[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;32791186]That's a cool comparison bro
Props.
Relating to the wall, I heard a lot of bad press about it, people saying it wasn't Floyd and it being bad/mainstream and I dug it. I liked the length too. It had some classics but WYWH will always be my favourite, I remember thinking DSOTM was bad until about three weeks ago and I finally got it.
Any colour you like best song erryday[/QUOTE]
The best thing about the wall is it already makes the perfect setlist, with the openers, the climax, and everything.
Also ACYL is such a stoner song lol. Speaking of which I need to listen to more Floyd when blazed. I usually just listen to Meshuggah or something twice as loud as I should
let me fix that for you
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIwsAW2Q0w[/media]
Fuck Pearl Jam
You guys need to mature, "it fucking sucks" is music toddler talk.
toddler talk fucking sucks
Pink Floyd didn't perfect the progressive rock genre nor did they make it popular, they were part of the movement that made it popular which started with Sgt Pepper and Whiter Shader of Pale by Procol Harum, but they were definitely not the first. I would argue that Soft Machine, Procol Harum and a few other bands had the main role, but not Floyd.
Pink Floyd's thing was that their music was written with the purpose of communicating the realities of the world as they are, instead of other bands like Emerson Lake and Palmer, which barely cared about the message and instead just tried to play the fuck out of their instruments. That's why Pink Floyd survived the punk genre, because they were relevant. Everyone ended up hating prog because it failed to connect to the audience but Pink Floyd always did that musically, and definitely lyrically. Like Animals was anti-Thatcher, etc. So while loads of people became ashamed to admit they liked Yes, King Crimson, Camel, etc, noone was too ashamed about liking the Floyd.
As for perfecting it, they were more of a melding of progressive and art rock, and they were phenomenally good and I love them, with solid constructions of songs and stuff but they definitely didn't perfect prog rock at all
[QUOTE=killerteacup;32791446]noone was too ashamed about liking the Floyd.[/QUOTE]
Not even Johnny Rotten.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;32791446]Everyone ended up hating prog[/QUOTE]
This statement isn't valid, but everything else I can see where you're getting at.
Progressive Rock got a bad rep because it [I]was[/I] pretentious and artsy most of the time. The "pop" crowd back then were still accepting of the style, hence Yes and Genesis doing very well, but as a whole people were missing the point.
As you said, from "Moon" onwards, they were more about themes that a lot of people could relate to.
The Wall is pretty much a timeless concept, albeit not all that precise, but definitely relateable.
Animals had it too, but since times have changed and people aren't too familiar with the communist concept as they were back then, it isn't as popular.
It's a shame really that thematic albums aren't hitting the charts these days.
Well everyone ended up hating ELP
[QUOTE=Reset Panda;32791529]Well everyone ended up hating ELP[/QUOTE]
Wrong, they got to number 1 in the charts.
[QUOTE=Reset Panda;32790827]Roger Water's strange voice on The Wall... you know the one. Ask That_Crazy_GmanV2 - it sounds a lot better in person then recorded through a Guitar Hero Mic[/QUOTE]
EEF YEW SHUD GOO SKAEETEENG!
ON THA FIN OICE OF LOIF!
CARRAYING BAYHOND YEW TEH SILANT REPROOTCH
Of A MEELLEEON TISDAY NOIGHTS!
YOU LITTLE SCHIT YOURE INNIT NYAOW I HOPE THEY THROW AWAY THE KEYY
[QUOTE=AK'z;32791507]This statement isn't valid, but everything else I can see where you're getting at.
Progressive Rock got a bad rep because it [I]was[/I] pretentious and artsy most of the time. The "pop" crowd back then were still accepting of the style, hence Yes and Genesis doing very well, but as a whole people were missing the point.
As you said, from "Moon" onwards, they were more about themes that a lot of people could relate to.
The Wall is pretty much a timeless concept, albeit not all that precise, but definitely relateable.
Animals had it too, but since times have changed and people aren't too familiar with the communist concept as they were back then, it isn't as popular.
It's a shame really that thematic albums aren't hitting the charts these days.[/QUOTE]
Prog was a dirty word in the 80's right, everyone ended up hating the genre for a long while, or at least would never admit to liking it and the only bands that transcended it were bands that either were relevant, ie the Floyd, or bands that commercialised, Ie Genesis or Yes in 90125. Either way the roots of prog had to be cut away because there was such a backlash against it
Animals was an adaptation of Animal Farm used as a protest against Margaret Thatcher and wasn't really focussing on the communism I would argue but yeah, Floyd transcended it because it was relevant
And yeah, though in saying that I was incredibly impressed when Arcade Fire won a Grammy or whatever for the Suburbs. That was great, the Suburbs is a classic album
Also Brain Salad Surgery is TERRIBLE, I cannot stand it in the slightest, it is honestly the most pretentious album. I just can't deal with anything past Tarkus
Works Volume one is still cool. Except Side 2. Fuck Greg Lake, his voice is sub par, his song writing is bad, and his lyrics are just too pretentious. Worse than when Dream Theater try too hard.
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But side one and three I jack off too hardcore
[QUOTE=killerteacup;32794433]
Also Brain Salad Surgery is TERRIBLE, I cannot stand it in the slightest, it is honestly the most pretentious album.[/QUOTE]
Well you've just defeated your own discussion by calling an album bad for being pretentious.
Experience prioritises everything else, not how marketable it is.
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[QUOTE=Reset Panda;32795104]his lyrics are just too pretentious. [/QUOTE]
You as well.
Although if you want bad lyrics, try the Hot Seat album.
[QUOTE=Reset Panda;32794019]YOU LITTLE SCHIT YOURE INNIT NYAOW I HOPE THEY THROW AWAY THE KEYY[/QUOTE]YHO SHOULDA TAULKD TO MAY MOAR OFFTIN THAN YAH DID BUT NOH!
I feel I haven't posted in here a while so here I am.
I'll try and get the Gdansk stream organised for another time soon, I'm swamped with work at the momento. I CAN'T LET YOU GUYS DOWN AAA
[QUOTE=AK'z;32795405]Well you've just defeated your own discussion by calling an album bad for being pretentious.
Experience prioritises everything else, not how marketable it is.
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You as well.
Although if you want bad lyrics, try the Hot Seat album.[/QUOTE]
That's not the case at a all. I found the entire album experience itself to reek of pretentiousness and I don't give a stuff about how marketable the music is either (though you forget that Brain Salad Surgery was perhaps the most marketable of ELP's stuff and was released at the height of their success). Every single song on brain salad surgery was a technical jackoff with no solid foundation to build off. And a lot of it seemed like an excuse in my eyes for Keith Emerson to have a bit of a wank over his keyboard. Brain Salad Surgery was my first encounter with the crap side of prog rock. Prog rock's main failing was when it let the technical mastery of the instruments dominate the songwriting.
My only major complaint with Brain Salad Surgery is that the synths don't sound as good as I've heard Keith play.
It is dumb and hilarious in some respects, but the effort they put into it makes sense for them to be like that.
People could say the same about Yes' Tales of Topographic Oceans. Which I agree, doesn't quite explode as much as they used to, but it is still a good listen.
Also Greg Lake has a good voice in Court of the Crimson King
Yea but fuck his voice in ELP
[quote=Greg Lake]You can rent your blues and photograph your souls
You can even dig some diamonds out of rock and roll
You can change the world, but if you lose control
They will take away our T-shirts[/quote]
Seriously was he even trying
[QUOTE=Reset Panda;32809976]Yea but fuck his voice in ELP
Seriously was he even trying[/QUOTE]
Not at all, what's worse is that in brain salad surgery he collaborated with Pete Sinfield who is a great lyricist
Its funny that Karn Evil 9 is considered to be one of their best works but I find it tedious due to the fact that halfway through they change its story completely, which is just so stupid
We should probably move this to the prog rock thread though. Back to Floyd.
woo floyd
Rehashing topics what is your favourite Floyd album
lets be fair guys we've discussed Floyd to death
My only complaint with Brain Salad Surgery is that all the other tracks other than Karn Evil 9 are terrible. :smug:
[sp]apart from tocatta[/sp]
Jerusalem is fantastic and tooooo short
Karn Evil 9 does not impress me, I just can't do it
but AK'z just pointing out that saying something pretentious is actually a legitimate complaint about an album as both me and Panda seem to mean the same thing - that it is difficult to connect to the music in a meaningful way due to its pretentiousness and thus the experience suffers as a whole
I only have their debut and Works Volume 1. Havent listened to their debut yet
[QUOTE=OctopusGuy;32799873]I feel I haven't posted in here a while so here I am.
I'll try and get the Gdansk stream organised for another time soon, I'm swamped with work at the momento. I CAN'T LET YOU GUYS DOWN AAA[/QUOTE]Do me a favor, PM me your usual method for streaming so I can figure out how to get Remember That Night streaming. I'll have to do it on a day off when I'm bored, as it's kinda long, but truly amazing.
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