 to it's limit.
One could almost call this a PDW cartridge when compared to 5.7x28 or 4.6x30.
There have been a number of bottleneck pistol cartridges since 7.62x25 Tokarev and 7.63x25 Mauser, and in recent memory, none have been a particular success or failure.
In years past, they tried making "Super" variants of common pistol cartridges which enjoy little notoriety, save maybe .38 Super which is still used in competition.
That's not going to change until the US or another major power switches calibers, and that is very unlikely considering the budget cuts, even considering the MH 17 program in the US.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49939243]It's in its infancy, and yea, Russian 9x19 +P+ AP can do that, but that's pushing 9x19 to it's limit.
One could almost call this a PDW cartridge when compared to 5.7x28 or 4.6x30.
There have been a number of bottleneck pistol cartridges since 7.62x25 Tokarev and 7.63x25 Mauser, and in recent memory, none have been a particular success or failure.
In years past, they tried making "Super" variants of common pistol cartridges which enjoy little notoriety, save maybe .38 Super which is still used in competition.
That's not going to change until the US or another major power switches calibers, and that is very unlikely considering the budget cuts, even considering the MH 17 program in the US.[/QUOTE]
The other thing is it's a handgun, a defensive weapon. Even this cartridge is "weak" compared to rifle caliber rounds. It fills a niche that no military would use and only a handful of people would need. If it does cause a stir it'll probably fizzle out just like .357 Sig.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;49939243]It's in its infancy, and yea, Russian 9x19 +P+ AP can do that, but that's pushing 9x19 to it's limit.
One could almost call this a PDW cartridge when compared to 5.7x28 or 4.6x30.
There have been a number of bottleneck pistol cartridges since 7.62x25 Tokarev and 7.63x25 Mauser, and in recent memory, none have been a particular success or failure.
In years past, they tried making "Super" variants of common pistol cartridges which enjoy little notoriety, save maybe .38 Super which is still used in competition.
That's not going to change until the US or another major power switches calibers, and that is very unlikely considering the budget cuts, even considering the MH 17 program in the US.[/QUOTE]
With a quick spring replacement I can shoot 45 super out of my S&W. The hard part is finding 45 super :v:
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49939260]The other thing is it's a handgun, a defensive weapon. Even this cartridge is "weak" compared to rifle caliber rounds. It fills a niche that no military would use and only a handful of people would need. If it does cause a stir it'll probably fizzle out just like .357 Sig.[/QUOTE]
Out of a 12" PDW barrel it may perform even better, but at that point, 7.62x39 would perform the same or better and so would .300BLK.
I wish they'd come up with a caliber that is more terminally effective and accurate out of the 10" ARs they insist on using and NOT .300BLK or .458 SOCOM, .50 Beowulf...
This is just another step in the long road towards the ideal caliber/cartridge configuration.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49938398]I believe you, pal
#9, 12, and 13 are really pretty quirky and unusual, even here
[editline]15th March 2016[/editline]
I might do another one soon again, but is there real interest for it? or is it clogging up the thread?[/QUOTE]
9 is weird, I thought it might have been 8mm breda originally but wasn't sure because I had never seen a cartridge in such good condition. 12 and 13 are unusual as hell too but I could tell they were 8mm rounds and that's a funky bullet size so it was some easy process of elimination.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49939343]With a quick spring replacement I can shoot 45 super out of my S&W. The hard part is finding 45 super :v:[/QUOTE]
Not that hard to find, just expensive.
As long as it's only available in an oddball proprietary cartridge I won't even entertain the idea of owning one because odds are the ammo won't be made in 10 years, [I]if[/I] that. A ton of these cool sounding "revolutionary!" carts go out of style in a couple years and you never hear about them again. If they did a 9mm version I'd seriously consider buying one just because it looks like a neat gun.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49939365]I feel like this round is much more suitable for a PDW/carbine type gun.
most european armies are replacing their old 9x19 SMGs and/or pistols for PDW calibres
MP2 (UZI) and MP5 for the MP7 in Germany
MP5 for the MP7 in Norway
Browning HP for the Five-Seven and P90 in Belgium
and so on.
we all remember what happened with the HK UCP in 4,6x30, it got shelved as the performance was eventually found to be piss poor in a pistol barrel. in the longer barrel of the MP7 though it works quite well.
betting that if this 7,5 round catches on, it's going to be in some sort of SMG/PDW [I]eventually[/I]
[editline]15th March 2016[/editline]
7,62x25 could probably make a comeback someday, to a form of PDW/SMG type gun, but idk who would reuse that instead of making up their own proprietary unicorn fart powered round
[editline]15th March 2016[/editline]
and at least in Germany, Norway and a couple other, PDWs are taking over completely for SMGs/machine pistols in crew and medic roles.
in Norway the medic corps issue the P80 (G17) and MP5 for regular units, in part due to certain agreements and treaties saying that medical personnel should carry weapons strictly for defensive purposes. now they are all getting replaced with the MP7. I believe they are issued with 1 20 round mag inserted and several 30 rounders kept spare in the vest.[/QUOTE]
Everyone is buying the HK needlegun kool-aid, eh?
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49939512]
compare the users of the p90 and mp7, the p90 has like three times the userbase compared to that of the mp7
still get what you mean
5,7x28 seems to me, in my uninformed opinion, like it would be superior[/QUOTE]
Helps when they actually sell it to the public :V
So I purchased four brand new Double Alpha Academy Racer magazine pouches from a guy at the club. He mistakenly purchased right hand pouches (he is left handed) and didn't bother returning them for some reason, so I purchased them from him with a nice reduction in price. Next up I'll purchase a belt and underbelt from another guy, and perhaps even his DAA Race Master holster for his Glock 17, if it will fit my Grand Power K100 that is.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/0rccrnW.jpg[/img]
So Crazy Croatian Boris came and left me some 8mm ammo, about 34 rounds. Some of it is old as fuck Winchester 236 grain, some of it is S&B 196 grain FMJ, and some of it is Remington and noticeably shorter than the rest. I guess it's either 150 or 170 grain.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/FLjEwFQ.jpg[/t]
I measured the S&B and Remington with calipers. The S&B was 78.9mm, the Remington was 72.5, which is almost the lowest [url=http://www.saami.org/pubresources/cc_drawings/Rifle/8mm%20Mauser.pdf]SAAMI specifies one round can be.[/url] Do you guys think that short one is safe to fire? It's technically within SAAMI specs.
It's for manufacturing standardization, something for the legal teams and for the reloaders to follow. If you hand load, the COAL is more of a suggestion than rigid standard as long as you are not severely under sizing the COAL. Many Encores get rounds loaded with stupidly long cartridge lengths that would stop any other mag fed gun because the gun's design allows it.
So reddit thinks that the Winchester stuff is from the '30s or earlier. If that's the case it's the oldest gun-related thing I own.
[editline]16th March 2016[/editline]
I learned that Winchester stamped a date code on the top of the case. The date code on that is 3-24. I think this means it was made in March of 1924, making it 92 years old.
Here's some pics of it:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/p2WkTeX.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/NGl1N77.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/R4vIgNz.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/NWmbAm3.jpg[/t]
I was gonna get a FEG hipower with my refund moneys, but classicfirearms went out of stock, so I went to the gun store to look at 9mms to fill the void. In the "under $500 non-shit" category, there was a couple rugers, but I didnt really care for them. The one that caught my eye was a Sig SP2022 for $430. Anyone here shoot one? What did you think?
[QUOTE=Birdman101;49942169]I was gonna get a FEG hipower with my refund moneys, but classicfirearms went out of stock, so I went to the gun store to look at 9mms to fill the void. In the "under $500 non-shit" category, there was a couple rugers, but I didnt really care for them. The one that caught my eye was a Sig SP2022 for $430. Anyone here shoot one? What did you think?[/QUOTE]
Eh, maybe I've been spoiled by my 226 but it feels like a shill of what the 226 is. It's sigs budget gun. I wouldn't call it terrible but compared to what else is out there in that ballpark it seems kinda lack luster.
Checkout the lionheart lh9. They make a model that starts around $399, which for an all metal SA/DA gun is pretty damn good. It also uses S&W 5900 series mags so they are plentiful.
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;49938718]I'm right there with you, sent in the order beginning of February but still got fucked. Had we ordered literally a week before then, we would already have them by now.[/QUOTE]
They responded back to me this morning.
[QUOTE=The CMP]Sir,
We apologize for the delay but due to the amount of mail received we have not made it to your order yet. You will receive an email once the order is entered into your account. The rifles are on backorder while the armorers get more worked. There is no way to know for sure how long that will take.
Thank you,
CMP Customer Service[/QUOTE]
So much for "shipping time from placing order"
This is why I hate letter-based ordering. The only way to know if your order made it there is by purchasing tracking, and then it disappears into a void of physical mail at their office.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49945097]They responded back to me this morning.
So much for "shipping time from placing order"
This is why I hate letter-based ordering. The only way to know if your order made it there is by purchasing tracking, and then it disappears into a void of physical mail at their office.[/QUOTE]
Even non-letter services can take forever. Ruger has a program they offer during the summer where if you sell so many rugers you can get free guns and accessories. I sold enough to get a free special edition 22/45 and I've been waiting 5 months for it to ship.
I can almost understand that, because it's free, so it's low priority for them. I'm throwing $800 minimum at the CMP and a month and a half later, they haven't even opened my envelope yet.
You also ordered it at tax refund time, when I'm sure they get overflowed with orders.
From what the CMP forums said, they got a shipment of M1 Carbines and a ton of people ordered those on the spot as well as M1's because why the fuck not. Literally in January people were getting their's in a month.
Thanks to Obamacare, instead of getting a $1200 tax return back, I owe the govt $2,400 because I switched jobs, trippled my income, and got off Obamacare. Thanks IRS!!
[QUOTE=Birdman101;49942169]I was gonna get a FEG hipower with my refund moneys, but classicfirearms went out of stock, so I went to the gun store to look at 9mms to fill the void. In the "under $500 non-shit" category, there was a couple rugers, but I didnt really care for them. The one that caught my eye was a Sig SP2022 for $430. Anyone here shoot one? What did you think?[/QUOTE]
You can get a CZ P07 $455 or P09 $464 for under $500 from Buds Gunshop right now.
[url]http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=CZ&osCsid=n9426qocefqi4qcoqi7cgeqcl7&x=0&y=0[/url]
Taurus PT92 also fits the bill. One of only 2 Taurus's I'd recommend.
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