Hey You in the demos makes more sense inbetween Comfortably Numb(AKA The Doctor) and The Show Must Go On because it's call back to Is There Anybody Out There Part 2.
namely the lyrics
"Out there on your own/naked by the telephone/casually leaning on the wall/to stop you falling/waiting for the call"
This turns Hey You from a mildly unfitting flip-flop between "Was my wall a good idea?" and "oh god i'm trapped" to a major callback.
[editline]10th January 2012[/editline]
Jesus christ some of these demos are genuinely frightening and harrowing to listen to(Is There Anybody Out There part 3 in particular.)
I just discovered "Meddle" and "Obscured by Clouds" a few days ago....man, I think I'm going to have to update my top 10 Floyd list! I've always been a huge fan of DSOTM and the albums that follow("The Wall" is my all time favorite), so right now I'm venturing farther back into the past to listen to works like "Atom Heart Mother" and "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn". Piper's pretty damn good so far; takes a couple of listens before it clicks though, in my opinion. Lucifer Sam is probably my favorite off of that album.
[QUOTE=phantom87;34152191]I just discovered "Meddle" and "Obscured by Clouds" a few days ago....man, I think I'm going to have to update my top 10 Floyd list! I've always been a huge fan of DSOTM and the albums that follow("The Wall" is my all time favorite), so right now I'm venturing farther back into the past to listen to works like "Atom Heart Mother" and "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn". Piper's pretty damn good so far; takes a couple of listens before it clicks though, in my opinion. Lucifer Sam is probably my favorite off of that album.[/QUOTE]
Astronomy Domine, man, that's where it's at. Meddle is great, always a good listen.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os2OiZ-kws[/media]
oh guys, the new Guitar World or Guitar Player, I don't recall, has a spot on Pink Floyd. And they had an album art for Meddle by Storm that was never released as a poster. I need to get my old man to get the poster out for me. I need to replace the Ummagumma one on my door now.
Should i seek out Pros And Cons?
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;34163110]Should i seek out Pros And Cons?[/QUOTE]
Grab it bro. It's much better than The Final Cut because of the guitar work.
[QUOTE=AK'z;34163170]Grab it bro. It's much better than The Final Cut because of the guitar work.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think that The Final Cut is better than Pros and Cons.
I love The Final Cut, probably because a large portion of it is about The Teacher. But i really like the music on it, Despite its controversial status.
[QUOTE=Hakita;34163210]Actually, I think that The Final Cut is better than Pros and Cons.[/QUOTE]
so what.
[editline]11th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;34163366]I love The Final Cut, probably because a large portion of it is about The Teacher. But i really like the music on it, Despite its controversial status.[/QUOTE]
The Final Cut is a half-assed attempt at a Wall remake.
[QUOTE=AK'z;34164280]so what.
[editline]11th January 2012[/editline]
The Final Cut is a half-assed attempt at a Wall remake.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it's half assed nor a remake. I'd more say it's a quasi-sequel.
he said Pink Floyd was a spent force, but it's more likely he couldn't be arsed to persuade the others to be creative.
The Final Cut is a nice companion-piece to The Wall. Although the material on it is weaker than on previous albums, as Gilmour commented, it still has some great songs.
However, I do disagree with Gilmour on the opinion that just because a certain demo/song doesn't work for an album it's shit. All it means is that it might work for another project.
Final Cut isn't even close to the theme of the Wall, its pretty much completely an anti-Thatcher album whereas the Wall was a lot more all-encompassing
I'm not saying it's close to the [I]theme[/I] of the wall, I'm saying it's got similar [I]concepts[/I] to The Wall, The first "block" of songs, about the war veteran(Up to Fletcher Memorial Home) are, at least from my understanding, the Teacher's explanation of why he's got his own Wall and why he takes his aggression out on the schoolkids.
Although the lyrics in "The Final Cut" don't grab me as much as "The Wall" or "Animals", it's the melodies throughout that got me hooked to it. Since it's so subdued and mellow, it's nice to tune in to on a rainy afternoon or at night. I just can't really relate to the whole Thatcher/politics of the album.
On a side note, me and my dad just got through playing pool while listening to "Meddle". [i]Echoes[/i] sounds phenomenal when played through 5.1 surround sound.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;34169846]The first [b]"block"[/b] of songs[/QUOTE]
I see what you did there.
The Final Cut song could also be seen as a continuation of themes from the previous album. It's like ok you've got your walls torn down, what next?
[QUOTE=phantom87;34169972]Although the lyrics in "The Final Cut" don't grab me as much as "The Wall" or "Animals", it's the melodies throughout that got me hooked to it. Since it's so subdued and mellow, it's nice to tune in to on a rainy afternoon or at night. I just can't really relate to the whole Thatcher/politics of the album.
On a side note, me and my dad just got through playing pool while listening to "Meddle". [i]Echoes[/i] sounds phenomenal when played through 5.1 surround sound.[/QUOTE]
For me it's the inverse. I can listen to any part of The Wall or WYWH or DSOTM or anything by Floyd any time [I]EXCEPT[/I] final cut, It's just too damn depressing for me to stick on any time. Especially Two Suns.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;34169732]Final Cut isn't even close to the theme of the Wall, its pretty much completely an anti-Thatcher album whereas the Wall was a lot more all-encompassing[/QUOTE]
I thought The Wall was about self-isolation, hence building a wall in his mind to separate himself from society.
[QUOTE=Pops;34170301]I thought The Wall was about self-isolation, hence building a wall in his mind to separate himself from society.[/QUOTE]
Hence more all-encompassing, because that's what people in general do sometimes.
I'm sure you could make arguments that The Final Cut is all-encompassing too, but it seems to only really hit home for people who are vets, anti-war, lived under Thatcher in the UK, etc.
[editline]11th January 2012[/editline]
Broken string = longer first solo :D
[video=youtube;oOleJRn39J8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOleJRn39J8[/video]
[video=youtube;-2SxzlINcGk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2SxzlINcGk[/video]
I love this song.
I hate to say it but i cannot listen to Arnold Layne or Candy And A Currant Bun. they're far too sixties for me, I prefer the more proggy, spacey stuff, Like the entirety of WYWH.
Does anyone know where I could find The Piper at the Gates of Dawn on vinyl for a pretty decent price?
I've checked on eBay, but they are all like $50.00+..
:/
[editline]12th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=phantom87;34152191]I just discovered "Meddle" and "Obscured by Clouds" a few days ago....man, I think I'm going to have to update my top 10 Floyd list! I've always been a huge fan of DSOTM and the albums that follow("The Wall" is my all time favorite), so right now I'm venturing farther back into the past to listen to works like "Atom Heart Mother" and "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn". Piper's pretty damn good so far; takes a couple of listens before it clicks though, in my opinion. Lucifer Sam is probably my favorite off of that album.[/QUOTE]
I thought Lucifer Sam's lyrics were the funniest off that album,
"you're the left side, he's the right side, Oh nooooooo".
Makes me laugh every time, but such a damn good song.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;34175959]I hate to say it but i cannot listen to Arnold Layne or Candy And A Currant Bun. they're far too sixties for me, I prefer the more proggy, spacey stuff, Like the entirety of WYWH.[/QUOTE]
At first I was like that too. Then I realised the error of my ways.
Syd Barrett's Madcap Laughs.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;34175959]I hate to say it but i cannot listen to Arnold Layne or Candy And A Currant Bun. they're far too sixties for me, I prefer the more proggy, spacey stuff, Like the entirety of WYWH.[/QUOTE]
Oh come on, Arnold Layne is great!
Piper is a great example of "out there" psych rock. I think after Syd was out, they tried to attempt to be a great psych band again but then realised what they were actually capable of.
Maybe Meddle began that.
Here's my take on The Final Cut and I'm sticking to it, [b]period[/b].
[quote][i]The Final Cut[/i] is largely about Pink finally facing all his problems that he hid from in [i]The Wall[/i], starting with the death of his father, the first brick.
In "The Post War Dream" Pink feels that the memory of his father and everyone else who died during WWII is greatly betrayed by Margaret Thatcher, hence why he stabs at her so much and asks, "What happened to the post war dream?", "Your Possible Pasts" is a semi reflection upon Pink himself while the memory of his father still burns strong in his mind as well. "One Of The Few" is another self-reflection, this time solely upon himself and the rock 'n roll fame life, and the profound effect it's had on him. "When The Tigers Broke Free" is a retelling of Pink's father's death. "The Hero's Return" briefly jumps out of Pink's perspective (like what Mother and Comfortably Numb did, but longer) and into a WWII bomber pilot veteren who's haunted by the memory of his bubble gunner's death. "The Gunner's Dream" is a surreal fantasy about that gunner's dream of post war england during his last moments. "Paranoid Eyes" jumps back into Pink as he goes through another self-relfection of his life overall. "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert" is another stab at Maggie, along with a couple other leaders from the time. "The Fletcher Memorial Home" is Pink's fantasy of taking all the world leaders he feels are betrayals of his father's memory and locking them away and exterminating them (a brief hark back to his facist persona). "Southhampton Dock" is a retelling of the last time Pink's mother saw his father. "The Final Cut" is yet another self-reflection of Pink, but back to when his wall first came down, and his attempts of reconnection with the world. "Not Now John" is snap back to reality ("Fuck all that, we've got to get on with these.") as Pink attempts to prepare for a promo film, while arguing with a friend who just wants to go out drinking ("Not now John I've got to get on with the film show," and "Come at the end of the shift we'll go and get pissed.") "Two Suns In The Sunset" is the song Pink performs for the promo, a culmination of all of his feelings of betrayal and his predictions of our future based on the direction were heading as a species.[/quote]
If we're posting analyses. Here's my take on Waiting For The Worms:
The song is about Pink, A dictator, Having lost control of his followers, and is waiting to die, Much like Hitler, And the hammers represent his mindless, destructive, violent followers, Having taken his message to project their angst and hatred of the world on others. Just like the Teacher did to his pupils, and pink did to his loved ones.
are you guys more interested in the concept than the music. just wondering. :-)
I like a balance between the two. Too much concept and you get something like The Final Cut. Too much music and you get something like Spacepunch.
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