Firearms XIII - Talk about all the guns - General

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50140632]The controversy regarding that shotgun in Australia is literally why I want one here, even though I generally don't like levers. That and I need a duck gun, but they don't sell the 28" model here yet.[/QUOTE] If exporting and importing barrels was easy I'd suggest to you to buy the 20" and I'd trade barrels with you.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;50140671]It seems like you could fire faster than a lever action with a pump shotgun anyways, so what the hell[/QUOTE] Australian anti-guns are retarded, no point trying to explain shit to them.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;50140671]It seems like you could fire faster than a lever action with a pump shotgun anyways, so what the hell[/QUOTE] yea but it's harder to keep on target for a follow up shot if you're racking the lever rather than just pumping the very grip you'd already be holding when aiming. but really it's negligible.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;50140671]It seems like you could fire faster than a lever action with a pump shotgun anyways, so what the hell[/QUOTE] Pumps are legal only under a Category C license, which is rarely issued and is almost exclusively only available to farmers. At first, the lever action was only being connected o pumps, which did make a bit more sense but now out of nowhere they're being connected to semi-automatic shotguns.

Techno, can you please stop shitposting in the Australian Users Thread. You're doing us no favours.

[QUOTE=download;50140692]If exporting and importing barrels was easy I'd suggest to you to buy the 20" and I'd trade barrels with you.[/QUOTE] In Canada at least it's piss easy, since barrels are uncontrolled, not sure how it is in Ausland though.

Yay thanks Mississippi for affirming my procrastination and changing the law so I don't even have to get a CCW permit.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50141389]In Canada at least it's piss easy, since barrels are uncontrolled, not sure how it is in Ausland though.[/QUOTE] I'd need an import and an export for it. Not hard to get, it just takes time to get past a police officer's desk.

So I shot a gun for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and now I'm looking into buying a handgun but I'm not totally sure what I want. The gun I shot was a Ruger Single Six (single action army styled .22lr), and I really liked it, but the price might be just a tad steep for me. Also not totally sure if I even wanna go for a .22 revolver because I would like something that could realistically be used for self defense if needed, mainly because I like to go camping down in the mountains in North Carolina, and there's everything from copperheads to mountain lions reported in the area. Any thoughts? Having only shot a .22lr I have absolutely no idea what recoil is like on calibers that actually have recoil unlike .22, so I dunno what I can handle at all. For what it's worth, I live in Maryland and we have an across the board 10 round magazine cap, basically no concealed carry, and a required 4 hour class before you can buy a handgun.

[QUOTE=azure 505;50141537]4 hour class before you can buy a handgun.[/QUOTE] And I thought our safety courses were long. Jeez.

[QUOTE=azure 505;50141537]So I shot a gun for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and now I'm looking into buying a handgun but I'm not totally sure what I want. The gun I shot was a Ruger Single Six (single action army styled .22lr), and I really liked it, but the price might be just a tad steep for me. Also not totally sure if I even wanna go for a .22 revolver because I would like something that could realistically be used for self defense if needed, mainly because I like to go camping down in the mountains in North Carolina, and there's everything from copperheads to mountain lions reported in the area. Any thoughts? Having only shot a .22lr I have absolutely no idea what recoil is like on calibers that actually have recoil unlike .22, so I dunno what I can handle at all. For what it's worth, I live in Maryland and we have an across the board 10 round magazine cap, basically no concealed carry, and a required 4 hour class before you can buy a handgun.[/QUOTE] If you liked the revolver there are solid budget .38's out there. Good punch for self defense but still very manageable. You can sometimes find Ruger GP100's in .357 for under $600 but I'm not a fan of the grip.

[QUOTE=Levelog;50141582]If you liked the revolver there are solid budget .38's out there. Good punch for self defense but still very manageable. You can sometimes find Ruger GP100's in .357 for under $600 but I'm not a fan of the grip.[/QUOTE] I'll have to see what this shop near me has, planning on buying over the summer if I end up having the money. Maybe I'll check out a range in the meantime and see if I can try a .38 special, cause I do like the idea of being able to shoot a higher power round down the line if I feel I can handle it. Literally more bang for your buck.

It is weird to me how firearm actions are generally so basic in nature. Not simple, necessarily, but the mechanical nature of guns is weird to me. We have high end electronic optics, but the firearms themselves avoid anything electronic like the plague. There are a few examples of electronic integration, obviously, but nothing really popular. For instance, firearms have a great deal of trouble with their trigger pull. If the cartridge was electronically ignited, the trigger pull could be smooth as butter with zero issues. No break point. On select fire weapons, particularly ones with burst fire, the trigger pull could be identical for all settings. All sorts of options open up. I really LIKE the mechanical nature of firearms, but I remain surprised that electronic integration hasn't been more popular.

[QUOTE=GunFox;50141602]It is weird to me how firearm actions are generally so basic in nature. Not simple, necessarily, but the mechanical nature of guns is weird to me. We have high end electronic optics, but the firearms themselves avoid anything electronic like the plague. There are a few examples of electronic integration, obviously, but nothing really popular. For instance, firearms have a great deal of trouble with their trigger pull. If the cartridge was electronically ignited, the trigger pull could be smooth as butter with zero issues. No break point. On select fire weapons, particularly ones with burst fire, the trigger pull could be identical for all settings. All sorts of options open up. I really LIKE the mechanical nature of firearms, but I remain surprised that electronic integration hasn't been more popular.[/QUOTE] you don't want a trigger that feels like it's not there, you want a clear mechanical break [editline]16th April 2016[/editline] besides that electronic triggers are illegal in the us

[QUOTE=butre;50141633]you don't want a trigger that feels like it's not there, you want a clear mechanical break[/quote] All of which would be easy to address. [quote]besides that electronic triggers are illegal in the us[/QUOTE] I thought it was just because they were generally super easy to convert to full auto and that they weren't inherently illegal. Though as I type that I realize that electronic triggers will always be super easy to convert. Well. That explains that. Thanks!

they're not illegal in words but anything that can be readily converted to full auto is illegal, meaning anything that carries multiple rounds and doesn't need to be manually cycled can't have an electronic trigger

vec-91s are legal, they even brought them here in the early '90s. they're rare as all hell though because they didn't sell for shit. between weird caseless ammo and lack of confidence in the mechanism it had no hope of selling here

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50140721]Australian anti-guns are retarded, no point trying to explain shit to them.[/QUOTE] Anti-gunners anywhere are retarded. [editline]16th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=azure 505;50141537]So I shot a gun for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and now I'm looking into buying a handgun but I'm not totally sure what I want. The gun I shot was a Ruger Single Six (single action army styled .22lr), and I really liked it, but the price might be just a tad steep for me. Also not totally sure if I even wanna go for a .22 revolver because I would like something that could realistically be used for self defense if needed, mainly because I like to go camping down in the mountains in North Carolina, and there's everything from copperheads to mountain lions reported in the area. Any thoughts? Having only shot a .22lr I have absolutely no idea what recoil is like on calibers that actually have recoil unlike .22, so I dunno what I can handle at all. For what it's worth, I live in Maryland and we have an across the board 10 round magazine cap, basically no concealed carry, and a required 4 hour class before you can buy a handgun.[/QUOTE] Ruger SR9C Models 3316 and 3317 are 10rd. [editline]16th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Levelog;50141582]but I'm not a fan of the [GP100] grip.[/QUOTE] you take that back right the fuck now [editline]16th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;50141602]It is weird to me how firearm actions are generally so basic in nature. Not simple, necessarily, but the mechanical nature of guns is weird to me. We have high end electronic optics, but the firearms themselves avoid anything electronic like the plague. There are a few examples of electronic integration, obviously, but nothing really popular. For instance, firearms have a great deal of trouble with their trigger pull. If the cartridge was electronically ignited, the trigger pull could be smooth as butter with zero issues. No break point. On select fire weapons, particularly ones with burst fire, the trigger pull could be identical for all settings. All sorts of options open up. I really LIKE the mechanical nature of firearms, but I remain surprised that electronic integration hasn't been more popular.[/QUOTE] I personally don't want anything electronic in my guns because, Murphy's Law, when I actually need it the electronics won't function/will be dead. That's generally the entire reason most people don't want shit like biometric safeties. [editline]16th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50142154]are all electronic triggers illegal in the US? in norway at least (and germany, switzerland, austria from the top of my head) you can own them if you want. both walther and at least 2-3 other companies make .22lr target semi auto pistols that use electronic triggers. [t]http://www.carl-walther.de/assets/images/products/zoom/2780500_1.jpg[/t] [editline]16th April 2016[/editline] (they're recharged with a micro usb cable)[/QUOTE] What the fuck am I looking at

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50142267][t]http://www.pvas.no/image/vaapen/haandvaapen/pistoler/pardini/109450-pardini-sp-new.jpg[/t] ;-)[/QUOTE] It looks like a regular target pistol that someone left in the oven too long.

I want to live in a future where the metal storm gun actually took off [IMG]http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54c809b34296a_-_tb_1-21.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Birdman101;50143213]I want to live in a future where the metal storm gun actually took off [IMG]http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54c809b34296a_-_tb_1-21.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] How do you reload it though? Wouldn't the first few shots be garbage due to lack of velocity/accuracy?

I saw a video on it once and in pretty sure you load a stack of bullets directly in through the rear of the barrel. It would be my guess that the gun would get more accurate as you get towards the rear of the stack. Also i dont think it would be very accurate at all since the rifling is loose enough that you can slide in bullets most of the way through the barrel. It would make up for the shit accuracy by having 4 barrels. Aside from the electronic trigger legality bullshit, id that double barreled 1911 can be legal, im sure you could make the 4 berrels legal with a little [del]bribing[/del] buerocracy.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;50143580]I saw a video on it once and in pretty sure you load a stack of bullets directly in through the rear of the barrel. It would be my guess that the gun would get more accurate as you get towards the rear of the stack. Also i dont think it would be very accurate at all since the rifling is loose enough that you can slide in bullets most of the way through the barrel. It would make up for the shit accuracy by having 4 barrels. Aside from the electronic trigger legality bullshit, id that double barreled 1911 can be legal, im sure you could make the 4 berrels legal with a little [del]bribing[/del] buerocracy.[/QUOTE] The reason the double barreled 1911 is legal is that gun has 2 separate trigger assemblies. Even though they share the hammer, there are 2 sets of sears, disconnects, and triggers. That's how you dodge the ATF. As long as there are a set of triggers per barrel or a system to sequentially set off the barrels per trigger pull, it will be legal. Electronic triggers will never be able to gain a market in the US. Gun owners don't like the idea of having to change batteries to keep their guns functioning (this is excluding accessories like sights/lights). The electronic triggers didn't do anything better than a tuned normal trigger. Really, with the introduction of binary fire triggers, companies are now trying to make a better mechanical trigger that goes off when you release. Releasing a trigger won't disturb a rifle as much as pulling a conventional trigger.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;50144032]The reason the double barreled 1911 is legal is that gun has 2 separate trigger assemblies. Even though they share the hammer, there are 2 sets of sears, disconnects, and triggers. That's how you dodge the ATF. As long as there are a set of triggers per barrel or a system to sequentially set off the barrels per trigger pull, it will be legal.[/QUOTE] Oh my bad, I thought it had one trigger.

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;50141541]And I thought our safety courses were long. Jeez.[/QUOTE] How long are the safety courses in Ausland? In Canada it's [url=http://www.fseso.org/courses-fees]8-10 hours per licensing level, 12 hours if you do both licenses at the same time[/url] according to this, but I do know they'd recently lengthened the course times. While it used to be 8-5 Saturday and Sunday for both levels, some are doing 8-8, and others are doing a Friday evening portion to keep it 8-5 on the weekends. [editline]16th April 2016[/editline] The only guns I've ever seen electric triggers on are the stupidly expensive Olympic target pistols, and even then they sell versions both with and without them here. Electric triggers are a gimmick, you're not likely to see them anywhere.

Righto, so, I have a $600 check in the mail from the federal government. Any one have some decent 1911 handgun recommendations outside of Rock Island for $900ish?

Aren't Remington 1911s around that price and not bad?

[QUOTE=mastoner20;50145419]Righto, so, I have a $600 check in the mail from the federal government. Any one have some decent 1911 handgun recommendations outside of Rock Island for $900ish?[/QUOTE] Rugers are also an option. If you can find one, a S&W or SIG is also fine. Word of caution on the SIGs. They come with plastic mag bases that are somewhat fragile, switch 'em out ASAP.

I'm excited, I get to shoot my friend's new shotgun tomorrow. Well, new to him, it's from the 50's he says. My First time shooting in years and first time shooting a shotgun, should be good.

Picking up my Jungle Carbine this after noon. It's going to need a lot of loving.