Once I broke a kids arm because he took my ball while we were playing soccer. Not cool stuff.
I really need to fight with more precision.
whenever I get into fights (which is sadly alot, fuck you Scotland.) I tend to just aim for the face and throw as many punches as I can as fast as I can (obviouslly still with some technique, I'm not throwing shitty haymakers but actual punches) until I get pulled off of the oposer.
my problem Is I can't keep my cool when I'm fighting because it takes alot to provoke me, so my vision tunnels and I just remember getting pulled off of people. :/
[QUOTE=Kamaitachi;27330075]I really need to fight with more precision.
whenever I get into fights (which is sadly alot, fuck you Scotland.) I tend to just aim for the face and throw as many punches as I can as fast as I can (obviouslly still with some technique, I'm not throwing shitty haymakers but actual punches) until I get pulled off of the oposer.
my problem Is I can't keep my cool when I'm fighting because it takes alot to provoke me, so my vision tunnels and I just remember getting pulled off of people. :/[/QUOTE]
Probably sounds stupid and childish, but if you're going to have a fight, take a few deep breaths to calm down. I obviously can't get you rid of the tunnel vision thing, but if I were you, I'd try to calm down and then think for a second on what you are going to do.
Throwing many punches is a great thing and if you must really do the face (which is not always the best), go for the nose and mouth.
[QUOTE=BrQ;27330298]Probably sounds stupid and childish, but if you're going to have a fight, take a few deep breaths to calm down. I obviously can't get you rid of the tunnel vision thing, but if I were you, I'd try to calm down and then think for a second on what you are going to do.
Throwing many punches is a great thing and if you must really do the face (which is not always the best), go for the nose and mouth.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was doing quite the opposite because I preffer not to jack peoples faces up too bad, Would tend to strike the jawline and throw them off balance, use that advantage to punch them back into a wall or a rail or something.
Thanks anyways BrQ, alot of my friends say the same so I should maybe give it a try next time around.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27310339]In life threatening situations you fight dirty.[/QUOTE]
And it won't make you look like a bitch unless you're a very trained professional who could take out a man with a knife in less than 5 seconds. Hooray! :buddy:
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[QUOTE=Shephard922;27320278]"...he might have severe damage and you never intended to permanently disable him."
Sorry, if someone attacks me and I manage to knock them out, I really don't give a shit if they get hurt or die.[/QUOTE]
True, but you should still call an ambulance and the police, he could wake up or have internal bleeding that can be taken care of. Then he'd go to jail after he recovers and you can bask in the glory of having not only saved his life but also ruined it by getting him caught.
I really dislike threads like this.
When it comes down to fighting, everything is fueled off of muscle memory. If you engage in a fight with someone, everything you've ever read about what to do or whatever will be thrown out the window and you'll become just a loser swinging his fists around like crazy.
A lot of the things the OP suggested you do work on paper but are terrible choices to make in real life. That V-shaped eye poke thing? Have fun breaking the shit out of your fingers. You really think you're going to be able to perfectly place your fingers in someone's eyes as they move around? No, you're going to jam your fingers into something hard (like their forehead) and break those scrawny pieces of shit.
The OP said to stay off the ground, which is actually a generally safe place if you're fighting someone way stronger than you. Let's face it, no amount of flailing or attempts to choke someone is going help if they outclass the shit out of you. If you hit the ground, back up against a wall or something and cock your legs back, your head and lower body are virtually safe. If your attacker is in range to punch or kick your body, you can fire off one of your cocked back legs at his in-range ballsack. If he dives on top of you, wrap your legs around him and gouge those eyes out.
That's the simplest and best way of going about defending yourself if you don't have any professional training. It's simple, easy to remember, and a very natural response. Get on your back, back up against a wall and cock your legs back, kicking anything vulnerable when your attacker gets close.
Threads like this scare me because a kid that goes out trying to do this is going to get killed. Real people move around, real people resist. You think some dude is just going to let you grab his throat? You think he's just going to let you grab his balls? You think he's going to sit perfectly still so you can make sure to punch his nose or mouth instead of hitting his crown? You think he's going to lift his chin up so you can punch him in the throat? Fuck no. Real fights are fast and violent, there's no time to think or aim your shots. The only way to develop actual fighting skills is through professional training that develops muscle memory.
Krav Maga is a martial art that is only useful if you've mastered it. A lot of its moves and techniques require technical prowess. If you're technically unsound in a Krav Maga move, the move becomes completely useless. The eye poke, for example. If you just throw your fingers out there trying to poke something, you're going to break them or have your wrist grabbed, leaving you open to get the shit knocked out of you. It takes years of training to learn the right technique for it and to develop it to a point where you don't miss.
I advise people to take classes on general MMA, or [b]at least[/b] Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. The reason why these are better than Krav Maga for the average person's self defense is because they allow error. You don't need to be technically perfect in BJJ to choke someone out, in fact, I have only a few months of experience under my belt and it is incredibly easy to choke or submit someone with no jiu jitsu knowledge. Muay Thai involves a lot of clinch attacks and moves, which is something that happens often in fights. Judo teaches you throws from the clinch, so you can throw a dude that is much larger than you easily and then run like hell.
But those things take training and practice to develop. You can read about how to put someone in an armbar or how to judo throw someone all you want, but you won't ever develop the ability to actually use it correctly until you have someone teach it to you and then practice it a hundred times. Big text guides like the OP are useless. Like I said earlier, the only text advice that you can actually use in a fight is:
Hit the ground on your back, try to back up against a wall or something. Cock your legs back and fire them off every time your attacker comes close. Make sure to rotate with him so your legs are always in between you and him. Do this until help arrives or you catch him with a solid nut shot, then run like hell.
Obviously you will not make an easy hit on the throat because people tend to guard such areas and I'm pretty sure I never said you can easily hit it. What I did is compile a list with moves you can use, like hitting the throat. I am also pretty sure I mentioned the 'stabbing the eyes with your fingers' as an opening move. An opening move is before your potential attacker tried to hit you. It's the point when an attack is inevitable. It's also a point where your potential attacker is not moving around like fuck and probably is also not expecting it.
You might prefer being on the ground but I can assure you most people do not like that. I can tell from experience and I'm pretty sure many other people will too that being on the ground leaves you very vulnerable, especially to kicks. Perhaps you're better in it than I or most of the people are, but for most it's just taking hits and giving none if you're on the ground.
I can imagine that if I was about to attack a guy, and he'd lie on his back, leaning to a wall, cocking his feet back, I'd try to get a little close and dodge the attack. Even he hits, I doubt it'll be an unbearable pain and it will leave him lying in front of me. I think I can kick you faster than that you can cock your legs back, fire it and repeat.
When you get in a fight, it is indeed often true that you are likely to forget everything and just go punching your way out. Which is why you need to calm down if you're expecting a fight. Simple breathing in and out works for most. You don't need to aim every punch so that you'll hit the most vulnerable spots. What I posted are places you should try to hit if you've got the chance, and places you shouldn't hit. If a fight is going to happen for sure and the attacker comes from a little distance and you're not completely in panic, there's always time to revise those spots.
You are very right on that you need practice to do things you mentioned. But what you mentioned was completely different than what I did. You're talking about chokes or doing a judo throw. What I mentioned were spots that will leave the attacker in pain, but that are yet not so incredibly difficult to do, which involves just plain punching it.
[QUOTE=TH89;27333024][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y[/media][/QUOTE]
I love that video "And now I steb ze liver"
Judo throwing someone is easier than punching them in the throat or solar plexus. Not only do you have to make contact (which is difficult for the untrained fighter), but you have to strike hard enough to do damage.
If you're on the ground, the only thing they can kick without putting something vulnerable close is your legs. Since your legs generally have plenty of muscle on them and adrenaline will be running high, them taking potshots at your legs isn't going to do much.
The fact that you have no understanding of the dynamics of fighting (hurr it's easier to punch someone's throat then judo throw them durr) makes it clear that you either have very little to no actual experience or have just watched a Krav Maga video and think you instantly know how to defend yourself.
Krav Maga is like Tai Kwon Do. The only people that can use TKD in a real fight and be successful are people that have been doing it for years. You pretty much have to perfect the art of TKD before you can expect to use it in a fight and win, since it's a very hard discipline to employ in actual combat. Krav Maga techniques are the same exact way; you have to have tons of experience before it becomes effective.
Judo, on the other hand, is extremely simple. My dad has about 25 pounds on me and is a very athletic guy (was a quarterback for a large college and almost played in the NFL). I could try and hit his throat or balls all I want and it probably wouldn't happen because he is stronger and faster than me. However, I can easily judo throw the shit out of him, despite him having a large weight advantage. Judo throws are very fluid and extremely simple, far more effective at putting someone on the ground than punches.
I love this thread.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27335360]Judo throwing someone is easier than punching them in the throat or solar plexus. Not only do you have to make contact (which is difficult for the untrained fighter), but you have to strike hard enough to do damage.
If you're on the ground, the only thing they can kick without putting something vulnerable close is your legs. Since your legs generally have plenty of muscle on them and adrenaline will be running high, them taking potshots at your legs isn't going to do much.
The fact that you have no understanding of the dynamics of fighting (hurr it's easier to punch someone's throat then judo throw them durr) makes it clear that you either have very little to no actual experience or have just watched a Krav Maga video and think you instantly know how to defend yourself.
Krav Maga is like Tai Kwon Do. The only people that can use TKD in a real fight and be successful are people that have been doing it for years. You pretty much have to perfect the art of TKD before you can expect to use it in a fight and win, since it's a very hard discipline to employ in actual combat. Krav Maga techniques are the same exact way; you have to have tons of experience before it becomes effective.
Judo, on the other hand, is extremely simple. My dad has about 25 pounds on me and is a very athletic guy (was a quarterback for a large college and almost played in the NFL). I could try and hit his throat or balls all I want and it probably wouldn't happen because he is stronger and faster than me. However, I can easily judo throw the shit out of him, despite him having a large weight advantage. Judo throws are very fluid and extremely simple, far more effective at putting someone on the ground than punches.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry if the original post sounds like it's a replacement for real martial arts or any other form of self defense and I did not intend to.
The thing is that you don't go for the throat or the solar plexus. You go for punches and when you do, you are trying to aim at those spots if you have the chance. Experience or practice is great but you do not necessarily need practice, which is contrary to judo throws which does need more than theoretical knowledge.
The point in of this thread to know where you should strike if you're going to strike. Sure, judo throws will be more practical, effective and easier [i]in the end[/i], but a simple internet guide will not suddenly give you the ability to do it because it simply requires more than just theory. A simple internet guide will actually give you the knowledge on what spots hurt the most and what bones will break the easiest.
A man with lots of adrenaline running through his body during a fight will of course feel less pain, but that's not an excuse to get kicked in the leg. By doing the cocking and firing, you are also most likely hitting the legs (if you're hitting anything at all) and since you're not the only one with adrenaline, it will be pretty much useless, unless you hit it right. But I'd rather just stand on my feets.
Also, most of the times, Krav Maga lessons (atleast the ones given here) are trying to teach you self defense, but they're trying to teach you the stuff so that you can actually use it in practical situations, but also as fast as possible. They use real life scenarios and situations, like when you get mugged. The site says that Krav Maga was also 'created' to teach Israeli forces the important stuff because they couldn't spend much time on martial arts, but I'm don't know about that.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;27318935]Marc Macyoung. Look him up. Read his work.
Then come back and tell me if you still think wrestling on the ground in a street fight is a good idea.
I swear some of you kids have this retarded notion that fighting in the real world is still a schoolyard brawl between two guys.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say fighting on the ground is a good idea. But most fights end up on the ground. At least you know how to control your opponent in the case that you are on the ground. I know for a a fact fighting on the street is way more different to a school fight.
Generally speaking, you should try to keep your fingers away from the attackers mouth at all costs. Human bite wounds have a very large chance of getting horribly infected, which can lead to you losing fingers, or even the whole hand if not treated fast enough.
If somebody is on the ground cocking their legs back and kicking, pretend to attack one side. When they turn dodge back to the other side, grab a leg and toss it away, leaving him with an exposed side you can dive at. I would then put him in a cradle and squeeze him until his tendons tear away.
Want to practice fighting? Come to my Student Union on a Saturday Club night. It's amazing, cheep quad vods, the drugs and the fights, seriously we have like 20 bouncers.
[QUOTE=Ryz0;27336335]I didn't say fighting on the ground is a good idea. But most fights end up on the ground. At least you know how to control your opponent in the case that you are on the ground. I know for a a fact fighting on the street is way more different to a school fight.[/QUOTE]
Most fights end up on the ground because of instinctive self-defense. If a guy is whooping your ass in a stand-up fight and you can't get away, your instinctive course of action will be tackling him.
If you bust a guy in the balls, solar plexus, or anything like that, he's going to try and tackle you. Knowing how to handle yourself in a fight from both top and bottom positions can be life-saving. I've fought one guy at a party since I began taking MMA classes and it could hardly be considered a fight. I leg kicked him as hard as I could, causing him to attempt to tackle me. Sprawled and put him in a simple darce choke, lights out. Nothing fancy, no targeting pressure points or anything like that, just easy and efficient. I wasn't even breathing hard afterward.
Fight like these 2 burly men.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct101llYcZU[/media]
I watched a video on how to disarm an opponent with a firearm. Basically the guy says that you should not attempt this unless it is crucial to your survival. If the chances occurred that you needed to do so, you would try to calm him and sidetrack him. The man used the example of, "Take whatever you want, I have money in my back pocket, my keys are--". You see where I cut off? The gunman was expecting the end of the sentence. This would be your time to strike. The idea is to get the gunman sidetracked by speaking to him, then cutting off mid-sentence. From here, you lean your body away from the aim of the firearm. If he is holding the gun right handed, you want to lean to your left, and vise versa. From here you would take your right hand and place it on the barrel of the weapon and aim it away from you. You'd then close the gap between you and your opponent and reach your arm over his arm and grab his wrist, tucking your elbow on the inside of his arm. Tuck your elbow in with his arm under your armpit. This will secure his arm that is holding the weapon. You then want to start pointing the gun towards the gunman while securing his wrist. This will cause extreme pressure in his wrist and cause the gun to fall out of his hand. You take the gun, and create distance from your opponent, followed by pointing the gun at the former gunman.
You must be very quick when doing this though. Well, that's what the video showed, but some of it is common knowledge, for example, don't step in front of the gun.
[QUOTE=Zareox7;27342296]I watched a video on how to disarm an opponent with a firearm. Basically the guy says that you should not attempt this unless it is crucial to your survival. If the chances occurred that you needed to do so, you would try to calm him and sidetrack him. The man used the example of, "Take whatever you want, I have money in my back pocket, my keys are--". You see where I cut off? The gunman was expecting the end of the sentence. This would be your time to strike. The idea is to get the gunman sidetracked by speaking to him, then cutting off mid-sentence. From here, you lean your body away from the aim of the firearm. If he is holding the gun right handed, you want to lean to your left, and vise versa. From here you would take your right hand and place it on the barrel of the weapon and aim it away from you. You'd then close the gap between you and your opponent and reach your arm over his arm and grab his wrist, tucking your elbow on the inside of his arm. Tuck your elbow in with his arm under your armpit. This will secure his arm that is holding the weapon. You then want to start pointing the gun towards the gunman while securing his wrist. This will cause extreme pressure in his wrist and cause the gun to fall out of his hand. You take the gun, and create distance from your opponent, followed by pointing the gun at the former gunman.
You must be very quick when doing this though. Well, that's what the video showed, but some of it is common knowledge, for example, don't step in front of the gun.[/QUOTE]
All of this requires tje gunman to be rediculously close, which common sense dictates that guns are effetive over larger distances.
If the attacker just wants what you have, give it to him no point throwing your life away for a wallet and a watch.
However if he wants to take your life thats when you take action.
[QUOTE=chugmuffin;27309887]Option 2) Scream as loud as you can for about 10 seconds. Immediately after you finish screaming, drop your pants. Then, shit on the ground right in front of your attacker and resume screaming. He will react the same to this as he did to Option 1, and you will have won that encounter. Congratulations! You have succeeded in fending off your attacker.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I got one funny picture in my head from reading that. Literally laughed my buttocks off.
Punching someone in the lips is risky. If they tilt their head back in anticipation or you punch up too much, you can sever the tendons on the back of your fingers. It's called a fight bite.
[QUOTE=NorthernFall;27309525]If you've got someone pinned say on the ground or a lock and they really can't get out of it but are still mad as fuck, what do you do? If you let go, they're just going to go on the offensive again, but you can't walk around attacthed to them forever.[/QUOTE]
You snap their neck and then rip their ballsack off with your penis.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;27337540]Want to practice fighting? Come to my Student Union on a Saturday Club night. It's amazing, cheep quad vods, the drugs and the fights, seriously we have like 20 bouncers.[/QUOTE]
I can't possibly imagine why anyone would want to be in an environment like that.
[QUOTE=markg06;27347033]I can't possibly imagine why anyone would want to be in an environment like that.[/QUOTE]
did you not read the post
mind altering drugs and violence man
[QUOTE=NorthernFall;27309525]If you've got someone pinned say on the ground or a lock and they really can't get out of it but are still mad as fuck, what do you do? If you let go, they're just going to go on the offensive again, but you can't walk around attacthed to them forever.[/QUOTE]
Choke them out.
1. Carry a gun.
2. Problem solved.
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3. (optional) Wear an explosive vest filled with RDX and hardened nails.
[QUOTE=markg06;27347033]I can't possibly imagine why anyone would want to be in an environment like that.[/QUOTE]
Meh it's a cheep fun night. I've ruined two tshirts there from blood. Not my own, nor do I get in many fights, but just from stray splatter.
It's quite educational on how much blood you can see coming out of a head wound.
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