[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;22817039]Alcool SHOULD be illegal but it's so implemented in society that it is impossible to make it illegal.
The prohibition was a gigantic fucking failure but a good project nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
No it wasn't, it was a shit idea that was poorly executed. Trying to decide for people what they are allowed/ not allowed to put in their body is a god awful idea.
People want to smoke grass, let em, people wanna get shit faced, let em, people wanna do coke or heroin, you fucking let em.
[QUOTE=imarawrus;22820307]I love how the people on this forum who are against marijuana have this sense of moral superiority. Get off your high horses. You're not better than someone for not smoking, nor is someone inferior because they smoke. This moral high ground is bullshit. It's the reason our prisons are overloaded with nonviolent offenders arrested for simple possession. Let's look at the situation logistically. If marijuana were legalised there would be an estimated $1 billion reduction in taxes paid to maintain, house, and feed offenders arrested for marijuana related offenses.
[i]"American taxpayers are now spending more than a billion dollars per year to incarcerate its citizens for pot. That's according to statistics recently released by the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics.
According to the new BJS report, "Drug Use and Dependence, State and Federal Prisoners, 2004," 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses. Combining these percentages with separate U.S. Department of Justice statistics on the total number of state and federal drug prisoners suggests that there are now about 33,655 state inmates and 10,785 federal inmates behind bars for marijuana offenses. The report failed to include estimates on the percentage of inmates incarcerated in county and/or local jails for pot-related offenses.
Multiplying these totals by U.S. DOJ prison expenditure data reveals that taxpayers are spending more than $1 billion annually to imprison pot offenders."[/i]
And that's from 2004. One can assume that the statistics have since increased.
This isn't even to mention the huge blow it would deal to the drug cartels currently running amok in Mexico.[/QUOTE]
A majority of those cartels aren't dealing in simple pot. More like cocaine and heroin, amidst other hard drugs.
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[QUOTE=lockdown6;22820339]great, the "MARIJUANA IS GREAT ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO WILL KILL YOU" thread of the month
please stop
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when they start stealing shit to get their drugs is when the problems start
when they get drunk and break someone's nose or something is when the problems start[/QUOTE]
This guy. He knows what's up.
derp derp smok w33d erry day ima so kool
[QUOTE=theguydude;22817687]It was for awhile, but hell, that did not work out.[/QUOTE]
They started the war on drugs because they didn't want to look stupid after they lost the battle against alcohol.
while i've never smoked marijuana, multiple people in my family do regularly and a large portion of my friends do/have.
from what i've seen, i can't honestly say that i disagree with anything in the op and if people want to do drugs then they can
[QUOTE=JohnnyNapalm007;22820249]OP: "I'm a liberal douchebag and I smoke weed errday"
Opposition: What?
OP + Liberal Minions: "FFFUUU I LOVE WEED"
Sorry, it's almost 5 AM and I haven't slept in a while. I'm still not entirely sure if what I wrote makes any sense, but it's super hilarious to my sleep-deprived brain.
But, really, stop trying to force this stupidity onto everyone. If you do it, great for you. But when you try and spread around how good you think it is, it becomes annoying. Y'all are like the Jehovah's Witnesses of potheads.
Keep it to yourselves and let the world keep on turning.
Boy, am I sleepy.[/QUOTE]
You: I don't like something so i'm going to make an incoherent and generally stupid reply.
First off, i am not 'liberal'. We don't have those two socially dividing factors in Australia.
Even then, i believe you can be socially conservative yet still smoke weed.
Second of all, i stated in the OP i am not a stoner, and i don't 'smoke weed erry day'.
Third, it's not 'forcing stupidity'. Just because you don't like something it doesn't make it stupid. Infact, if anything i'm only trying to educate.
Fourth: Your ignorance astounds me. This isn't about weather it's good or not, this isn't about telling other people to smoke it. I am not a drug pusher. This is about misconception and social stigma based on it.
You're like the pope of bad reading and ignorance. Infact, if i didn't know better i would say you are the pope.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;22820339]great, the "MARIJUANA IS GREAT ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO WILL KILL YOU" thread of the month
please stop
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when they start stealing shit to get their drugs is when the problems start
when they get drunk and break someone's nose or something is when the problems start
I'm all for letting people do whatever they want with their bodies, but when it affects others is where the problem lies[/QUOTE]
Then why not punish them when they do that? We don't arrest drinkers because they might drink and drive, you arrest them when they drink and drive. Why arrest a drug user for a crime he MIGHT commit?
[QUOTE=JohnnyNapalm007;22820351]A majority of those cartels aren't dealing in simple pot. More like cocaine and heroin, amidst other hard drugs.
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Way to hone in on the last sentence of all that information I provided. Care to perhaps provide a counterargument to what I have stated? Besides the cartels are mainly dealing in methamphetamine. Heroin comes from China and Afghanistan whereas the majority of cocaine distributed throughout the U.S. comes from Latin America. But legalising Marijuana would still be a major setback for the cartels, regardless of what their primary "cash crop" is.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;22820339]great, the "MARIJUANA IS GREAT ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO WILL KILL YOU" thread of the month
please stop
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when they start stealing shit to get their drugs is when the problems start
when they get drunk and break someone's nose or something is when the problems start
I'm all for letting people do whatever they want with their bodies, but when it affects others is where the problem lies[/QUOTE]
People who steal are often violent and have no other option than hurting others. And weed isn't really addicting like tobacco. So it would be a huge decrease in crimes if weed was made legal.
[QUOTE=JohnnyNapalm007;22820351]A majority of those cartels aren't dealing in simple pot. More like cocaine and heroin, amidst other hard drugs.
.[/QUOTE]
Wrong, marijuana is a huge portion of the cartel's business (Referring to mainly the Mexican cartels)
[QUOTE=JohnnyNapalm007;22820298]Clearly, most people aren't having many problems getting weed.[/QUOTE]
You don't get the point.
[QUOTE=Godrek;22820404]Wrong, marijuana is a huge portion of the cartel's business (Referring to mainly the Mexican cartels)[/QUOTE]
Let me reiterate. What he stated has some validity, but majority of the cartels' business comes though the sale of methamphetamine. While marijuana may still be a viable source of income for them, it is hardly as lucrative as the meth business.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22820388]You: I don't like something so i'm going to make an incoherent and generally stupid reply.
First off, i am not 'liberal'. We don't have those two socially dividing factors in Australia.
Even then, i believe you can be socially conservative yet still smoke weed.
Second of all, i stated in the OP i am not a stoner, and i don't 'smoke weed erry day'.
Third, it's not 'forcing stupidity'. Just because you don't like something it doesn't make it stupid. Infact, if anything i'm only trying to educate.
Fourth: Your ignorance astounds me. This isn't about weather it's good or not, this isn't about telling other people to smoke it. I am not a drug pusher. This is about misconception and social stigma based on it.
You're like the pope of bad reading and ignorance. Infact, if i didn't know better i would say you are the pope.[/QUOTE]
I'm just glad I got a reaction from that. Boy, you sure are touchy.
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No, in reality, I couldn't care less about any of this. Y'all have your own opinions, I have mine. I let pot-smokers do their thing and let whatever happens happen. And I do whatever I do. I don't hate on people who choose to do drugs for the same reason I don't bash gays or whatever else. Opinions.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyNapalm007;22820449]I'm just glad I got a reaction from that. Boy, you sure are touchy.
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No, in reality, I couldn't care less about any of this. Y'all have your own opinions, I have mine. I let pot-smokers do their thing and let whatever happens happen. And I do whatever I do. I don't hate on people who choose to do drugs for the same reason I don't bash gays or whatever else. Opinions.[/QUOTE]
Because being gay is totally like taking drugs right
i think you're closet bi/gay and wont even admit it to yourself
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22820495]Because being gay is totally like taking drugs right
i think you're closet bi/gay[/QUOTE]
It is in a bigger sense, it's just how someone chooses to live. Some people choose to be muslim, some people choose to heroin. You just gotta accept that some people in the world actually have different opinions to you
[QUOTE=Gareth;22820514]It is in a bigger sense, it's just how someone chooses to live. Some people choose to be muslim, some people choose to heroin. You just gotta accept that some people in the world actually have different opinions to you[/QUOTE]
Fact: Being gay/bi isn't a choice.
There's no opinion there.
Where people have poorly educated opinions, i see an opportunity for education.
[QUOTE=imarawrus;22820444]Let me reiterate. What he stated has some validity, but majority of the cartels' business comes though the sale of methamphetamine. While marijuana may still be a viable source of income for them, it is hardly as lucrative as the meth business.[/QUOTE]
It would still be a major blow to them to legalize the marijuana though, would it not?
[QUOTE=Godrek;22820565]It would still be a major blow to them to legalize the marijuana though, would it not?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I should state my opinion more clearly. I agree that it would deal a major blow to the cartels.
You forgot to mentioned THC has proven cancer shrinking effects
[QUOTE=imarawrus;22820444]Let me reiterate. What he stated has some validity, but majority of the cartels' business comes though the sale of methamphetamine. While marijuana may still be a viable source of income for them, it is hardly as lucrative as the meth business.[/QUOTE]
Care to provide any links? I'm trying to find some info on the % of profits per drug for the Mexican cartels. I found something that says 60% of their profits is from weed, but i'm not taking it as fact.
It isn't even worth the trouble to start a thread like this in GD since there's just too many people who hate weed despite never having actually tried it.
[QUOTE=GunsNRoses;22820767]Care to provide any links? I'm trying to find some info on the % of profits per drug for the Mexican cartels. I found something that says 60% of their profits is from weed, but i'm not taking it as fact.[/QUOTE]
Well it's hard to provide statistics for the black market. The only real statistics I could provide would be from what's seized. And that would only be a fraction of the entire percentage. Give me some time and I'll try and find legitimate sources.
[QUOTE=imarawrus;22820810]Well it's hard to provide statistics for the black market. The only real statistics I could provide would be from what's seized. And that would only be a fraction of the entire percentage. Give me some time and I'll try and find legitimate sources.[/QUOTE]
Aparently the 60% is what the 'White House Office of National Drug Control Policy' said, I'm trying to find it on their site.
Any argument against Marijuana is automatically won, if the person drinks alcohol.
Hahaha I love all the angst about weed
I enjoy it, it's a good thing in moderation.
No drug is good for you, but in the scheme of things Mary Jane ain't too bad.
So everyone just relax, if we want to smoke, we will. That doesn't make us failures or lesser people than you.
I sort of dont want weed to be legal, because then people I know would be baked 24/7 and it would be hard to get shit done
And it kind of makes them forget to maintain personal hygiene
[QUOTE=kizza55;22820898]Any argument against Marijuana is automatically won, if the person drinks alcohol.[/QUOTE]
Or if they eat fast food.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;22820931]I sort of dont want weed to be legal, because then people I know would be baked 24/7 and it would be hard to get shit done
And it kind of makes them forget to maintain personal hygiene[/QUOTE]
No, that's kind of like how prohibition thinkers thought that when alcohol was once legal again that every drinker would still be the smashed idiot they are.
MOST PEOPLE would use it in moderation like alcohol or if not probably not on a daily basis.
You know why I don't like stoners?
Because of shit like this thread. Stoners feel they have to justify their habit at any given opportunity. They force it on everyone. I don't mind weed as a drug. I'm friends with a bunch of stoners, but only because they don't pull shit like this. When I'm with them and they're toking up, they don't start preaching to me about it. It's something they do in private that they enjoy and they're not gonna force it on anyone.
Seriously, you're as bad as fucking furries. Just like they need to keep their fetish in the bedroom, you need to keep your 'facts' and baseless opinions to yourself.
[QUOTE=Predat0r;22821016]No, that's kind of like how prohibition thinkers thought that when alcohol was once legal again that every drinker would still be the smashed idiot they are.
MOST PEOPLE would use it in moderation like alcohol or if not probably not on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]
I think that if weed was legalized, there'd most likely be a rush in which everyone tries it out, and then after a month or two people would decide whether they liked it or not and get on with their lives
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