Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50024604]A guy's just offered me a Century L1A1 for my MP-15 (the one I [I]just[/I] got a golf ball launcher for). I've heard wildly varying reviews on these but I really, really want a FAL. What are your thoughts? What should I look out for?[/QUOTE] It was a century build, so do what the mod says. DO NOT BUY IT. They are disasters as they mixed in metric and inch parts when the built them. Hell, they didn't even keep the parts kits together. They would separate all the parts into bins of the same part and just grab what ever part they needed in the bin. There's a reason as to why the Century FALs are around $600.

They apparently did higher end builds as well off Imbel receivers with matching parts. I'm gonna at least take a look at it. I've seen a lot of mismatched tragedies though so far. I don't know which this is (guy just asked if I'd consider a Century L1A1). Waiting for pics.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50024164]Are safes prohibitively expensive in Denmark? They're pretty cheap in America. I can get a decent fireproof heavy duty rifle safe that'll hold 6-12 rifles for like $500. And that's retail.[/QUOTE] Well, the government recently updated the safety requirements of weapons safes, and that made them a bit more expensive. You can still get a rifle safe from 600USD and up, or a small pistol safe for 300USD, both of which meet the official requirements. In my case it's just as much a question of space, or rather lack thereof. When you live in a tiny, rented, 3rd floor apartment, having to bolt the safe to the floor isn't exactly a cheap or easy solution, when you will probably move out at some point. [editline]29th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50021054]I don't think Danes should be allowed to own rifles, if you stand in Århus and shoot over the backstop you'll kill someone in Odense :v:[/QUOTE] You are just afraid that the militias will rearm and invade you again. Fun fact, my rifle union was actually founded as a militia back in 1861. Also it will be my job of ensuring that people are competent enough [B]not[/B] to shoot over the backstop.

He says it's an Imbel receiver with a BSA parts kit. Comes with a scope. Pictures soon, waiting to see the furniture on it but I'm probably gonna go for it because these are supposedly the good ones. [quote]I got it from an individual so I only know it was put together by Century. It is a British parts kit on an Imbel receiver, has a Bushnell 10X mildot scope, fairly recent duracoat olive green paint. It's a great shooter, adjustable gas system works fine. Comes with 2 metric mags, a manual and several boxes of ammo. I have experienced no issues in around 100 rounds fired[/quote]

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50029149]He says it's an Imbel receiver with a BSA parts kit. Comes with a scope. Pictures soon, waiting to see the furniture on it but I'm probably gonna go for it because these are supposedly the good ones.[/QUOTE] British parts kit using metric mags? Wouldn't have guessed they'd have used a metric receiver for that, but it is CAI after all. That would make logistics a lot easier at least, a lot more metric options than inch options when it comes to mags.

The inch pattern rifles will take metric magazines, so it could be either. e: oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, Imbels are metric. I wouldn't have expected parts to interchange but if it works, it works. I'm gonna try and meet the guy on a range to test fire the rifle.

[media]http://imgur.com/a/mquqL[/media] Looks like one of the early pre-ban builds from what I can tell. Has the folding charging handle, etc. Only thing I'm iffy about is the total lack of a flash hider. But, uh...

Don't trade your hardware. The gamble is never worth it.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50030222][media]http://imgur.com/a/mquqL[/media] Looks like one of the early pre-ban builds from what I can tell. Has the folding charging handle, etc. Only thing I'm iffy about is the total lack of a flash hider. But, uh...[/QUOTE] Might have been a ban era that originally had a thumb hole stock. Without test shooting it I'd still be weary, not to mention stepping into .308 is going to double your ammo costs. AR-15's are easy, unless somethings out of spec diagnosing and fixing them isn't difficult. FAL's can be a bit tricky, especially when they're coming from a manufacturer whose known to have cobbled them together. If it runs great it'll be a fantastic rifle though, and getting the barrel threaded isn't that difficult.

We're gonna meet at a range to test fire. I barely shot the AR15 anyway. If it runs good I'm gonna go for it I think, I've always wanted a FAL and don't really care for modern ARs.

My M1 Carbine is fixed. No electrical tape. I ordered an M2 Magazine Catch and it worked great. Haven't shot it but I cycled a couple mags through it and no jam ups.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50030314]We're gonna meet at a range to test fire. I barely shot the AR15 anyway. If it runs good I'm gonna go for it I think, I've always wanted a FAL and don't really care for modern ARs.[/QUOTE] I have a FAL and an AR, and I don't think there are many situations in which I'd rather have a FAL over an AR in 5.56; the SCAR H is the new FAL anyway.

I have another, less raily AR-15 if a situation should arise in which I desperately need a 5.56 and nothing else. I just want a neat range toy :v:

I'd still take a PTR91 over both the SCAR and FAL. Cheap mags than the SCAR and more accurate than a FAL.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50029149]He says it's an Imbel receiver with a BSA parts kit. Comes with a scope. Pictures soon, waiting to see the furniture on it but I'm probably gonna go for it because these are supposedly the good ones.[/QUOTE] no no no no no It's century built it's shit. Especially since they're mixing Metric and Inch parts. Bushnell scopes are shit and so is duracoat, if you ever want to change it duracoat is a bitch to remove and mags aren't expensive enough that those are really making it a better deal. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50030222][media]http://imgur.com/a/mquqL[/media] Looks like one of the early pre-ban builds from what I can tell. Has the folding charging handle, etc. Only thing I'm iffy about is the total lack of a flash hider. But, uh...[/QUOTE] What the fuck where is the muzzle device? It doesn't even look like the barrel is threaded. Was it cut off and recrowned? No deal. Don't trade a perfectly functioning AR-15 for that thing dude. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lone_Star94;50030857]I'd still take a PTR91 over both the SCAR and FAL. Cheap mags than the SCAR and more accurate than a FAL.[/QUOTE] FAL > PTR91 Sorry not sorry.

[img_thumb]https://finncdn.no/dynamic/1600w/2015/4/vertical-5/21/1/582/793/11_1692074472.jpg[/img_thumb] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3amzB_hVUw[/media] $960, should I? It even comes with an original magazine that works according to the seller. At most I'll be shooting like 100-200 rounds with it per year in competitions and I want one because I also have a boner weird/unusual guns The gun has been on sale for atleast 2, maybe 3 months now, so I think I might be able to haggle abit with him too.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50031481]no no no no no It's century built it's shit. Especially since they're mixing Metric and Inch parts. Bushnell scopes are shit and so is duracoat, if you ever want to change it duracoat is a bitch to remove and mags aren't expensive enough that those are really making it a better deal. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] What the fuck where is the muzzle device? It doesn't even look like the barrel is threaded. Was it cut off and recrowned? No deal. Don't trade a perfectly functioning AR-15 for that thing dude. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] FAL > PTR91 Sorry not sorry.[/QUOTE] Everything I'm reading suggests that the Imbel+BSA builds are the exception to the Century rule. I'm not buying it for the scope, which I'll probably pull off at the earliest opportunity. I'll be test-firing the rifle and if I run into any problems with it or it doesn't feel like it's put together right I'm gonna hand it back to him and go home. It does look like the threads have been cut off, which is strange. If the rifle does anything funny while I'm test firing it I'm not gonna make the trade. A FAL in good working order in exchange for an AR15 that I barely shoot sounds like a good deal to me.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50033222]Just, what? G3/HK91/PTR91 rifles are much more accurate than a standard FAL type. One reason being the vast difference in mechanism and how the barrel is free floating on the HK type. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] and that FAL does look really fucked in some weird way. the rear of the receiver, the stock and grip just look very very odd to me. probably had a thumbhole stock at some point. just looks incredibly off?[/QUOTE] Prusse, sometimes it's not about accuracy. If your heart wants a FAL, then all the PTR91s in the world wouldn't be able to fill that void in its place.

The lower does look like it's longer in the rear than I'd expect it to be. I'm not sure if the furniture is showing more steel than I'm used to or if Century built them like that -- but FAL lowers are cheap and plentiful if it's actually been built that way.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50033259]The lower does look like it's longer in the rear than I'd expect it to be. I'm not sure if the furniture is showing more steel than I'm used to or if Century built them like that -- but FAL lowers are cheap and plentiful if it's actually been built that way.[/QUOTE] If you do decide to go through with the trade make sure you get pictures/a copy of their licence and permits, along with a written bill of sale. You want to cover your butt as much as possible in the event that that AR gets used in a precarious situation, lawful or otherwise.

There's no licensing or permits required for AR-15s in Texas :v: but a bill of sale I do intend to get.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50033259]The lower does look like it's longer in the rear than I'd expect it to be. I'm not sure if the furniture is showing more steel than I'm used to or if Century built them like that -- but FAL lowers are cheap and plentiful if it's actually been built that way.[/QUOTE] Why trade for a gun that looks extremely fucky and you may potentially have to dump money into to get it functioning properly? If you want an FAL, buy a new DSA instead of a famously garbage Centarms build.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50033500]Why trade for a gun that looks extremely fucky and you may potentially have to dump money into to get it functioning properly? If you want an FAL, buy a new DSA instead of a famously garbage Centarms build.[/QUOTE] A 60 round test run will be enough to determine if it's going to regularly have problems as a range toy. If it's fucky I'll know. I'd love a new DSA but I don't have the cash in the immediate term to dump on a brand new rifle, let alone something that high end. Again, I'm just a hobby shooter, I'm not trying to take over the world. 5.56 costs almost as much as .308 here and it's nowhere near as satisfying to operate or shoot as something like a FAL. e: I dunno, after looking at prices for some DSA Voyagers I'm thinking I could definitely get a better deal than this after all. You guys are right, I'm not gonna touch it. Thanks for saving my ass. I'm gonna talk to a local gun store and see about getting a Voyager in.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50033553] Again, I'm just a hobby shooter, I'm not trying to take over the world. 5.56 costs almost as much as .308 here and it's nowhere near as satisfying to operate or shoot as something like a FAL. [/QUOTE] Unless you live in Europe or something, theres no way 223/556 costs more/same as 308. ZQI ammo is sold by walmart; boxes of 30 at $9. Brass cased and steel cored and made in a military factory. Even if you can't find ZQI in your local walmart, you can find it online very easily. Literally no reason you should be paying more than 30-40c a round for 556.

I live in Texas. The cheapest I can find is Wolf which I don't really want to feed my guns; the next cheapest decent ammo is like 60-70 cents a round. Since this is a fudd town 308 is widely available at around the same price point. Also, I've never seen 30 round boxes of 5.56/.223. It always comes in 20 round boxes or on 10 round stripper clips.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50033712]I live in Texas. The cheapest I can find is Wolf which I don't really want to feed my guns; the next cheapest decent ammo is like 60-70 cents a round. Since this is a fudd town 308 is widely available at around the same price point. Also, I've never seen 30 round boxes of 5.56/.223. It always comes in 20 round boxes or on 10 round stripper clips.[/QUOTE] Go to Walmart, then go to sporting goods. Green boxes marked "ZQI 5.56". They're $9.99 a box with 30 rounds per box. Or buy them off [URL="http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A556MKE&name=ZQI++(MKE)+.223%2f5.56x45+62grn+SS109+30rd+Box&groupid=21"]aimsurplus[/URL]

Walmart here only has Tula/Wolf and Winchester, both of which are overpriced (tula is $10 for 20), unless they only recently started stocking this stuff they don't have it in mine.

Just got a notice that my pistol was transferred and called Browning up. I asked them to send me tracking info when it ships so I know where it is and that they actually sent it, but barring any more crap it should ship out today or tomorrow. I should hopefully have it in time for April 10th.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50033712]I live in Texas. The cheapest I can find is Wolf which I don't really want to feed my guns; the next cheapest decent ammo is like 60-70 cents a round. Since this is a fudd town 308 is widely available at around the same price point. Also, I've never seen 30 round boxes of 5.56/.223. It always comes in 20 round boxes or on 10 round stripper clips.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.cheaperthandirt.net/search.do?query=5.56+ammo&sku_instock_b=true[/url] It's going for approximately ~40-50 cents a round here, dependent on shipping.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50033222]Just, what? G3/HK91/PTR91 rifles are much more accurate than a standard FAL type. One reason being the vast difference in mechanism and how the barrel is free floating on the HK type.[/QUOTE] G3's and their production counterparts are horrendously overpriced for what they are (glorified FALs). The increase in accuracy doesn't justify the price hike (my FAL is 1MOA accurate at 100 yards, that's more than good enough). Not to mention FALs are generally sturdier and more dependable. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50033426]If you do decide to go through with the trade make sure you get pictures/a copy of their licence and permits, along with a written bill of sale. You want to cover your butt as much as possible in the event that that AR gets used in a precarious situation, lawful or otherwise.[/QUOTE] When I do bills of sale it's hard enough for me to get their license number to put on the damn thing. I can't imagine anyone would be happy about letting some stranger take and keep a PICTURE of their license. I honestly just stopped doing BoS' anyway. I tell them I'll be requiring it and if they're squirrely about it I don't do the sale, then I don't bother. I keep screenshots of the conversation leading up to the sale and confirmation of the sale. That's enough for me. If anything ever happens I can just be like "Nah I sold that gun a year and a half ago. Here's the mobile # of the dude I sold it to, here's the conversation, want a copy?" [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50033482]StG-58 is objectively the best looking FAL model and if you think something else you're wrong [IMG]http://personal.inet.fi/koti/simon_siivut/aseet/stg-58/stg58_radalla1p.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I love the STG-58 model. That's the stock kit I got when I got my wood stock. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50034653]Walmart here only has Tula/Wolf and Winchester, both of which are overpriced (tula is $10 for 20), unless they only recently started stocking this stuff they don't have it in mine.[/QUOTE] Buy Tula/Wolf and shoot that you baby. If your gun can't handle steel case it's not worth owning.