[QUOTE=Mr. Bleak;39719167]How does Wolf/TulAmmo run compared to brass case? I've heard very conflicting stories from people while selling them ammo. I have one guy that buys it exclusively for his 9mm, AR, and just about every other caliber we carry it in where others refuse to touch it because it's "dirty and jams every 3 shots"
One guy told me the guys at TulAmmo did a stress test with 5k rounds of their ammo vs brass and there was no difference in fouling or accuracy.[/QUOTE]
As far as FTE's and FTF's go, I've never had an issue. Wolf and tulammo .223 runs through my SiG556 flawlessly without issue. Wolf and tulammo 7.62x39 run through my AK(lol) without a hitch either. I've heard wolf and tulammo are a lot more temperamental on AR's than they are on anything else. Wolf and tul are very dirty rounds though, clean your firearms good after you shoot wolf.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39718952]model 12 > 1897[/QUOTE]
You should be executed for this blasphemous talk
model 12 wins and if you disagree you've never held either one. the model 12 is hands down the better firearm
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also slamfiring is smoother in a model 12
Well they both are capable of successfully firing a 12ga shotgun shell and the 1897 is 1000% cooler looking. So 1897 wins
[t]http://home.earthlink.net/~sharpsshtr/TrenchGun/TrenchGun.jpg[/t]
cant get much more sexy than that
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39718952]model 12 > 1897[/QUOTE]
why cant I disagree with this multiple times
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[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39719366]model 12 wins and if you disagree you've never held either one. the model 12 is hands down the better firearm
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also slamfiring is smoother in a model 12[/QUOTE]
who the fuck buys 100 year old shotguns for function
sorry you're just wrong
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[QUOTE=Timebomb575;39719740]why cant I disagree with this multiple times
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who the fuck buys 100 year old shotguns for function[/QUOTE]
they're better than nearly everything on the market today, who wouldn't?
Does that have a barrel shroud?! Jesus fucking Christ it is a weapon of mass destruction. What do we do! WHAT DO I DO!
By god that is a sexy firearm. I'm going to add it to my list of "must get guns".
[QUOTE=Mr. Bleak;39719167]How does Wolf/TulAmmo run compared to brass case? I've heard very conflicting stories from people while selling them ammo. I have one guy that buys it exclusively for his 9mm, AR, and just about every other caliber we carry it in where others refuse to touch it because it's "dirty and jams every 3 shots"
One guy told me the guys at TulAmmo did a stress test with 5k rounds of their ammo vs brass and there was no difference in fouling or accuracy.[/QUOTE]
I sa a test done by someone through brand new AR15s.
They fired 5k rounds through each gun. One fired Wolf, one fired Winchester somethings, one fired US military surplus.
At the end of it, the Winchesters had the least wear. The Wolf barrel no longer met military standards for accuracy, the surplus military stuff wasn't far behind, the Winchester stuff was ok for another few thousand.
They also had another steel cased brand for testing but it refused to cycle properly so they stopped after a few hundred rounds
I'll see if I can find it
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Here we go: [url]http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/[/url]
It was 10k rounds, the bad brand was Tulammo
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39717198]there are only a few areas you need them. NY is the only one that comes to mind[/QUOTE]
Unless you have a CC permit you need a pistol permit in North Carolina as well. Fortunately we are a shall-issue state.
From the /k/ - stupidest things you've done thread :
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[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39719219]As far as FTE's and FTF's go, I've never had an issue. Wolf and tulammo .223 runs through my SiG556 flawlessly without issue. Wolf and tulammo 7.62x39 run through my AK(lol) without a hitch either. I've heard wolf and tulammo are a lot more temperamental on AR's than they are on anything else. Wolf and tul are very dirty rounds though, clean your firearms good after you shoot wolf.[/QUOTE]
If I understand the issues properly, it sounds like where people run into issue with steel ammo is in shortened carbine-length barrels where the gas tube is not the adequate size compared to the original 20" barrel of the AR-15's design. That is where shooters get the most trouble with the lower quality and cost ammo is because of that shorter tube and less pressure buildup.
Though; the link you posted was for .30-06 which I see most people popping into bolt and pumps more-so than semis, in which case a good cleaning is all that's really needed, like any other normal round.
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[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39719749]sorry you're just wrong
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Damn, that's a beautiful gun with a massive blade. In the end of the day; all that really matters is you can royally fuck shit up with both of the guns, because they're both amazing... yes?
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;39714315]It's a phase in life that everyone eventually outgrows because they realize that most people are either assholes, apathetic or both.[/QUOTE]
lol ur a defeatist. assholes make my love of anarchocapitalism stronger because i know if it were to be accepted, those people would be the first to leave the country.
Tulammo is a big debate among gun owners. The biggest thing I have found is it really depends on the gun. I've put roughly 2000+ rounds of Tulammo through my Colt with zero issue. I am at about an 8000 total round count currently, and I still have not cleaned the rifle. I have been seeing what it will take to cause the rifle to FTF or FTE, but I have not had this happen yet.
I went as far as to call Colt and see what they say about Tulammo and steel ammo in general. The Colt rep said that all of their rifles are capable of shooting steel ammo without issue, and that shooting Tulammo is perfectly fine. I went even further to see what other manufacturers say, and the it was the response every time. As long as the ammo is SAAMI-rated, you can shoot it in their rifles. This was a consistent response from S&W, Del-Ton, RRA, and DPMS. I'm sure other manufacturers are the same.
At this point, the only issues I have seen with Tulammo is it gets a bad rap. Different people will say different things about Tulammo or Wolf, but in reality any problems they had stemmed from the rifle itself.
Yeah, the only Fail-to-feed's I've had with tulammo/wolf stemmed from the beat up old STANAG I was using, or the shitty romanian 40 rounders I have. Only issue I've heard with it come from temperamental AR's and 1911's.
I just now realized your avatar is a soldier shooting
I've shot wolf and tulammo as well, and never have I had an issue to feed it through anything. As a matter of fact the only ammo that I have ever used that did give consistent issue was Winchester White Box 9mm through a Glock of all things because the brass, the ammo in general, was held to the same quality control levels as a Taiwanese hooker...
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[QUOTE=Raijin;39722196]lol ur a defeatist. assholes make my love of anarchocapitalism stronger because i know if it were to be accepted, those people would be the first to leave the country.[/QUOTE]
I prefer to think of myself as a realist...
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I prefer to think of myself as a realist...[/QUOTE]
Strange line of thinking though: "People are assholes and apathetic so we need a government".
The problem is that the government is made of people, which now have more power over your existence than if it didn't exist in the first place. I don't know about you, but i'd prefer my assholes without say over my stuff (Feinstein anyone?).
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not an anarchist and i agree with what you say. I'm just questioning your reasoning.
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;39722607]I just now realized your avatar is a soldier shooting[/QUOTE]
yeah for some reason people have a hard time telling what may avatar is.
[quote]Mbbird - 10th January 2013
At first I thought your avatar was a dude stabbing Chewbacca in the neck with his dick.[/quote]
Seriously, what is up with the gen4 glocks? Last saturday some guy was trying to put some 124 grain 9mm through his Gen4 G17 and it jammed 6 times, 1 after another. And then my grandfather got his gen2 out and put the same mag in and it worked just fine. Both guns were as clean as a whistle. Are the Gen4's really THAT tempermental?
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;39723686]Seriously, what is up with the gen4 glocks? Last saturday some guy was trying to put some 124 grain 9mm through his Gen4 G17 and it jammed 6 times, 1 after another. And then my grandfather got his gen2 out and put the same mag in and it worked just fine. Both guns were as clean as a whistle. Are the Gen4's really THAT tempermental?[/QUOTE]
Never handled a Gen4, so I can't say. Personally though, I'd go with a Gen3. The few extra features on the Gen4 are pointless in my eyes, and not all parts can be changed with previous generations.
I had planned on getting a Gen3 as the gen4's feel very odd in my hand.
all gens feel the same to me cept for some have finger grooves.
The gen 4 has a much more 'grippy' feel to it, the checkering is much deeper and crisp compared to the gen 3 which also feels a bit odd cause its not as comfortable as the previous grips.
gen 1 is the best feeling imo, the finger grooves don't fit my hand on later models
glocks suck etc.
I've never had a problem with wolf aside from filthy barrels. That and my Mosin seems to prefer the 70's milsurp stuff
[QUOTE=Black Milano;39722855]Strange line of thinking though: "People are assholes and apathetic so we need a government".
The problem is that the government is made of people, which now have more power over your existence than if it didn't exist in the first place. I don't know about you, but i'd prefer my assholes without say over my stuff (Feinstein anyone?).
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not an anarchist and i agree with what you say. I'm just questioning your reasoning.[/QUOTE]
I think I might need to clarify, I feel that it is a realistic assumption to think a good portion of people are apathetic or assholes, I don't mean to say that governments are always fantastic, I am just saying that the real chance of a Anarchocapitolist socioeconomic system existing in a country is so remote that it isn't worth considering seriously, I don't mean to offend but to merely suggest that one should streamline their views to fit within the commonly acceptable political system as opposed to saying they are something all the time and having zero impact politically.
As to the Government being made of people, yes and those people can be fuckheads like Fienstien, but we do need a government, and it can't be too decentralized or too central, Totalitarians are bad because it puts too much control in the hands of too few, while Anarchism or Libertarianism is unfavorable because it takes away too much from the federal gov't or gets rid of it all together which leaves just a bunch of city states bickering over minor commerce issues.
The trick to governance is to find a nice middle ground where certain industries are regulated, or even privatized, while others are left alone. For instance Public Health Care/ Insurance is a great idea because it keeps certain social classes from being excluded from life saving care, while small business benefits from less regulation in order to keep the barriers to entry lower and also lower the failure rate. I hope this helps clear it up, if it doesn't and you still disagree then fine, least we still have guns!
[QUOTE]Dear Friend:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with my office to express your views on the important issues related to gun violence and school safety measures.
As a former law enforcement official, I certainly understand the importance of keeping violent criminals off of Pennsylvania’s streets while upholding our unwavering commitment to protect law abiding citizen’s Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. While no additional restrictions on the rights of law abiding citizens can stop violent predators intent on committing crime, there are a number of ways my administration is working to protect our schools, keep dangerous criminals off the street and provide care for those suffering from mental illness.
I believe that it is important to ensure the safety of our students against violent criminals. That is why I have proposed to invest $1 billion in our public schools with the privatization of our wine and spirit system over the next 4 years through my Passport to Learning Program. This proposal would provide funding for local school districts to invest in initiatives designed to fit the need of each school, including security programs to protect our students.
As part of our efforts to protect Pennsylvania’s communities, I was pleased to sign HB 898 into law on October 25, 2012. This law imposes strict sentences for those who participate in straw purchasing of firearms for individuals who are legally ineligible to own a gun. This measure is critical to our ongoing efforts to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. It is essential that we equip our law enforcement officials with the tools and resources necessary to enforce our existing laws. For this reason, I have also proposed three additional classes of state police cadets in the next fiscal year. These classes will provide up to 290 new troopers to ensure that our State Police force retains the necessary man power to protect our communities.
It is also important to note the critical role of mental health policy in ensuring the safety of our Commonwealth. In my budget address for Fiscal Year 2013-2014, I have proposed investing $40 million to provide critical services to families and individuals affected by intellectual and physical disabilities, including people with mental illnesses. This additional funding will help provide necessary care to bring services to our most vulnerable citizens and enables them to live independently, safely and productively in our communities.
Thank you again for your correspondence on this important topic. I believe the action and proposals I have laid out will help protect Pennsylvanians. Please do not hesitate to contact my office with any future questions or concerns related to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Sincerely,
TOM CORBETT
Governor
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yolo
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I'm glad the Pennsylvania Governor (a state I have family in, visit a lot, and hunt in yearly) has a relatively sane governor whose first reaction wasn't 'haha, fuck your gun rights' like my senators were. Kind of reassuring, in a strange sort of way.
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