[QUOTE=lockdown6;22820339]when they start stealing shit to get their drugs is when the problems start
when they get drunk and break someone's nose or something is when the problems start
I'm all for letting people do whatever they want with their bodies, but when it affects others is where the problem lies[/QUOTE]
Those are problems, but blaming the substance for the problem is an ignorant thing to do. How about instead of blaming someone/something else, you take personal responsibility? That's one of the biggest problem with society in general today in my opinion, responsibility. If someone gets caught stealing "THE DOPE MADE ME DO IT" if someone gets caught drowning their babies in the bathtub "GOD MADE ME DO IT" if someone kills a family of four while drunk driving "THE BOOZE MADE ME DO IT". People need to start owning up for their own actions. Accountability is everything. Take responsibility. It's not god's/drugs'/whatever's fault, it's [I]yours.[/I]
[editline]12:29PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=dannass;22820365]They started the war on drugs because they didn't want to look stupid after they lost the battle against alcohol.[/QUOTE]
I would say it's another ploy like homosexual rights. It's an issue that anyone with half a brain could see the pros and cons to, but it's a veil. It's a device to keep you distracted while other, more important things are being changed.
[QUOTE=Number-41;22824775]So you want 13 year olds doing heroin
You really think this world is that smart that they can handle hard drugs? Look at what alcohol does, I don't wanna know what other drugs would do when legalized.[/QUOTE]
With obvious age restrictions. Sheesh.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;22820931]I sort of dont want weed to be legal, because then people I know would be baked 24/7 and it would be hard to get shit done
And it kind of makes them forget to maintain personal hygiene[/QUOTE]
...You best be trollin.
[editline]12:35PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=roflcakes;22821037]You know why I don't like stoners?
Because of shit like this thread. Stoners feel they have to justify their habit at any given opportunity. They force it on everyone. I don't mind weed as a drug. I'm friends with a bunch of stoners, but only because they don't pull shit like this. When I'm with them and they're toking up, they don't start preaching to me about it. It's something they do in private that they enjoy and they're not gonna force it on anyone.
Seriously, you're as bad as fucking furries. Just like they need to keep their fetish in the bedroom, you need to keep your 'facts' and baseless opinions to yourself.[/QUOTE]
You're such an ignorant whiner. Noone's forcing anything on you. Did the mean stoners and furries force your finger to click on this thread?
This is a general forum where general information is shared. If you don't want to hear about pot, hey, here's an idea: don't click on the marijuana thread, you babbling dolt.
[editline]12:43PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;22821259]Also,
You get high for nothing more then an hour or two. Great use of $20.. Then what? The next day you want more? So you fork out another $20 to get high again, and this continues till you decide to stop.
So I dare to ask this... What is the point? Getting high? Great waste of money which coulda been used for something which could of been used more then once.[/QUOTE]
First off, you can use $20 worth of weed more than once, but that's beside the point.
Next I'd like to address the 'what's the point?' argument against weed. Asking 'what's the point?' is really also beside the point. The reason why anyone uses weed really isn't any of your business. That's like asking the reason [I]why[/I] you have sex or [I]why[/I] you like to eat a certain type of food. It's none of my business why you like to do what you like, and I'm not going to make you explain yourself. You enjoy it and that's all that matters.
Lastly, people use marijuana for a number of different reasons. It helps some people sleep. It helps some people cope with depression (with medically backed studies of its effectiveness). Some people use it to get high. Some use it for spiritual purposes. Think of it this way, when you pay $50 for a video game, you're paying for entertainment. This entertainment rushes your brain in the form of serotonin and other chemicals. In other words, drugs. Anything you pay for in order to enjoy, any time you're in love, any time you're having sex, you can thank drugs for your lovely feelings.
[editline]01:02PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;22823666]Yes but it bothers me that you wouldn't think to say "oh gee, maybe the reason people don't like drugs is because of their own reasons" instead, you have to make the same fucking rehashed thread that has been made thousandfold in the past to reignite volatile topics which were untouched because they were stupid and trivial. If you like weed, fantastic! if you don't like weed, why should you have to listen to a bunch of teenagers on a forum go "hurf durf I smoke weed blah blah blah" every fucking other week? For bringing this all up, it puts you in the bad stoner camp, the one where every user must have people know he does it. the other camp, the one with the chill guys who light one up with their friends every so often and don't wank on about it all the time, that's the camp you want to be in.
and lo and behold, people have started the exact same argument that gets made each time, fantastic.[/quote]
I must reiterate. Let's set up a scenario. Put on your thinking cap, boys and girls! You're in General Discussion, you [I]don't[/I] want to hear about pot. As you're scrolling through, checking new posts, you spy a new thread entitled "Marijuana And 'Stoners' - Common Misconceptions". Remember, you [I]don't[/I] want to hear about pot.
You either:
A) Click on the thread and make an angry reply without even reading the OP.
B) Continue on and mind your own business like you're preaching for other people to do.
Think real hard. :downs:
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;22823666]I'm so happy you looked up the meaning of forum, but what I meant was, you discuss politics when there is a politics related situation going on, you don't just randomly go "I AM LIBERTARIAN" because it's considered callous to discuss such things out of context, the same goes for drugs, if you try and start a marijuana discussion completely out of context, you look like a dick.[/QUOTE]
No one tried to start a discussion out of context. This is the general forum where general subjects will be discussed. If this upsets you, I recommend vacating the forums quickly.
[editline]01:08PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;22823889]wait was that aimed at me? I'm not sure if it was. But heres my two cents on the matter.
who cares?
you smoke it anyway, nothing gets in the way of this. It's like underage sex, it's illegal, but all the year 10's are fucking each other. If your issue is "there's no reason for it to be illegal" the fact is, if you legalised weed, you'd have to legalise coke, and heroin and LSD and Crack and Meth and Mushrooms and amphetamines and ketamine and every other drug I cannot think of, otherwise you are being a hypocrite. It's a case of all or nothing, and there is no government in the world that is classically liberal enough to swing for all.
regardless that wasn't even my argument, my argument was we don't need as many of these threads as we get, I'm only an 08'er, but I've seen far too many in my time[/QUOTE]
Something near 50% of Federal inmates are there on marijuana-related charges. Do not try to tell me that the law doesn't get in the way of people using marijuana.
And your 'if we legalized weed, we'd have to legalize x, y, & z' argument falls apart when you look at like... real life. Alcohol, Tobacco, LSA, Dextromethorphan, 2C-I, Nitrous Oxide, Salvia Divinorum, a whole slew of synthetic THC molecules, and every other legal drug I cannot think of are already legal, so that means coke, heroin, meth, and ket are legal too, right? Right?
[editline]01:11PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;22824082]this post sums up what I'm sayin OP, we know, we just don't give a fuck anymore[/QUOTE]
I've never understood this rush to not care. So you're typing out paragraphs of emotional whine to prove to all of us that you just don't care so hard. You're apathetic to the max, and you're proving it by telling us over and over.
[editline]01:22PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Number-41;22824775]So you want 13 year olds doing heroin[/QUOTE]
You're so fucking ignorant. [I]That is the point that you can't get through your thick skull.[/I] We [B]DO NOT[/B] want 13-year-olds doing heroin. Right now in the US, the only people in the country that have heroin are hospitals and criminals. That means for the average person, you're going to have to deal with a criminal to get heroin. The criminal doesn't care how old the buyer is, they only care that the buyer has money.
Right now, marijuana is readily available to me, and I could get it any time I wanted. Alcohol, on the other hand is extremely difficult for me to get, and it would probably take me the better part of the day to find some way to get it. What's the difference between these two? Alcohol is legal. If heroin were legal, and the age to buy were 21, 13-year-olds would have a much harder time getting their hands on the stuff. I do know a 14-year-old personally that does heroin, and if it were legal, that probably wouldn't have happened.
Jesus why do so many of you people have to be so ignorant? lots of you are making idiotic statements like "DURRR PEOPLE WHO USE DRUGS CAN'T BE EDUCATED HEHEHZE" when I graduated HS with a 4.4 gpa and am going to attend UCLA to get a MFA in screenwriting and I'm a casual pot user.
go ahead, all of you straight edge kids can rate me dumb because clearly anyone who tries marijuana and likes it is an idiot, you can only be intelligent if you have never smoked weed. I mean it makes sense, smoking weed isn't normal, right? I mean no famous people that smoked weed have done more with their lives than most (if not all) of you ever will, right?
pathetic. and here I thought the underage population of facepunch would be all pro-marijuana, I guess it's different when the thirteen year olds making the arguments are nerds
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22816470]
As a smoker myself[/QUOTE]
Stopped reading there. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Munchiselleh;22828834]Jesus why do so many of you people have to be so ignorant? lots of you are making idiotic statements like "DURRR PEOPLE WHO USE DRUGS CAN'T BE EDUCATED HEHEHZE" when I graduated HS with a 4.4 gpa and am going to attend UCLA to get a MFA in screenwriting and I'm a casual pot user.
go ahead, all of you straight edge kids can rate me dumb because clearly anyone who tries marijuana and likes it is an idiot, you can only be intelligent if you have never smoked weed. I mean it makes sense, smoking weed isn't normal, right? I mean no famous people that smoked weed have done more with their lives than most (if not all) of you ever will, right?
pathetic. and here I thought the underage population of facepunch would be all pro-marijuana, I guess it's different when the thirteen year olds making the arguments are nerds[/QUOTE]
Stop generalizing so much. Even when I was 13 I supported legalization, and now that I'm older I still support legalization despite the fact that I haven't tried pot.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;22821259]Lach:
That's the point. Stoners [I]feel[/I] like they must justify themselves. That is the same thing as furries... If I were to be a stereotypical furry, I want to justify myself as not being an animal fucker! So clearly I have to rave too everyone about not doing bestiality so I don't look like a criminal.
But that is the thing. I don't. Why? I keep my shit to myself, and I don't start shit unless approached first.
Also,
You get high for nothing more then an hour or two. Great use of $20.. Then what? The next day you want more? So you fork out another $20 to get high again, and this continues till you decide to stop.
So I dare to ask this... What is the point? Getting high? Great waste of money which coulda been used for something which could of been used more then once.[/QUOTE]
I want to see someone smoke an eighth in two hours. The most that I have ever seen anyone smoke at once is a quarter in one night. Plus, what you don't realize is that we toke just as frequently as these "good citizens" do. Every weekend I go out for the night, just like all of the people who drink do.
[editline]03:55PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bllasae;22829091]Stopped reading there. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
God forbid you actually listen to people who toke on an argument regarding toking. You should get out sir, you have no grounds for a valid argument if you have never toked.
[QUOTE=Ca5bah;22830941]
God forbid you actually listen to people who toke on an argument regarding toking. You should get out sir, you have no grounds for a valid argument if you have never toked.[/QUOTE]
I don't want to argue. Just saying I stopped reading there.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22816770]Pretty sure that was on LSD
[editline]10:12PM[/editline]
@thefly
[editline]10:13PM[/editline]
wait you said final summation?
to the GRADUAL REPORT[/QUOTE]
It was PCP.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;22825040]Oh for chrissakes, don't insult my lack of paragraphing if you are going to misspell words like positives buddy, I never said YOU bragged about smoking weed, i said no one gives a shit about weed one way or the other until attention seeking fuckwits start making a big deal about it. My argument is completely coherent, it's "people need to stop making these threads, we really don't need another one" I have never altered my argument, so unless you have a misunderstanding of the term incoherent, you are wrong [/quote]
Spelling mistakes are minor compared to your level of grammar, i can barely read half of what you say because it's so poorly written and explained.
Your 'arguments' are poorly constructed and even worse written down. they aren't even arguments, they're just complaints that you're re-writing down in a different way every post, ignoring any counter arguments.
[quote=strayebyrd]as for the most people haven't seen what you've posted in the past, there have been threads with literally the exact same name as this more times than I can count. the only reason you haven't seen them is because you registered quite recently. people do understand the facts they are fed, they just like any excuse to start an argument over things like this. [/quote]
No there haven't. Unless you have a misunderstanding of the term literally.
There have been threads about legalising weed, but this one isn't one about that. This one is about the pros and cons of the herb itself, and dispelling the untrue things i've seen posted numerous times.
You may not have seen them because you've registered quite recently, but i've been on facepunch since 06 and i've seen it alot. the V2 is quite self explanatory that this is not my first account. (read: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/member.php?u=77083[/url])
[quote=strayebyrd]
You may not have copied and pasted, but you still use the identikit list of pros that everyone else has, meaning you're literally adding nothing to this forum that hasn't already been added.
[/quote]
I think you'll find that the OP lists many more things than the pros of weed. it lists cons too, and discusses the misconceptions many people have.
[quote=strayebyrd]
I'm British, Libertarian means the limiting of the government and more personal freedom, ala what people put in their own bodies. It is the persons sole choice to do the drug, why should they be persecuted? Heroin users are treated with much greater stigma than weed users, yet Heroin is genuinely addictive, and they have very little way of controlling said addiction. If heroin was legal, it would be a lot easier to help those who had a problem, same with all drugs. I'm in no way anti weed, I'm actually pro drugs in general, I feel that no man should be told what he can and cannot put in his own body. a man should be free to smoke asbestos lined crack if he so chooses, as long as he is harming noone else[/QUOTE]
I don't see how it would be easier to help people with a problem if it was legal. in most countries, those who have a problem and seek help aren't charged with anything, because it's seen as a medical issue more-so.
The thing is, nobody is harming you. You chose to read this thread. Don't complain about being forced to read it or anything, because unless someone put a gun to your head and demanded you read it, it was your choice.
[QUOTE=Munchiselleh;22828834]Jesus why do so many of you people have to be so ignorant? lots of you are making idiotic statements like "DURRR PEOPLE WHO USE DRUGS CAN'T BE EDUCATED HEHEHZE" when I graduated HS with a 4.4 gpa and am going to attend UCLA to get a MFA in screenwriting and I'm a casual pot user.
go ahead, all of you straight edge kids can rate me dumb because clearly anyone who tries marijuana and likes it is an idiot, you can only be intelligent if you have never smoked weed. I mean it makes sense, smoking weed isn't normal, right? I mean no famous people that smoked weed have done more with their lives than most (if not all) of you ever will, right?
pathetic. and here I thought the underage population of facepunch would be all pro-marijuana, I guess it's different when the thirteen year olds making the arguments are nerds[/QUOTE]
ur a retrd drug usr rofl
[editline]03:59PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;22831298]It was PCP.[/QUOTE]
I don't know the difference to be honest
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22835195]
I don't know the difference to be honest[/QUOTE]
... :geno: There's a [I]huge[/I] difference.
WEED ISN'T DANGEROUS AT ALL, IT IS IN FACT GOOD FOR YOU! But you complete ignorant retards are just brain washed. Yes it has its cons but you can't even compare them to alcohol or nicotine.
[QUOTE=wanksta11;22835354]WEED ISN'T DANGEROUS AT ALL, IT IS IN FACT GOOD FOR YOU! But you complete ignorant retards are just brain washed. Yes it has its cons but you can't even compare them to alcohol or nicotine.[/QUOTE]
And this is a prime example of people who make the other pro-weed people look stupid. Note the use of all caps for the beginning, the name calling in the middle followed up by an errant and incited claim.
Ok it should be legalized. Great.
[QUOTE=Pantz76;22836348]Ok it should be legalized. Great.[/QUOTE]
for the last time this is not a thread about legalization.
What I don't understand is, why NOT have this thread in GD? (Directed at all those who want to move this thread)
[QUOTE=Mattofwiles;22816561]MarIjanaufra maAKES YEE tok LIEK dis!
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Gurant))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
Being a retard makes you post like that.
Isn't a stoner someone who does [I]acid[/I] and not weed?
OP has logic.
I approve.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22816470]
[b]Marijuana does not cause cancer lung cancer. It doesn't have the cell mutating compounds that tobacco does. [/b]
[/QUOTE]
So inhaling smoke is a good thing? You can say it any way you want but breathing in smoke is not ever going to be good for you, ever.
Saying shit like that makes you seem like you don't know what you're talking about.
He said that it doesn't cause lung cancer. Which is true.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22836946]for the last time this is not a thread about legalization.[/QUOTE]
Ok then, you've informed us. Great.
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;22840685]Isn't a stoner someone who does [I]acid[/I] and not weed?[/QUOTE]
No.
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stoner[/url]
Do we have to have one of these threads every fucking week
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[editline]03:59PM[/editline]
I would also like to say I've been smoking marijuana for a good four or five years every single day, and I have absolutely zero detrimental health conditions. My parents have been smoking for more than twenty years every single day, and they too are very healthy adults. People against marijuana always have a tendency to make smoking weed sound like it'll kill you quick and painfully, which is not the case. I know it's probably already been said in this thread, but there are zero deaths that have been directly caused by marijuana.
[QUOTE=trent_roolz;22840835]So inhaling smoke is a good thing? You can say it any way you want but breathing in smoke is not ever going to be good for you, ever.
Saying shit like that makes you seem like you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
your post is strawman. you don't know what you're talking about
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22816470][Img]http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/5385/readbeforerate.png[/img]
now that you've read the image, before i actually properly start. I'd like to say that this belongs in General Discussion not Drug Discussion, because I'm targeting the users here who are misinformed.
As a smoker myself, i try to not be biased when it comes to this, and be able to recognize the wrongs of both sides of the argument. I don't consider myself a stoner, however i do smoke 1-2 times or more a month.
[b]1: Marijuana is good for you.[/b]
This is, sort of true, but only under certain circumstances.
Marijuana can be a benefit to your physical health if you have an illness that it can aid, such as breast cancer, brain cancer, Alzheimer's, and, believe it or not, lung cancer.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis[/url]
Mentally, Marajuana can be a pro and a con to anyones mental health.
In the long term, it can make some people happier and more content with their lives, where as for others it can do the opposite. However, to achieve these results it requires long term (as in, over the course of 1-5 or more years) and daily use.
Needless to say, there is a very very very small portion of the population who have mental illnesses that can be 'activated' by marijuana. These people should never smoke it.
In the short term, it can make you more relaxed (in the a similar way having a beer or two on Friday after work will).
[b]2: Marijuana smoke is just as bad for you as tobacco smoke.[/b]
This is a complete misunderstanding. I've heard alot of people in general discussion say this.
The two plants are comprised of different chemicals, and as such will yield different results and produce different effects on your mental and physical being.
Marijuana does not cause cancer lung cancer. It doesn't have the cell mutating compounds that tobacco does.
[b]3: Weed makes people lazy. [/b]
This again, is circumstantial. There are good and bad people in any group. It's just that people tend to focus on the negatives more, and people like to stereotype others so they can judge easier.
My own father smoked weed twice a week for a decade in his 20's. While he did that, he became one of the most successful and most well known real-estate agents/developers in the city.
[b]4: Addictive-ness. [/b]
Marijuana produces no known or proven chemical dependency what so ever.
However, it is very habitual, and daily/near daily smokers will often feel like smoking it upon quitting in the same way many gamers feel like a game of TF2, or many people feel like watching TV at the end of the day. This goes in time as the habit fades.
[b][highlight]Final summation:[/b][/highlight]
Marijuana vs alcohol
Does no physical damage to your body - damages your liver, mouth and other things, can be a factor in some cancers.
Long term use can be a pro or con to your mental health - long term use will turn your brain to mush.
Small-large doses will relax you. Extremely large doses on low tolerances will green you out- medium-large doses will make you feel sick, and will give you a hangover.
Habitually additive - Chemically and habitually addictive.
To the average, occasional smoker, there are no positive or negative effects other than being relaxed.
[b]Thanks for reading[/b][/QUOTE]
Agreed
[QUOTE=The_Fly56556;22816816]Hey, on the picture it said marijuana.
Maybe that was just a one time thing, but seriously man, fuck off back to the drugs forum. We don't need this dirt here.[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly, that was PCP, not marijuana.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22816470]This is not some pro-weed 'smoke weed erry day' dumb shit[/QUOTE]
Stopped reading here.
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