[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;47112260]That isn't what the uncanny valley means btw, this is actually supporting the uncanny valley.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Mori_Uncanny_Valley.svg/450px-Mori_Uncanny_Valley.svg.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Crossing it doesn't mean denying it, what he means is it has passed the valley and is on the upward slope instead, since the movements have become so lifelike that we now start to emphasize with it.
[QUOTE=Eric95;47112313]Crossing it doesn't mean denying it, what he means is it has passed the valley and is on the upward slope instead, since the movements have become so lifelike that we now start to emphasize with it.[/QUOTE]
I know what he's saying, he's just wrong.
If it looked and acted exactly like an actual dog, [i]then[/i] it would've crossed the uncanny valley. But as it stands, its about halfway across that chart, juuust before the valley, which explains why we like it so much.
It looks dog-like, but it's not trying to resemble a dog.
[thumb]http://www.arclight.net/~pdb/nonfiction/uncanny-valley-1.gif[/thumb]
On the chart above, it's right around "android" level.
'uncanny' valley doesn't really fit at all if you're talking about a solid robot though, it's all about how it's trying to look realistically like something, but as it gets closer to realism, the more we can see wrong with it. That's why stuff trying to look human is always so odd, we begin to judge it for all the finite human features we subconsciously pay attention to, and it becomes all sorts of wrong
[t]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/16/article-1162402-03EDA086000005DC-543_634x279.jpg[/t]
when stuff is stylized and you understand it (think pixar movies) it's easy to move away from that judgement, but if it's actively pushing toward realism there's so much that can go wrong
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47110386]Do you know the vehicle "chainlink"? It would more than likely be what a natural creature with wheels would act like.
[video=youtube;0zXpDOmuXXM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXpDOmuXXM[/video]
If you put a wheel on an extremely articulated surface instead of limited travel solid axles or independant axles, then it's much, much more usable.[/QUOTE]
You kind of proved the point of why legs are better than wheels. That dude in the blue tracksuit who is filming in the first couple of minutes is moving around on those rocks with way more agility than the car. Legs are way better than wheels on rough surfaces like that, wheels are just easier to build at the moment.
When I feel crap I always watch this video, it always gets me.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcOi6npIsVc[/media]
Did they actually put fluffy antlers on it? Thats so fucking adorable!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DiMb9km.jpg[/IMG]
SOON
[video=youtube;mXI4WWhPn-U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-U[/video]
The next version looks even more lifelike in its movements. And the sounds of a platoon of bees makes the terrorists run to their non existing mothers
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My original point was that wheels aren't found on biological organisms, and one of those reasons is because it's infeasible to traverse terrain other than a flat surface (which isn't commonly found in nature)
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Nah as cool as it sounds biological wheels would never happen, if organisms needed to cross large plain areas they'd probably look like caterpillars
But seriously if we can make these things as big as a car or as big as a large dump truck, It might not be efficient in the battlefield, but holy hell it would be awesome watching one that is about the size of a freight train start charging at an army of ISIS insurgents with machine guns attached to it.
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[QUOTE=StrykerE;47114338][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DiMb9km.jpg[/IMG]
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For some reason that looks like a Metal Gear prototype.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;47113210]You kind of proved the point of why legs are better than wheels. That dude in the blue tracksuit who is filming in the first couple of minutes is moving around on those rocks with way more agility than the car. Legs are way better than wheels on rough surfaces like that, wheels are just easier to build at the moment.[/QUOTE]
I was never fighting against it. It's just that a wheel can't exist on a creature (as far as we know).
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47114950]I was never fighting against it. It's just that a wheel can't exist on a creature (as far as we know).[/QUOTE]
I was just saying you answered your own question:
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47108297][B]As cool and innovative as these are, are they any more practical than a wheeled or tracked vehicle?[/B] They have a lot of intricate pieces, compared to relatively simple suspensions and axles+bearings. I'd imagine field repairs would be difficult.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StrykerE;47114338][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DiMb9km.jpg[/IMG]
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When AI becomes sentient, these are the things that will be chasing us down our streets. Cute but also terrifying.
[QUOTE=damnatus;47114592]Nah as cool as it sounds biological wheels would never happen, if organisms needed to cross large plain areas they'd probably look like caterpillars[/QUOTE]
Evolution would favour wheels if they were possible because they're more efficient in such scenarios.
But, wheels haven't evolved in creatures because:
-We don't know how/if that'd work
-Most of the Earth isn't suitable for wheels
Among other reasons
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though with that said, there are some cells which have wheel-like mechanisms in them:
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Flagellum_base_diagram_en.svg/250px-Flagellum_base_diagram_en.svg.png[/IMG]
"Flagellar motor"
Which implies that it's possible, but therefore leans towards implying wheels just aren't suitable for many terrains and other impracticalities of wheels
[QUOTE=Adamhully;47115204]When AI becomes sentient, these are the things that will be chasing us down our streets. Cute but also terrifying.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chPanW0QWhA[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3fmFTtP9g[/media]
They already have something for that
imagine taking a guard dog and mentally linking the real dog to one of these things. slap on oculus rift or some other science bullshit on it. now you've got an actual dog operating an animal-like machine.
it'd be a Robodog.
Are these things fully remote controlled, or running some rudimentary DARPA-challenge style "go to this location while navigating the terrain on your own" AI?
[QUOTE=bob4life;47115728]imagine taking a guard dog and mentally linking the real dog to one of these things. slap on oculus rift or some other science bullshit on it. now you've got an actual dog operating an animal-like machine.
it'd be a Robodog.[/QUOTE]
A lost family pet's brain becomes the central wetware for one of these things. Cyberdog. It's scary, but it could also be a sitcom.
Boston Dynamics is incredible.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27HkxMo6qK0[/media]
An older video from 2013 of the DARPA robot challenge. Boston Dynamics robot can be first seen at 4:22 climbing a ladder. But the hole cutting and door opening challenges are fun to watch, too. I sorta feel bad for that blue crab walking robot that's struggling with the self-closing door.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmMVHGNXvI[/media]
Remember when Grandpa Asimo was the stuff of science fiction?
Imagine working in the office buildings adjacent to the Boston Dynamics parking lot and seeing these weird military robot dogs prancing around the field every week.
Honestly outside of military operations that require silence, I'd say they should keep the droning and buzzing.
It'd be something straight out of Silent Hill if they were droning like that and coming at you under the cover of dark.
Every time they release videos, all I can think of is what they have that isn't allowed to be shown...
[QUOTE=GinkNocab;47118743]Every time they release videos, all I can think of is what they have that isn't allowed to be shown...[/QUOTE]phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range
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