[QUOTE=Recurracy;27310753]From my experience, Judo. Mainly because I only practiced this.
Anyway, if you're strong and quick enough, you can get your opponent to the ground in no-time, then deal with shit there further on, for example break his arm or leg when you apply enough force.[/QUOTE]
Hi that is a fucking STUPID idea.
Being on the ground is THE WORST place to be outside of a ring or dojo.
I have this same argument almost on a weekly basis with the brazilian jiu jitsu guys who train where I do boxing.
Congratulations, you're now tussling with a guy on the ground. Your mobility is limited, and your situation awareness has just been compromised. While you're rolling around trying to get him into an armbar or choke him out, he's buddies have just ran up and started stomping your fucking face into the pavement.
Or he just slips a blade in your ribs.
I'm not even going to mention stuff like broken glass oh wait I just did.
In a real fight you want the option to end the threat as violently and quickly as possible, and then get mobile and get the fuck out fast. I.E be on your feet ready to book it at a moment's notice.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;27310753]From my experience, Judo. Mainly because I only practiced this.
Anyway, if you're strong and quick enough, you can get your opponent to the ground in no-time, then deal with shit there further on, for example break his arm or leg when you apply enough force.[/QUOTE]
A Japanese friend of mine does Aikido, he says it's really good, he says he mainly learns counter attacks that require more precision than power. He taught me a very easy thing, where you basically grab someone's forearm. You use your dominant hand. If your right hand is dominant, you grab his right forearm. Or an alternative is that he actually grabs your forearm. From there you can easily get his hands behind his back, bring him to his knees or break his shoulders by pulling the arm upwards. It requires very little power if it was unexpected and I still use it nowadays for small things, like when I'm fucking around with somebody for fun.
Such things make me want to learn Aikido, but I never really took the time (and money) to do it.
If someone tires to strangle you, don't try to pull their arms off, it makes it worse. Instead, kick them in the balls.
[QUOTE=Murkat;27310791]He'd probably cut it off, kick you in the testicles and steal your wallet.[/QUOTE]
:ohdear:
Don't carry a knife or a gun on you, your more likely to get into the trouble in the first place.
The amount of grammatical errors in a document pertaining to life and death situations is troubling, to say the least.
Always keep your hands up while trying to avoid the fight, talk with your hands and hold one out as a sort of pressure guage. If they get too close to you, you already have your hands up, just clock him with the other hand. Or elbow. I prefer elbowing.
Good read but someone should also post the laws against this since iirc the law fucks over sometimes and makes you the aggressor if you fuck someone up pretty bad
[QUOTE=Kill001;27312874]Good read but someone should also post the laws against this since iirc the law fucks over sometimes and makes you the aggressor if you fuck someone up pretty bad[/QUOTE]
Yeah, like here the law is like 'Self-defense is ok, but until he's down. Unnecessary violence like kicking after he's down is illegal' or something like that. I tried to exclude things that can really kill someone, so you'll probably end up breaking bones or hurting some one pretty badly. I'm pretty sure our Dutch law says that's pretty much allowed if necessary.
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[QUOTE=Raidyr;27312579]The amount of grammatical errors in a document pertaining to life and death situations is troubling, to say the least.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, it would be pretty cool if you could point them out with a correction though.
Interesting thread..
I've sometimes wondered or "planned" what I would at least try to do if someone came at me with a knife.
I came to a conclusion that probably the smartest move would be to quickly grab the hand that he knife is in, having some real control over the whole.. thingy, and probably go for a real quick either elbow or just fist straight into the offenders jaw/head, while you keep really tight of the knife-hand to ensure it won't swing at you
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[QUOTE=Kill001;27312874]Good read but someone should also post the laws against this since iirc the law fucks over sometimes and makes you the aggressor if you fuck someone up pretty bad[/QUOTE]
Does the authorities have to know about the incident between you and the mugger, given you successfully disarmed and knocked the shit out of him and got the fuck out of the scene with no witnesses?
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If someone tried to get into a fight with me I'd bring up my hands, palm forward, and try to talk him out of it, if that doesn't succeed, I'll shove my palm really hard on his nose (as it already is up) and run away. :v:
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27313279]Interesting thread..
I've sometimes wondered or "planned" what I would at least try to do if someone came at me with a knife.
I came to a conclusion that probably the smartest move would be to quickly grab the hand that he knife is in, having some real control over the whole.. thingy, and probably go for a real quick either elbow or just fist straight into the offenders jaw/head, while you keep really tight of the knife-hand to ensure it won't swing at you[/QUOTE]
Don't do this. Even if you're willing to risk your life to be badass, you should atleast practice it and even then it is very likely to go wrong in a practical situation. As said before, safer solution is to run. In a situation where it is impossible to run away, like if you've been cornered with a knife, I would personally try to dodge the first strike, walk around the attacker and run away.
It isn't all that easy to grab the hand the knife is in. The man with the knife probably has some experience with how to use a knife to stab someone and will be prepared if you try to grab his arm. If you do manage to get it, you should do a very nasty move, like a kick to the balls, stab in the eye with your fingers or maybe even break the wrist.
One thing that is good to know is if someone comes from behind or gets you in a headlock with intent to choke you put your chin to your chest. This stops them from cutting off your oxygen and allows you to get out of it. Gripping their arms trying to pull them off is useless because that grip will be tighter than some hipsters jeans. Also being choked pretty much renders you useless as you can't think straight or do much.
[QUOTE=Boomslang;27313525]One thing that is good to know is if someone comes from behind or gets you in a headlock with intent to choke you put your chin to your chest. This stops them from cutting off your oxygen and allows you to get out of it.[/QUOTE]
But if he already has a full headlock on you, you're already screwed.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27313279]Does the authorities have to know about the incident between you and the mugger, given you successfully disarmed and knocked the shit out of him and got the fuck out of the scene with no witnesses?[/QUOTE]
Yeah but if the guy reports you then you may have a problem
Can I just curl up in a ball? :ohdear:
one of the best dirty moves I've seen used on a regular basis is the 'shirt-pull', seems a stalwart of brawling
Yeah well I'm not sure about whether it's smart to call the authorities after you beat the shit out of someone. Personally I would run away and not call anyone unless the guy is severly bleeding, in which case I'd call an ambulance. It's not really easy explaining how all the beating up part was part of self defense and you can get into legal trouble.
[QUOTE=BrQ;27313812]Yeah well I'm not sure about whether it's smart to call the authorities after you beat the shit out of someone. Personally I would run away and not call anyone unless the guy is severly bleeding, in which case I'd call an ambulance. It's not really easy explaining how all the beating up part was part of self defense and you can get into legal trouble.[/QUOTE]
If it comes to that, I'd just advise calling anonymously and leaving the scene. Just as you don't want law involvement, it's doubtful he will either.
What happens if you get mugged but then the mugger decides to kill you?
A mugger will have extremely little reason to kill you, he wants your stuff, not your life.
[QUOTE=Extroll;27314494]What happens if you get mugged but then the mugger decides to kill you?[/QUOTE]
then the mugger is probably unhinged, even a cunt of a man will realise that Murder looks a lot worse than mugging.
i did Judo for 4-5 years and feel confident in a fight, i know how to get them on the floor, then you just puch or kick
Taser! Taser! Taser! ZAP
[QUOTE=swampie;27314785]i did Judo for 4-5 years and feel confident in a fight, i know how to get them on the floor, then you just puch or kick[/QUOTE]
Or if you're feeling particularly squiggly, gouge.
That part about the punch to the throat worries me, it only takes 150 pounds of force to collapse the trachea, which is not that much. Professional fighters can get up to 500 pounds in a choke hold.
So yeah, unless it is an absolute emergency, you could kill the person.
Fuck this thread, too much reading. Wanna know what you really do? You grab the fucker by the collar of their shirt, and you punch him in the face until there's nothing but a deep bloody gaping cavity. Kind've like "glass in my ass" but it's their face and there's no glass, just bone fragments.
[QUOTE=Snapzies;27315139]Fuck this thread, too much reading. Wanna know what you really do? You grab the fucker by the collar of their shirt, and you punch him in the face until there's nothing but a deep bloody gaping cavity. Kind've like "glass in my ass" but it's their face and there's no glass, just bone fragments.[/QUOTE]
I didn't read your post, too much reading.
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