So hypothetically could one scan an entire book, 3200 characters at a time, and just put it up on pastebin as links to the Library of Babel and have it be legal?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;48751659]So hypothetically could one scan an entire book, 3200 characters at a time, and just put it up on pastebin as links to the Library of Babel and have it be legal?[/QUOTE]
On that note, I hope he doesn't get sued for hosting literally every single written work that exist has existed or will ever exist in the standard alphabet
[QUOTE=Jodern;48751668]On that note, I hope he doesn't get sued for hosting literally every single written work that exist has existed or will ever exist in the standard alphabet[/QUOTE]
"This section of the 10^5000 characters has been blocked because of a DMCA notice." :v:
Does anybody what the first few songs in the video are?
That website contains an exact description of how each one of us individually dies
It acts like a hashtable, but invertible and lazy. The keys are "hexagons + walls + shelves + volumes" and the values are short messages.
For the value "adjoint divided by determinant", we have a key: hexagon "21wwba..1 2 skip a few...rjqma6", wall 2, shelf 4, volume 13.
That value is [I]30[/I] characters long, but its key is [I]3,254[/I] characters long, and that's not counting the walls or shelves or volumes. See how much significantly larger the key is than the value?
If you're talking about transferring images through the library, 320x256, 24 bit each pixel, that's a value of length [I]1,966,080[/I]. What kind of monstrous key are we expecting for a value that large? At that point, you'd transfer the image itself rather than wait for the windows clipboard to grow old and die.
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;48751372]Consider a computer that generates a completely random image that's 620x740 every time. Every pixel is given a random colour. Theoretically, this computer could show literally everything possible that could be displayed on its monitor.
Every image would have 458800 pixels all together. Every pixel would be 24 bits in true colour, capable of producing 16,777,216 colour variations with 256 different shades of red, 256 shades of green and 256 shades of blue mixed together.
(458800x16,777,216 )^2 = [B]59,249,762,021,652,708,720,640,000[/B] individual images to see.
If you looked at every one of those images for half a second each, it would take 29,788,140,994.33 years to see every image.
(I'm not a great math student, so tell me if if I fucked up somewhere along here)[/QUOTE]
I feel like somebody needs to do this, and just find [I]one[/I] image from it that's something we can look at and go "that's a photo"
Surely scanning through photos at a relatively fast pace, maybe even image recognition software to see if it works as well.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;48752810]I feel like somebody needs to do this, and just find [I]one[/I] image from it that's something we can look at and go "that's a photo"
Surely scanning through photos at a relatively fast pace, maybe even image recognition software to see if it works as well.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if there's some script that can create a 620x740 image using a set amount of colours, pixel by pixel.
You could decrease the amount by lowering colour bit-depth and the DPI, or making all the images monotone, but it would still be a huge amount of images.
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;48751372]Consider a computer that generates a completely random image that's 620x740 every time. Every pixel is given a random colour. Theoretically, this computer could show literally everything possible that could be displayed on its monitor.
Every image would have 458800 pixels all together. Every pixel would be 24 bits in true colour, capable of producing 16,777,216 colour variations with 256 different shades of red, 256 shades of green and 256 shades of blue mixed together.
(458800x16,777,216 )^2 = [B]59,249,762,021,652,708,720,640,000[/B] individual images to see.
If you looked at every one of those images for half a second each, it would take 29,788,140,994.33 years to see every image.
(I'm not a great math student, so tell me if if I fucked up somewhere along here)[/QUOTE]
and because its of EVERY VARIATION, you COULD find an image where gabe newell and walt disney are tap dancing with top hats on
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;48750979]So if we made a powerful enough AI it could search the library and find all accurate information and test it to know everything?[/QUOTE]
No. The Library of Babel isn't really anything special. Here's a simpler similar situation that you can compare to the Library of Babel to better understand why it's not really useful in that method:
I have an excel sheet of everyone's social security number. It looks like this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5LSGHUx.png[/IMG]
I have your social security number in the list, but there's no way for me to tell which one is yours without knowing beforehand. In that way, a list of infinite combinations isn't useful in the slightest.
[t]http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1426425023-20121107.gif[/t]
[editline]24th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;48749471]Unfortunately it looks like the Library of Babel Website is getting pounded right now.
Wouldn't it be possible to do the same thing with Images, or even Videos?[/QUOTE]
Technically, this already exists. As long as you can convert an image into base 26, you can find any image in the Library of Babel.
[editline]24th September 2015[/editline]
So, now that this Library of Babel thing is getting popular, how long before some daft copyright lawyer attempts a DMCA takedown?
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;48751372]Consider a computer that generates a completely random image that's 620x740 every time. Every pixel is given a random colour. Theoretically, this computer could show literally everything possible that could be displayed on its monitor.
Every image would have 458800 pixels all together. Every pixel would be 24 bits in true colour, capable of producing 16,777,216 colour variations with 256 different shades of red, 256 shades of green and 256 shades of blue mixed together.
(458800x16,777,216 )^2 = [B]59,249,762,021,652,708,720,640,000[/B] individual images to see.
If you looked at every one of those images for half a second each, it would take 29,788,140,994.33 years to see every image.
(I'm not a great math student, so tell me if if I fucked up somewhere along here)[/QUOTE]
More faulty math based on your faulty math:
If almost every person in America was checking pictures at the half-second rate, it'd only take 100 years to see and record every possible image. If the world population got internet access and joined in, it'd take 4 years.
Face recognition software, image reverse searching, and color clustering can whittle a shitload of 'static' from images that contain legible shapes and objects. You can also reduce the resolution a little bit more, and maybe posterize a bit (from 256 shades of RGB) to reduce time again.
I'd use it.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;48754050]More faulty math based on your faulty math:
If almost every person in America was checking pictures at the half-second rate, it'd only take 100 years to see and record every possible image. If the world population got internet access and joined in, it'd take 4 years.
Face recognition software, image reverse searching, and color clustering can whittle a shitload of 'static' from images that contain legible shapes and objects. You can also reduce the resolution a little bit more, and maybe posterize a bit (from 256 shades of RGB) to reduce time again.
I'd use it.[/QUOTE]
I'm almost completely sure you're wrong, if you take that 5.9*10^25 pictures and consider 300 million for the population of America.
600 million pictures per second, divide them and and pictures cancel out, giving you 9.8*10^16 seconds, which is 3.1 billion years.
I don't see how you got 100 years for the population of America, each viewing 2 images per second.
i can never get on to the library
[url=https://babelia.libraryofbabel.info/slideshow.html]They already did the library of images thing[/url]
[sp]it's noise[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ott;48757151][url=https://babelia.libraryofbabel.info/slideshow.html]They already did the library of images thing[/url]
[sp]it's noise[/sp][/QUOTE]
Just you wait, I'll find the sequence of images depicting real-life hitler wearing a clown wig in every possible orientation.
[QUOTE=Ott;48757151][url=https://babelia.libraryofbabel.info/slideshow.html]They already did the library of images thing[/url]
[sp]it's noise[/sp][/QUOTE]
Has anyone actually found any semi recognizable images with that?
The only thing i can't really seem to understand is that the section marked "Random english words" in the search section picks up on every norwegian word i type in.
[url=http://postimg.org/image/tavhjopnd/][img]http://s28.postimg.org/tavhjopnd/hmmmm.jpg[/img][/url]
I know the science makes sense and all that but something here smells fishy, it's like it only pastes what you write into a random page to create the illusion of being a coincidence.
[QUOTE=dannass;48758158]The only thing i can't really seem to understand is that the section marked "Random english words" in the search section picks up on every norwegian word i type in.
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Same thing happens with transliterated Russian words and sentences.
Yeah, I think it just pastes whatever you typed into the search.
[QUOTE=gudman;48758211]Same thing happens with transliterated Russian words and sentences.
Yeah, I think it just pastes whatever you typed into the search.[/QUOTE]
Fucking knew it. Now we got two pages of pure awkwardness.
You're both wrong :v
It contains all combinations of words possible to make with the 29 available characters. Language doesn't matter, everything is there.
It doesn't store anything you type in.
There's 10^8000 or so pages, you shouldn't be surprised at it containing Norwegian stuff.
Read into it before making assumptions.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48758274]You're both wrong :v
It contains all combinations if words possible to make with the 29 available characters. Language doesn't matter, everything is there.
It doesn't store anything you type in.
There's 10^8000 or so pages, you shouldn't be surprised at it containing Norwegian stuff.
Read into it before making assumptions.[/QUOTE]
But the section i'm pointing out is the "random english words" section. Which doesn't contain russian or norwegian words. How do you explain that?
It just seems weird that the page shows lots of random english words then suddenly it changes to norwegian then to english words again. I looked through lots and lots of pages and not even once did i see any other language except for the words i typed in on that one search result page.
Does someone know the last song used in the Zipf video? I've been searching for it
[QUOTE=paul simon;48758274]You're both wrong :v
It contains all combinations if words possible to make with the 29 available characters. Language doesn't matter, everything is there.
It doesn't store anything you type in.
There's 10^8000 or so pages, you shouldn't be surprised at it containing Norwegian stuff.
Read into it before making assumptions.[/QUOTE]
What I don't understand is the "with random English words" tab in search results. Those pages literally consist of, as stated, random English words, complete words at that, and an odd part of a word here and there. How do those "books" work? Because those sure as shit don't look like they were formed with random characters, rather, random words from a dictionary.
[QUOTE=dannass;48758285]But the section i'm pointing out is the "random english words" section. Which doesn't contain russian or norwegian words. How do you explain that?
It just seems weird that the page shows lots of random english words then suddenly it changes to norwegian then to english words again. I looked through lots and lots of pages and not even once did i see any other language except for the words i typed in on that one search result page.[/QUOTE]
Because you set it to search for pages that had your content + English words surrounding it.
You can filter it so that it only finds pages with your content + nothing(spaces), your content + random gibberish, or your content surrounded by random English words.
You can of course also find your content surrounded by random Norwegian words, but you just have to search for that manually because the search engine didn't include a Norwegian dictionary.
I don't get what confuses you, it's behaving exactly like expected.
With the sites average loading time of 99^9999 years I calculate that I will find something legible in never.
[QUOTE=gudman;48758304]What I don't understand is the "with random English words" tab in search results. Those pages literally consist of, as stated, random English words, complete words at that, and an odd part of a word here and there. How do those "books" work? Because those sure as shit don't look like they were formed with random characters, rather, random words from a dictionary.[/QUOTE]
Again, it's something like 10^8000 pages. Do you know how high of a number that is?
It's high enough that the pages can and will contain every single thing you can possibly write using those letters, no matter the language.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48758342]Because you set it to search for pages that had your content + English words surrounding it.
You can filter it so that it only finds pages with your content + nothing(spaces), your content + random gibberish, or your content surrounded by random English words.
You can of course also find your content surrounded by random Norwegian words, but you just have to search for that manually because the search engine didn't include a Norwegian dictionary.
I don't get what confuses you, it's behaving exactly like expected.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I think I get it. It doesn't [b]search pages[/b] containing random English words. It's the other way around. It finds whatever you typed into the search, and then of those that it found it also searches for pages that consist of nothing but complete words. So it's something that it does [b]after[/b] the main search protocol is finished.
[QUOTE=dannass;48758285]But the section i'm pointing out is the "random english words" section. Which doesn't contain russian or norwegian words. How do you explain that?
It just seems weird that the page shows lots of random english words then suddenly it changes to norwegian then to english words again. I looked through lots and lots of pages and not even once did i see any other language except for the words i typed in on that one search result page.[/QUOTE]
The library contains EVERY possible combination of letters. Including a perfect list of english words surrounding your choosen phrase, and every possible variation of that list.
And since ever page has its own number, title, shelf, wall and hexagon, you could seatch it manually and find that same list, even guide others to it. It doesnt paste anything in.
[IMG]http://c-van.s-ul.eu/qeinptbQ[/IMG]
HELP
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