[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36391676]Last year the HTX-22HDX was down to $150 new, back up to its retail $250 now though
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HTX-22HDX-Ultra-Compact-Theater-System/dp/B003BEDQRQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312846410&sr=8-1[/url]
Really good 2.1 for the price, reciever is loaded too.
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
"1's and 0's guys 1's and 0's im ready to be hired by C-Media"[/QUOTE]
Oh sweet. I'll take a look into that. I definitely want to get invested into a 5.1 setup eventually though, but that will work great in my dorm room. It'll also work great for my wallet.
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36391676]
"1's and 0's guys 1's and 0's im ready to be hired by C-Media"[/QUOTE]
oh i'm sorry i thought this was the debate board, not the "defend your useless purchase" board.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36391950]oh i'm sorry i thought this was the debate board, not the "defend your useless purchase" board.[/QUOTE]
you're hardly debating yourself, all you've said is that raw data can be viewed in binary format therefor all digital audio processing technology is the same :downs:
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36392068]you're hardly debating yourself, all you've said is that raw data can be viewed in binary format therefor all digital audio processing technology is the same :downs:[/QUOTE]
ugh you literally have no idea what you're talking about
yes, all digital audio processing is [b]exactly the same[/b]. there is [b]literally no difference[/b] between how any given soundcard processes digital data.
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36392068]you're hardly debating yourself, all you've said is that raw data can be viewed in binary format therefor all digital audio processing technology is the same :downs:[/QUOTE]
hey uh i didn't mention ALL digital audio processing technology, i'm talking about desktop Windows audio-cards not made for recording.
raw digital data is binary.
you still haven't made one compelling point on how
Hard-drive -> on-board processing chip -> DAC
is somehow different from
hard-drive -> dedicated processing chip -> DAC
because unless the dedicated processing chip is processing the information using extra filters or programmes there's no possible way it could be different.
and if the dedicated processing chip is applying filters or EQ that's completely subjective and i personally among with probably many other people would prefer to hear the sound unaffected.
in short:
Converting the data from digital to analogue is where onboard codecs fall on their ass
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
Well they also suck at PCM so that's 50% true
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lazor;36392106]ugh you literally have no idea what you're talking about
yes, all digital audio processing is [b]exactly the same[/b]. there is [b]literally no difference[/b] between how any given soundcard processes digital data.[/QUOTE]
why does one sound better than the other? :downs:
what is "fall on their ass", when you're debating something you have to actually be specific!
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36392154]
Well they also suck at PCM so that's 50% true[/QUOTE]
suck at PCM???
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36392154]why does one sound better than the other? :downs:[/QUOTE]
either you used shitty speakers or your mind is deciding for you.
Try hooking up an AC97 board, you should find that it sounds like shit
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;36392209]what is "fall on their ass", when you're debating something you have to actually be specific!
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
suck at PCM???
either you used shitty speakers or your mind is deciding for you.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever even owned a sound card?
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36392236]Try hooking up an AC97 board, you should find that it sounds like shit[/QUOTE]
why would it sound like shit?
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36392236]Have you ever even owned a sound card?[/QUOTE]
i own professional sound equipment for recording that far exceeds the specifications of desktop dedicated soundcards.
but that's because there are issues of jitter and noise to worry about when recording and dealing with multiple digital audio sources, none of which exist in desktop audio playing because you're only dealing with sound processing in one thing.
besides that there was the occasional Creative sound card for when my motherboard lacked on-board audio
[QUOTE=thisispain;36392297]why would it sound like shit?
i own professional sound equipment for recording that far exceeds the specifications of desktop dedicated soundcards.
but that's because there are issues of jitter and noise to worry about when recording and dealing with multiple digital audio sources, none of which exist in desktop audio playing because you're only dealing with sound processing in one thing.
besides that there was the occasional Creative sound card for when my motherboard lacked on-board audio[/QUOTE]
Onboard lacks proper EMI shielding aswell as bad SNR + lower quality capacitors
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
P8P67 deluxe for example has great onboard but it does not equal dedicated SPU's in sound quality
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36392375]Onboard lacks proper EMI shielding aswell as bad SNR + lower quality capacitors[/QUOTE]
okay but how do those translate to better sound quality? they might translate to less background noise, but that means that people who don't suffer from or mind background noise won't experience improved quality.
and lower quality capacitors? that doesn't change anything sound-wise.
Also low impedance outputs aren't my bag baby
now you've completely lost me, impedance matters in sound quality how?
he read it on the hydrogen audio forums hehe
Dedicated cards can sound different due to different features, and can eliminate interference, but there's no reason to get one unless you want enhancements.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;36394057]Dedicated cards can sound different due to different features, and can eliminate interference, but there's no reason to get one unless you want enhancements.[/QUOTE]
Or have interference on the board.
Of course, like you say yourself, egg lady, a dedicated sound card can reduce background noise in the audio. It's true that this isn't, strictly speaking, an increase in the quality of the audio, but it is certainly an increase in listening quality, which a layman would categorize in an increase in quality.
I feel like you're right, but the way you're going about it is odd.
[QUOTE=Lazor;36393571]he read it on the hydrogen audio forums hehe[/QUOTE]
no he didnt hehe
google is not a legit way to educate yourself, nor is it a legit way to conduct detective work.
it's not a debate for me since I've already witnessed first hand the sound quality improvements over Realtek etc.
[QUOTE=Pelvic Thrust;36400828]no he didnt hehe
google is not a legit way to educate yourself, nor is it a legit way to conduct detective work.
it's not a debate for me since I've already witnessed first hand the sound quality improvements over Realtek etc.[/QUOTE]
Google is a perfectly legitimate way to educate yourself, as long as you use a variety of sources to confirm or disprove what others are saying. Believing otherwise is utter stupidity.
You seem to be ignoring one key part of mine and Thisispains posts. We are saying that the audio should be the same no matter what you use, as it technically should, the 1's and 0's are only meant to interpret in one way (based on codec used), and will produce the same analogue waveform no matter what. But the quality of the DAC in a SPU will affect how the waveform comes out (frequency limits, amplitude limits), and any other "enhancements" on the SPU being used will also affect the output. Not necessarily for the better.
But we are both 100% correct when we say the audio should always be the same thing no matter what interprets it as it can only be interpreted in the same way it was encoded to make sense.
With the old Realtek integrated in my Sabertooth X58 the sound was good, but on this dedicated Asus Xonar DX I can hear even the instruments clearly and separate the various ones.
My integrated sound chip died, surprisingly, so i was forced to get a dedicated sound card. Even this crappy rocketfish card sounds soooo much better than the integrated one did.
[editline]21st June 2012[/editline]
so yeah i say it's definitely needed.
I have a high-end Creative SoundBlaster Live! from circa 1999 that I have switched through three computers. Every mobo audio chipset I've listened to was pure shit, with loads of background static and awful distortion. I am married to my sound card and my circa 1998 Altec Lansing speakers that are the best I have ever heard. Realtek? Nah.
[QUOTE=Naaz;36442523]I have a high-end Creative SoundBlaster Live! from circa 1999 that I have switched through three computers. Every mobo audio chipset I've listened to was pure shit, with loads of background static and awful distortion. I am married to my sound card and my circa 1998 Altec Lansing speakers that are the best I have ever heard. Realtek? Nah.[/QUOTE]
And I see you're using Windows XP. I doubt the Live! has Windows 7 drivers.
I didn't really notice noise or anything on my onboard sound, but I bought my dedicated sound card for the amplifier so I could get cleaner audio at high levels, and especially when I use ASIO.
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