[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;27599893]What was the last war the Western World has won since World War 2?
Excluding the Falklands War, which was more of an incident then an actual war.[/QUOTE]
What was the last war that was a proper War, not one fought against insurgents and combatants embedded deeply in territory familiar to them? Wars against more disorganized forces are much harder if not impossible to "win".
[QUOTE=not_Morph53;27599671]"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell[/QUOTE]
"That quote is really overused" -- Sir Tristan
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27599929]politics dont have to pay for that themselves you know.[/QUOTE]
Taxes.
I'm waiting for the idiots to swarm into this thread with "USE NUKES LOL"
America just futzes up the war [i]it[/i] starts.
The Geneva Convention only applies to soldiers. Terrorists don't wear uniforms, and thus aren't soldiers.
Also, where's the Geneva convention when they make videos cutting American's heads off? Why should the terrorists, as prisoners, get any rights?
[QUOTE=Ardosos;27600010]The Geneva Convention only applies to soldiers. Terrorists don't wear uniforms, and thus aren't soldiers.
Also, where's the Geneva convention when they make videos cutting American's heads off? Why should the terrorists, as prisoners, get any rights?[/QUOTE]
Because we're better than them. Really, you don't see the obvious problem with "they don't respect rights so we shouldn't either"?
[QUOTE=hhcheese;27599628]"There is no peace without war" - Tolstoy[/QUOTE]
"War is Peace"
[U]1984[/U].
i honestly think we nuke all are enemies
I'm all for avoiding war entirely, but it's too romanticized and ingrained in our understanding of global politics for that to happen anytime soon.
But no, we're not fighting wars right, because we're not fighting actual wars. Or at least, we're not fighting wars in their traditional sense (against another nation). We've fought against ideas, like Communism in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and terrorism in the Iraq and Afghan wars.
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
-- General George Patton
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;27599931]What was the last war that was a proper War, not one fought against insurgents and combatants embedded deeply in territory familiar to them? Wars against more disorganized forces are much harder if not impossible to "win".[/QUOTE]
I addressed this myth in another thread, so I'm not going to waste time explaining it all over again, but simply, just know this: There are many cases in history where insurgencies/rebellions have been crushed by sheer force from military forces much more incompetent and much smaller than the US military.
This evidently may not have been the case in Iraq, but the idea that insurgencies are not winnable is retarded.
InB4 some retard posts "you can't fight ideas"
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;27600035]Because we're better than them. Really, you don't see the obvious problem with "they don't respect rights so we shouldn't either"?[/QUOTE]
Saying "I'm better than you so I won't do x" doesn't save lives or get results. I'm not saying go in with CCR playing on the radio and shooting everything but if we didn't have all these absolute bullshit rules we could of saved a lot of time and lives.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;27600133]I addressed this myth in another thread, so I'm not going to waste time explaining it all over again, but simply, just know this: There are many cases in history where insurgencies/rebellions have been crushed by sheer force from military forces much more incompetent and much smaller than the US military.
This evidently may not have been the case in Iraq, but the idea that insurgencies are not winnable is retarded.
InB4 some retard posts "you can't fight ideas"[/QUOTE]
How often have these insurgencies/rebellions been in countries thousands of miles away from the army's home? And it's not not winnable, just much harder. You can target and destroy the major factories pumping out arms for an army. For a disorganized force, not so much.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;27600144]Saying "I'm better than you so I won't do x" doesn't save lives or get results. I'm not saying go in with CCR playing on the radio and shooting everything but if we didn't have all these absolute bullshit rules we could of saved a lot of time and lives.[/QUOTE]
What rules prevent us from getting what results?
[QUOTE=l33tkill;27600130]"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
-- General George Patton[/QUOTE]
Holy shit it's like everyone in here just decided to post death quotes from MW2 in here.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;27600182]Holy shit it's like everyone in here just decided to post death quotes from MW2 in here.[/QUOTE]
It's a good quote now chill the fuck out, and mw2 sucks balls.
The lives of American soldiers are more important than those of Middle Eastern civilians.
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27600237]The lives of American soldiers are more important than those of Middle Eastern civilians.[/QUOTE]
Why?
You all should look into the Afgan war "pre invasion". Before the Army/Marines/National Guard etc. came the entire war was fought with CIA drones and local militia. And god damn it was effective. Very minimal civilian causalities and the insurgents were losing moral because they were fighting an invisible enemy (drones). Should have kept it that way.
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27600237]The lives of American soldiers are more important than those of Middle Eastern civilians.[/QUOTE]
At first I thought you were being sarcastic but after realizing you made this thread I dont know.
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27599474]Pretty much every war since World War II has been fought [b]without the intention of winning right away.[/b][/QUOTE]
I fixed your post OP, it seems you made a pretty big typo.
Also, I wish we would just get in there, and dominate right away, it's not like we don't have the power, it's just all politics.
[editline]22nd January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=evilweazel;27600182]Holy shit it's like everyone in here just decided to post death quotes from MW2 in here.[/QUOTE]
Hey, hey, hey.
That's a Call of Duty 1 death quote. Get it right.
[QUOTE=hhcheese;27599863]
[editline]22nd January 2011[/editline]Well with the Taliban it's opium.[/QUOTE]
Kill all drugies, win war.
we stopped fighting wars right when we stopped using these bad boys
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Generals no longer fight wars, Politicians fight wars.
And yet, you always hear of politicians speaking of living for their country and serving their country, but what do they know about dying for their country?
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27600237]The lives of American soldiers are more important than those of Middle Eastern civilians.[/QUOTE]
Fuck no they're not
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;27600158]How often have these insurgencies/rebellions been in countries thousands of miles away from the army's home? And it's not not winnable, just much harder. You can target and destroy the major factories pumping out arms for an army. For a disorganized force, not so much.[/QUOTE]
Not very often. You have to understand, most of these cases were fought by armies who don't have the red tape that 1st world countries have to deal with, so often they fought insurgencies by committing terribly inhumane acts of war. Virtually destroying the will of rebels because the price was too high to keep fighting.
Obviously fighting a war like that isn't an option for any decent human being, so in our 1st world countries, your options for fighting unconventional warfare are very limited. However, this is what Special Forces excel at. Unfortunately in Iraq and A-stan, almost every countries forces are held up by retarded ROEs and political red tape. There have be so many cases in A-stan where various SF units were close to capturing high value targets, but couldn't because they have to wait to be cleared and given the go ahead.
As someone else said, these wars are in effect, being controlled by politicians.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -Martin Luther King, Jr.
It's much harder to make people believe that you're fighting a defensive war when you're just leveling a country. Israel isn't exactly well-liked for their actions in Gaza, and even they are holding back.
You say America isn't fighting wars the right way but is there really a RIGHT way to fight a war? No, my friends, war is hell!
we technically aren't fighting wars
we're not at war but we are fighting battles
we haven't officially declared war against anyone since ww2
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