[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50249252]Doesn't equal the savings from dying earlier, and it isn't even close, even in a country with full government provision of healthcare like the UK. I would recommend reading up on the subject some more. From an [I]economic[/I] standpoint, you are completely wrong.[/QUOTE]
For that specific individual you may be right. But these individuals are not known for their rational decisions and many of them leave equally fat and insufferable children behind.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50249252]Doesn't equal the savings from dying earlier, and it isn't even close, even in a country with full government provision of healthcare like the UK. I would recommend reading up on the subject some more. From an [I]economic[/I] standpoint, you are completely wrong.[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised how much money they can suck out of healthcare systems.
Diabetes treatments and Osteoarthritis treatment ain't cheap, especially for someone who's mistreating their body pretty much intentionally.
And then there's the fact they require specialized hospital equipment due to their sheer size and weight.
You know it's getting bad when there's been talks in some big cities to have special [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bariatric_ambulance"]"fat ambulances"[/URL] for usage in emergency situations where it's someone who's REALLY big needs emergency medical attention.
That's overall a huge drain of resources that could be used elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50226728]She was escorted out of the room by police but I am having trouble finding a link to the video.
Here it is. It the only one I could find.
[video]https://twitter.com/evytheasshole/status/725702023476314112[/video][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]PIGS![/B][/QUOTE]
The cops or the girl?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50249252]Doesn't equal the savings from dying earlier, and it isn't even close, even in a country with full government provision of healthcare like the UK. I would recommend reading up on the subject some more. From an [I]economic[/I] standpoint, you are completely wrong.[/QUOTE]
Are you factoring in lost productivity?
The doctor has to waste his time with some hopeless fat fuck. His time is wasted.
Because the doctor didn't have enough time some poor sod died. His time is wasted
If the person wasn't fat in the first place and lived a healthy normal life then how much extra hours of productivity could we get out of them?
I'm no economist but seems to me like you gain in the short term when somebody dies early but lose in the long term.
Yes, this is including lost productivity. Pensions cost an enormous amount of money and vastly outweigh other factors when actually calculated.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50261431]Yes, this is including lost productivity. Pensions cost an enormous amount of money and vastly outweigh other factors when actually calculated.[/QUOTE]
I'd genuinely like to see your calculations then, because my experience with healthcare in general makes it up to be fucking expensive, especially for stupid shit caused by personal negligence.
And I'm willing to bet grossly unhealthy people as a whole are gonna be bumming off the benefits system much more due to their sheer inability to work at all or inability work just as much as a average healthy person.
[url]https://cei.org/sites/default/files/Christopher%20Snowdon%20-%20The%20Wages%20of%20Sin%20Taxes.pdf[/url]
A rather long but fascinating examination of the reports that claim smoking/drinking/obesity to be costing us untold amounts. Basically, to justify the taxes, people wave up vast amounts of either entirely non-financial costs or very dubiously calculated costs which are mostly to the individual, without taking into account the savings from the premature death of the individual.
[QUOTE]In 2010, the Policy Exchange, a British think tank, calculated the societal costs of smoking and, in a report unsubtly titled Cough Up, claimed that: “Every cigarette smoked is costing us money... Cigarettes are being under-taxed by £1.29 (US$2.08) per packet which amounts to £2.82 billion (US$4.55 billion) in lost revenue for HM Treasury.”lxxviii The claim that smokers were not paying their way hinged on the premise that the £10 billion (US$16.14 billion) raised in tobacco duty each year was less than the Policy Exchange’s £13.7 billion (US$22.11 billion) “cost of smoking” estimate, but three-quarters of this estimate was already borne by private individuals, including £4 billion (US$6.46 billion) of lost earnings.lxxix
When campaigners began demanding “junk food” taxes and soda taxes in Australia, they turned to a cost-of-vice study which claimed that obesity was costing the country AU$58.2 billion (US$59.6 billion). A quick read of the study would have told them that AU$49.9 billion (US$51 billion) of this was “non-financial” and yet the figure was used as proof that the overweight were a drain on the economy. It took an actuary named Geoff Dunsford to take an interest in the estimates before the distinction between intangible emotional costs and actual financial costs was explained to the Australian people.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The myth that smokers, drinkers and the obese are leeches on the taxpayer’s arteries persists because the government has no incentive to tell the public that these groups are being exploited and the affected industries dare not advertise the savings that come from lives being cut short by excessive use of their products.
On only one occasion has an industry attempted to make the case against sin taxes based on the hard truth that longevity is expensive. In 2001, Philip Morris, the maker of Marlboro cigarettes, funded a study in the Czech Republic that showed that savings in welfare payments, health care and housing for the elderly were greater than the costs of smoking-related diseases, lost tax receipts, and house fires. It was an immediate and unsurprising public relations disaster. The anti-smoking group Action on Smoking and Health described the study as “repellent”,lxxxi a prominent American anti-smoking campaigner called it “egregious”lxxxii and a spokesman for the Czech government told The New York Times: “It is ethically unacceptable to think and write about human life in those categories.”lxxxiii Although Philip Morris stressed that they were not suggesting that smoking was a benefit to society, the backlash was enough to ensure that neither they nor any other company has used cold economic facts to challenge the cost-of-vice orthodoxy since.
It goes without saying that policy should not be based on the savings that come from premature death and disease. Nevertheless, it is the campaigners—not the sinners—who raised the economic argument and they have no cause to be indignant when it is shown to be spurious. They have been highly effective in portraying smokers, drinkers, and the obese as a drain on the economy, and since no one wishes to be thought egregious by pointing out the truth, the savings from vice remain the best kept secret in public health. Meanwhile, the The Wages of Sin Taxes 45 myth of saints subsidizing the health costs of sinners remains firmly entrenched in the minds of the public and continues to be cited as justification for further transfers of wealth.[/QUOTE]
Triggered SJW Sends Hilarious 2,000-Word Complaint to College Authorities After Milo Event
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/student-sends-hilarious-2000-word-complaint-to-college-authorities-after-milo-event/[/url]
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I am starting to think this "power through victim hood" has to go.
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50263596]Triggered SJW Sends Hilarious 2,000-Word Complaint to College Authorities After Milo Event
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/student-sends-hilarious-2000-word-complaint-to-college-authorities-after-milo-event/[/url]
[IMG]http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Trigglypuff+used+flail+it+hurt+itself+in+its+confusion_2dd890_5903282.jpg[/IMG]
I am starting to think this "power through victim hood" has to go.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][/QUOTE]“I will wait until 10 AM on Friday, April 29, and if I do not receive a response by then, I will escalate my demands and will go to the press about this situation.”
Well this might turn out hilarious
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50263596]Triggered SJW Sends Hilarious 2,000-Word Complaint to College Authorities After Milo Event
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/student-sends-hilarious-2000-word-complaint-to-college-authorities-after-milo-event/[/url]
[IMG]http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Trigglypuff+used+flail+it+hurt+itself+in+its+confusion_2dd890_5903282.jpg[/IMG]
I am starting to think this "power through victim hood" has to go.[/QUOTE]
Shouldn't it be acceptance [B]and[/B] a cure?
I mean not wanting a disorder to be cured is pretty fucked up.
[QUOTE=Oizen;50264085]Shouldn't it be acceptance [B]and[/B] a cure?
I mean not wanting a disorder to be cured is pretty fucked up.[/QUOTE]
Woah woah woah, that would be implying that there's a chance she genuinely wants to help people.
[QUOTE]“I will wait until 10 AM on Friday, April 29, and if I do not receive a response by then, I will escalate my demands and will go to the press about this situation.”
Well this might turn out hilarious[/QUOTE]
I cannot read it due how slow my connection is getting.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50248403][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Hs6ZNk7.jpg[/IMG]
I actually agree that 'your health is your business'. However, that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to not be attracted to fat women, or that doctors aren't allowed to tell you to lose weight to stop you dying from a heart attack at thirty-five.[/QUOTE]
As a fat person, being fat is totally a health issue. At least [I]try[/I] and be healthy.
[QUOTE=Oizen;50264085]Shouldn't it be acceptance [B]and[/B] a cure?
I mean not wanting a disorder to be cured is pretty fucked up.[/QUOTE]
that kinda depends on your definition of autism as a disorder
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50263596]Triggered SJW Sends Hilarious 2,000-Word Complaint to College Authorities After Milo Event
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/student-sends-hilarious-2000-word-complaint-to-college-authorities-after-milo-event/[/url]
[IMG]http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Trigglypuff+used+flail+it+hurt+itself+in+its+confusion_2dd890_5903282.jpg[/IMG]
I am starting to think this "power through victim hood" has to go.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit we don't need a cure. I'd fucking love have never had this shit so I can actually feel normal.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;50244227]some poor souls have to watch this lady's presentation
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Hs6ZNk7.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/wgXgRcIl.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I seriously wanna know how much she scored on that presentation, like, what in flying the fuck did she use as sources/references? Did her professor facepalm at the sight of that?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50263369][url]https://cei.org/sites/default/files/Christopher%20Snowdon%20-%20The%20Wages%20of%20Sin%20Taxes.pdf[/url]
A rather long but fascinating examination of the reports that claim smoking/drinking/obesity to be costing us untold amounts. Basically, to justify the taxes, people wave up vast amounts of either entirely non-financial costs or very dubiously calculated costs which are mostly to the individual, without taking into account the savings from the premature death of the individual.[/QUOTE]
Read the whole thing.
Good read would recommend to any other posters here that have an interest in such things. Thanks for taking to the time to post the link.
I'll certainly be looking more skeptically at these kinds of taxes in the future.
[QUOTE=Kinky Frog;50264726]I seriously wanna know how much she scored on that presentation, like, what in flying the fuck did she use as sources/references? Did her professor facepalm at the sight of that?[/QUOTE]
As if you need references these days, it might hurt or offend someone to imply their content is not good enough without fat hating misogynistic references.
what is ". her. " response to all of this. ?
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50267465]what is ". her. " response to all of this. ?[/QUOTE]
She's making a Patreon as we speak, this is the day she's been waiting for. The day she became a real, licensed professional victim.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;50264634]that kinda depends on your definition of autism as a disorder[/QUOTE]
I think it depends more on whether you define "cure" as a bad thing or not.
To me its only positive.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;50228077]Did anyone watch the full speech? The speaker Milo is a huge cunt and Trump supporter.[/QUOTE]
i'd turn gay for Milo anytime
"Fatness has little to nothing to do with health"
Is this even real? There's no way anybody can believe that. That's just 100% denial.
Even diseases that cause increased weight gain are to do with health, for example hypothyroidism. If you suffer from it, you still have to manage your diet to avoid the weight gain rather than say "Oh, I'm gaining weight from my thyroid being fucked, my diet has nothing to do with it!"
I think the worst part is that as soon as you try and argue, she'll bring out any of her "trump cards" which will instantly prove her right and that whoever is arguing against her is a misogynistic fat shaming degenerate.
Fuck this society.
[QUOTE=Drury;50267729]She's making a Patreon as we speak, this is the day she's been waiting for. The day she became a real, licensed professional victim.[/QUOTE]
proof/link,. ?
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50263596]Triggered SJW Sends Hilarious 2,000-Word Complaint to College Authorities After Milo Event
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/student-sends-hilarious-2000-word-complaint-to-college-authorities-after-milo-event/[/url]
[/QUOTE]
Reading that article is a bit of a mess- the "triggered SJW" wasn't the "trigglypuff" in the video, but someone else entirely who was expressing an opinion through a facebook comment, who then had it published in multiple articles having her name smeared. Her facebook post on the event was basically about how "only cis-white men can be racist". However, she now fears that she will be less eligible for a job because of her opinion and name being spread in articles such as this, alongside the original post the email is about a former student who spread a lot of information about her (full name, school, criminal record) online in response.
But isn't that what this counter-movement is supposed to be against? Potentially ruining someone's livelihood because you disagree with an opinion that they have? Weren't the people in the panel trying to encourage free speech?
I think both sides (the woman who wrote the email) and the person who wrote the article can agree that people should have the right to express their opinions, and shouldn't harass people for having differing opinions. However, the writer of the article is exhibiting the same behavior of tearing people down because of their conflicting points of view, while the "Triggered SJW" just wanted the man who effectively doxxed her and the community that supported it to be held responsible for their actions.
[QUOTE=Oizen;50267751]I think it depends more on whether you define "cure" as a bad thing or not.
To me its only positive.[/QUOTE]
in my opinion there are several points on the autistic syndrome spectrum where it isnt an actual disorder. people with asperger's for example are capable of functioning like any other person and even beyond if they learn how to live with it, but this takes a shitload of effort, im speaking from experience here, things that seem like a given require a lot of effort for me, i had to consciously break this mental barrier just to be able to spontanuously approach people, and while ill never be able to do that 100%, its good enough.
autism doesnt necessarily require a cure for that reason. in most cases it just takes a lot of time, patience and understanding
however there's people that are just awkard to be around and seem to be 100% stuck in their own fantasy world, and its because of them (it isnt their fault, it's the internet's) there's such a bad image of people with autism circling the internet, and because of this bad image, people dont want to be interested in what autism really means. and thats where hate originates, and that's what causes autists to commit suicide.
so to say that it needs a cure is factually wrong, i think. the cure is understanding and time.
the whole bullshit that atheist fedora katana weeaboo = aspie doesnt help either
[QUOTE=Recurracy;50271981]in my opinion there are several points on the autistic syndrome spectrum where it isnt an actual disorder. people with asperger's for example are capable of functioning like any other person and even beyond if they learn how to live with it, but this takes a shitload of effort, im speaking from experience here, things that seem like a given require a lot of effort for me, i had to consciously break this mental barrier just to be able to spontanuously approach people, and while ill never be able to do that 100%, its good enough.
autism doesnt necessarily require a cure for that reason. in most cases it just takes a lot of time, patience and understanding
however there's people that are just awkard to be around and seem to be 100% stuck in their own fantasy world, and its because of them (it isnt their fault, it's the internet's) there's such a bad image of people with autism circling the internet, and because of this bad image, people dont want to be interested in what autism really means. and thats where hate originates, and that's what causes autists to commit suicide.
so to say that it needs a cure is factually wrong, i think. the cure is understanding and time.
the whole bullshit that atheist fedora katana weeaboo = aspie doesnt help either[/QUOTE]
autism isn't limited to functional aspergers and weird sonic pony fans who make a scene on the internet. the condition can be so severe it leaves people with the mind of a two year old when they're 20, making them entirely unable to communicate and self-destructively out of control of their own actions.
i know because a family member of mine is afflicted like that and it's been an incredibly difficult 20 years taking care of him.
it would be nice if a cure were found and i could actually have a conversation with him and know what he thinks for the first time in a whole lifetime of knowing him, and maybe not have him try to hit me or himself in the process.
i mean i understand if you consider it a part of who you are and are able to live a fruitful life and don't want to be "cured". but having grown up with a case like him i think it would be wrong [i]not[/i] to put research into finding some way to fix or change the condition for people who either want it or are severely disabled from autism.
I love myself some confidence boost.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;50274053]autism isn't limited to functional aspergers and weird sonic pony fans who make a scene on the internet. the condition can be so severe it leaves people with the mind of a two year old when they're 20, making them entirely unable to communicate and self-destructively out of control of their own actions.
i know because a family member of mine is afflicted like that and it's been an incredibly difficult 20 years taking care of him.
it would be nice if a cure were found and i could actually have a conversation with him and know what he thinks for the first time in a whole lifetime of knowing him, and maybe not have him try to hit me or himself in the process.
i mean i understand if you consider it a part of who you are and are able to live a fruitful life and don't want to be "cured". but having grown up with a case like him i think it would be wrong [i]not[/i] to put research into finding some way to fix or change the condition for people who either want it or are severely disabled from autism.[/QUOTE]
wait yeah i forgot about that, shit, my bad
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50263596]Triggered SJW Sends Hilarious 2,000-Word Complaint to College Authorities After Milo Event
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/student-sends-hilarious-2000-word-complaint-to-college-authorities-after-milo-event/[/url]
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I am starting to think this "power through victim hood" has to go.[/QUOTE]
-snip, I kinda went overboard and gave a bit too much information than I want to give out-
Autism does need a cure, if a person can go through life and end up fine with Autism, then they don't really need it, but if it's severe, it needs a cure.
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