the steel casings are way softer than the steel of your chamber
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50037583]what they are (glorified FALs).[/quote]
Lol what.
[quote]The increase in accuracy doesn't justify the price hike[/quote]
Price hike? Do you know what cetme clones go for in relation to quality FALs? Using genuine HK91s as a baseline is stupid.
[quote](my FAL is 1MOA accurate at 100 yards[/QUOTE]
I guarantee you it is not. You're flat out lying, ignorant, or have one of the most capable rifles of that pattern on the planet. You would be lucky to have a 2 MOA rifle.
I would definitely rather own a good FAL because of the cool factor but they are generally not more practical rifles.
It's not the cases that I care about it's the pain in the ass to clean it after, tula has been filthy in my experience.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;50038443]Lol what.
Price hike? Do you know what cetme clones go for in relation to quality FALs? Using genuine HK91s as a baseline is stupid.
I guarantee you it is not. You're flat out lying, ignorant, or have one of the most capable rifles of that pattern on the planet. You would be lucky to have a 2 MOA rifle.
I would definitely rather own a good FAL because of the cool factor but they are generally not more practical rifles.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like getting 1 MOA out of an FAL is impossible, It's not. Yeah your run of the mill FAL will get 3-4 MOA but with a good barrel and ammunition 1 MOA is definitely achievable. So to flat out call him a liar would be unfair. I know people that have gotten 1.25" MOA out of DSA's using normal ammo (not match or surplus) so it's not that far out of the realm of possibility.
You guys seem to like battle rifles, too bad you can`t get your hands on SIG 510s aka StGw 57s.
Mmmm look at this 7.5mm goodness
[IMG]http://www.waffenzimmi.ch/images/occasionen/Sturmgewehr%2057%20Schweizer%20Armee%208331_1.jpg[/IMG]
It's too bad surplus ammo is getting ridiculously expensive.
Yeah I can't seem to find 7.5x55 for less than a dollar a round here. It's always so expensive.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50041299]surplus ammo, here? in anything else than 7,62x51, 7,62x63 and 7,92x57? as if..
only source for ammo in 7,5x55/gp11 would be PPU special orders and very expensive norma..
so I'll buy a cheap single stage press and a bunch of cases[/QUOTE]
You still have surplus 8mm and .30-06 in Norwegia? Mind sending some of that my way? Surplus for anything not Russian almost doesn't exist here anymore.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50040464]You make it sound like getting 1 MOA out of an FAL is impossible[/QUOTE]
It's so incredibly unlikely that I'm not going to take someone who thinks a $2000 DSA is cheaper than a $750 CETME's word for it.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;50042376]It's so incredibly unlikely that I'm not going to take someone who thinks a $2000 DSA is cheaper than a $750 CETME's word for it.[/QUOTE]
on that note are the cetme rifles any good? arent they cobbled
parts kits like the FAL's?
[QUOTE=dude709;50042916]on that note are the cetme rifles any good? arent they cobbled
parts kits like the FAL's?[/QUOTE]
Depends. Kind of the same story in regards to the Century built rifles. Don't even get me started on the Hesse/Vulcan builds.
Rather get a PTR-91 GI anyway. Under $1000 and comes with a match barrel.
[QUOTE=dude709;50042916]on that note are the cetme rifles any good? arent they cobbled
parts kits like the FAL's?[/QUOTE]
The Cetme rifles from Century are still bad, not as bad as they were before, but still pale in comparison to a PTR91. Generally, if the gun did not come front a factory that you can trace the gun back to, like the Zastava AKs or Canik guns, don't trust it. It was more than likely assembled by angry monkeys.
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[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50042952]
Rather get a PTR-91 GI anyway. Under $1000 and comes with a match barrel.[/QUOTE]
This is why I love the PTR91. It's cheaper, has decent accuracy out of the box, and cheap mags. Next best FAL I would trust is $1500.
Yeah I really want to pick up the 16" PTR91 some day...
After a long wait, it finally came in. Ridge you are going to love your M1.
[url]http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/PCho222/slideshow/M1%20Garand[/url]
[T]http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/PCho222/M1%20Garand/20160330_172601_zpsbelrrcxn.jpg[/T]
[T]http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/PCho222/M1%20Garand/20160330_172842_zpsfttsndlr.jpg[/T]
So some of you may remember I was doing a rebuild on a Sig P220. For those of you who don't I'll Include the previous photos. I took it out today and it was very pleasant to shoot, although the recoil was quite a bit more than my FNX-45
[img]http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/UncleJimmema/12196068_10205170197556148_3553139098157095564_n.jpg[/img]
So the gun started as a base model 220 police trade in. Somewhere in it's adventures someone tried to clean it with oven cleaner or something and completely fucked the anodizing.
So I had it Cerakoted.
[img]http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/UncleJimmema/12212297_10205229198831143_1471738699_n.jpg[/img]
Then after getting all of that complete the waiting for parts began. The company I work for has some connections so I can get just about whatever, I just have to wait for it. Well most of the stuff I ordered finally showed up yesterday so I put her together.
[img]http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/UncleJimmema/image-19664.jpeg[/img]
Internal upgrades include 20lbs main spring and SRT. I put on a set of 8/8 X-Ray sights, same sights used on the new legion.
[img]http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/UncleJimmema/IMG_20160331_193017119.jpg[/img]
Excuse my poor camera phone quality.
So all that's left to do is throw in a threaded barrel for my SD45 can and swap the trigger. I've got a grayguns PSAIT trigger (same as in the legions) for it, problem is this 220 is the earlier "thin trigger" model (It has the rolled steel slide and all) so as it sits it's too wide to fit. So my options are either to have my gunsmith mill it down, which he would for a good price, or save it for my next project which will be a P228.
[QUOTE=dude709;50042916]on that note are the cetme rifles any good? arent they cobbled
parts kits like the FAL's?[/QUOTE]
mostly, yeah. a g3 though is a cetme pattern that isn't shit
[QUOTE=mastermaul;50038443]Lol what.
Price hike? Do you know what cetme clones go for in relation to quality FALs? Using genuine HK91s as a baseline is stupid.
I guarantee you it is not. You're flat out lying, ignorant, or have one of the most capable rifles of that pattern on the planet. You would be lucky to have a 2 MOA rifle.
I would definitely rather own a good FAL because of the cool factor but they are generally not more practical rifles.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean "what" do you not know the history of the firearm? The FAL (G1) came first, and the Bundesgrenzschutz adopted the FAL over the CETME rifles in '56. It wasn't until '59 that the Bundeswehr adopted the CETME and began production as the G3, and the biggest reason for that is because FN wouldn't give Germany production rights to the FAL.
Also G3 replicas don't have a "chill" on price. You either pay $700 and get a piece of shit CentArms CETME, or you pay more than a FAL costs and get a shiny new production H&K or Replica.
And I can guarantee you it is. My FAL is built on a new production receiver and new production barrel. It's MOA accurate. Just because your experience with FAL rifles is bad doesn't give you the right to generalize the entire series as "inaccurate crap". Granted there is definitely variance on MOA, it's not sub-moa by any means and it can definitely get closer to 2MOA depending on what I'm doing but it is extremely accurate.
Also my FAL weighs less than any PTR91 I've ever handled.
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[QUOTE=mamba zamba;50040619]You guys seem to like battle rifles, too bad you can`t get your hands on SIG 510s aka StGw 57s.
Mmmm look at this 7.5mm goodness
[IMG]http://www.waffenzimmi.ch/images/occasionen/Sturmgewehr%2057%20Schweizer%20Armee%208331_1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Give me that.
[editline]31st March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=mastermaul;50042376]It's so incredibly unlikely that I'm not going to take someone who thinks a $2000 DSA is cheaper than a $750 CETME's word for it.[/QUOTE]
Who said anything about DSA's overpriced shit?
My FAL is a rebuilt Brazilian Imbel with a Connan Type 3 receiver & a new production American barrel. Can't remember the company off the top of my head, and don't feel like taking off my stock to find the name.
That being said you can get a DSA Voyager for $1000, and if you seriously think a CentArms CETME is a good rifle you're delusional. If you want to talk about a jankey inaccurate piece of shit, there's your rifle.
whats you guys' opinion on the bear creek AR15? I kinda wanna get one as babbys first AR, and for 500$ why the hell not?
[QUOTE=Birdman101;50044545]whats you guys' opinion on the bear creek AR15? I kinda wanna get one as babbys first AR, and for 500$ why the hell not?[/QUOTE]
Isn't that the brand that always rebrands itself because it turns out to be shit? Or am I mistaken?
[QUOTE=Vaun Strungel;50045128]Isn't that the brand that always rebrands itself because it turns out to be shit? Or am I mistaken?[/QUOTE]
You're thinking of Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorn
[QUOTE=Birdman101;50044545]whats you guys' opinion on the bear creek AR15? I kinda wanna get one as babbys first AR, and for 500$ why the hell not?[/QUOTE]
Bear Creek is actually pretty good. If you want one, go ahead.
I saw a picture of the new CZ Shadow over in the cool weapons thread:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/QK6tCPQ.jpg[/t]
The aspiring competitive shooter in me is getting moist.
Anyway, my order from IPSCstore.eu will probbly be sent today. I will soon have an Italian made holster for a Slovakian pistol, with belt and pouches from the Netherlands, ears and shooting glasses from Germany, ordered from Estonia, all to be used in Denmark.
Who would think that firearms ownership could be so European?
[QUOTE=Birdman101;50044545]whats you guys' opinion on the bear creek AR15? I kinda wanna get one as babbys first AR, and for 500$ why the hell not?[/QUOTE]
Actually fuck the bear creek, the eagle arms m15 is only 40 dollars more and it has better company history and a chromed barrel.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;50051074]Actually fuck the bear creek, the eagle arms m15 is only 40 dollars more and it has better company history and a chromed barrel.[/QUOTE]
I have an Eagle Arms Ar15. They are heavy for a carbine. It has 1:8 twist and a wylde chamber. It comes without a rear sight so you have to buy a sight for it unfortunately. It's by all means an entry level AR15. DPMS BCG, Milspec buffer tube, and front heavy.
I got an email from the CMP today!!
They said they created an account for me, but the order won't show up until some indeterminate time in the future.
YAY, PROGRESS!
[editline]1st April 2016[/editline]
And now their site says 3-6 months for deliveries!! :ohno:
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;50051146]I have an Eagle Arms Ar15. They are heavy for a carbine. It has 1:8 twist and a wylde chamber. It comes without a rear sight so you have to buy a sight for it unfortunately. It's by all means an entry level AR15. DPMS BCG, Milspec buffer tube, and front heavy.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of, what do you guys prefer in an AR? Do you prefer it to be more naturally balanced towards the magwell/chamber, or towards the muzzle? I always found ARs and M1911s more comfortable to shoot when they were more front heavy as weird personal opinion that a lot of people call me odd for thinking.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;50054917]Speaking of, what do you guys prefer in an AR? Do you prefer it to be more naturally balanced towards the magwell/chamber, or towards the muzzle? I always found ARs and M1911s more comfortable to shoot when they were more front heavy as weird personal opinion that a lot of people call me odd for thinking.[/QUOTE]
Weight isn't as big of an issue when bench rest shooting. When off handing the shot, it can be an issue. I prefer a balanced gun over a front heavy gun. The more front heavy the gun, the more likely I am going to resort to holding the mag well due to leverage. If it's balanced right or has a comfortable pistol grip, I will let it slide a little.
Aiming heavy long barreled Ruger revolvers is a test in endurance, where as a 4" S&W is quite nice to shoot since you are not fighting gravity as much.
The Eagle Arms AR15 has a medium barrel in front of the gas block and it swells to almost a bull barrel in diameter underneath the hand guards. That's where the weight comes into play for this particular rifle.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;50051146]I have an Eagle Arms Ar15. They are heavy for a carbine. It has 1:8 twist and a wylde chamber. It comes without a rear sight so you have to buy a sight for it unfortunately. It's by all means an entry level AR15. DPMS BCG, Milspec buffer tube, and front heavy.[/QUOTE]
The bear creek didnt come with a rear sight either, Im probably gonna slap a red dot holo sight on it. The weight wont bother me too much, im used to shouldering my nugget. I dont have very expensive taste, I just want one of them evil black guns.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;50054917]Speaking of, what do you guys prefer in an AR? Do you prefer it to be more naturally balanced towards the magwell/chamber, or towards the muzzle? I always found ARs and M1911s more comfortable to shoot when they were more front heavy as weird personal opinion that a lot of people call me odd for thinking.[/QUOTE]
the closer to my right hand the better.
I realized recently that my Scorpion is the only gun I have with rails on it.
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