Progressive Rock - Psychadelic Galaxies in 7/4 Time - General

[QUOTE=AK'z;33766791]I've heard PT to be called "Girl Prog".[/QUOTE] Girl prog is basically an oxymoron, though you can't really say PT is very masculine. But that's why I listen to MASTODON, to make up for all my lost masculinity :v:. [QUOTE=OctopusGuy;33768022]It certainly describes their newer stuff pretty well. I always imagined stuff like Deadwing and In Absentia (at least, the more popular songs from it) to be teenage girl-core.[/QUOTE] I don't know what you're on about, I always find myself headbanging and bulking my biceps to Lazarus and Trains. What nonsense.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33766791]I've heard PT to be called "Girl Prog".[/QUOTE] It certainly describes their newer stuff pretty well. I always imagined stuff like Deadwing and In Absentia (at least, the more popular songs from it) to be teenage girl-core.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emjBUQifwMw&feature=related[/media] just discovered this album but it's quickly become one of my favourites

[QUOTE=AK'z;33766791]I've heard PT to be called "Girl Prog".[/QUOTE] Prog is a very male-driven genre so if PT had even a few girls who were interested in it (Which Steve Wilson was asked about in an interview and put it down to the lyrics and the fact that he writes love songs) then it would be called girl prog. Defining genres by what gender listens to them is one of the greatest crimes of music anyway. And I reaaaallly wouldn't describe In Absentia and Deadwing as teenage girl-core. [QUOTE=Systema;33764189]that's really just definition twisting. you know what i mean by "overrated" and even then a person's rating is mostly defined by how much a person enjoys it from a critical perspective... what kind of point are you making here it's not like i'm forcing you to change your interests or anything, i just really think a lot of other bands are doing more interesting things for modern prog and i just wondered if anyone felt the same way as i did. but making "elitism" and "overrated" connected is kind of silly. think whatever you want really[/QUOTE] I'm going to put this out there. Porcupine Tree is not a prog band, and it hasn't been since the release of Stupid Dream - the most prog album since then has been the Incident. They have prog elements, sure, but really, on the whole of it, there is nothing besides the use of a few odd time signatures and some long songs that could even describe them as prog. But even with that, they aren't true prog. The only way you could think of Porcupine Tree as overrated is if you thought of them as a prog band. They're just a phenomenally good alt.rock band with a lead singer who happens to be very outspoken about his love for prog and as a result, the band has psych and prog elements, but at its heart I wouldn't describe it as a true prog band. If you listen to bands like Soundgarden, Radiohead, Talking heads and Japan then Porcupine Tree takes as much influence from New Wave and other genres as it does from Prog. It's labelled a prog metal band but I think it shouldn't be lumped in with that genre because it doesn't really suit the band. Also, as for early Porcupine Tree, listen to this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgvInF6FeG0[/media] Early Porcupine Tree wasn't exactly very original. Steve Wilson is here playing with Jansen Barbieri and Karn and funnily enough, it sounds exactly the same as almost the entirety of Up the Downstair, and was released earlier.

Yeah but the easy answer there is... my mum likes Porcupine Tree.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33778691]Yeah but the easy answer there is... my mum likes Porcupine Tree.[/QUOTE] So does mine what's wrong with that

I don't know what TRV KVLT PROG is supposed to be, but I'd say PT is definetly prog. It's not very in-your-face prog, but very subtle prog, and that I think is the whole point of PT. Wilson is a pretty good musician and he can use all the whacky prog elements like crazy time signatures and polyrhytms very descreetly. Even Stupid Dream has a song with a 5 minute flute/sax solo interlude and they have a 18 minute song with parts in 19/8 and 22/8 or something, how more prog can you get? And if Pink Floyd is considered prog, then PT is definitely prog.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;33779119]So does mine what's wrong with that[/QUOTE] Nothing [I]is[/I] wrong with that. Who said there was.

I wasn't saying anyone thought there was it was more of "So does mine and what is wrong with that" as in rhetorically there is nothing wrong with that its actually pretty cool as opposed to sounding accusatory

"I believe my mum does too, and there's nothing wrong with that my friend."

I just thought I would like to sound reaaally aggressive at you Speaking of Steve Wilson though, he's put live versions of some Grace For Drowning stuff on his soundcloud, and he's recording a live dvd on the second leg of his tour This shit's great: [media]http://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/no-part-of-me[/media] Furthermore his next album apart from storm corrosion will probably be another solo album, he's already writing it: [quote]After the Storm Corrotion album, what’s next? A next Porcupine Tree album? No, I’m currently working on my third solo album. The band I toured with, I’m so happy with that line-up. To write music to play with that band. To write music with a band it’s different that the music I wrote for “Grace for Drowning” with various people. Read more: [url]http://www.hit-channel.com/sinenteuxeis/xenoi-kallitexnes/english-version/item/5394-steven-wilson-soloporcupine-treeblackfieldno-man#ixzz1gtQWHd1U[/url][/quote]

Gonna listen to in the court of the crimson king later. what to expect

Jazz.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33779731]"I believe my mum does too, and there's nothing wrong with that my friend."[/QUOTE] You are often a good poster, but so often I just want you to fucking shut up sometimes

I had a thought the other day which was basically this 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and started being a genre with defined characteristics around the late '70s, right? so with that in mind you could make the argument that 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and therefore made the genre an oxymoron so prog rock isn't prog rock anymore prove me wrong

[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;33787634]You are often a good poster, but so often I just want you to fucking shut up sometimes[/QUOTE] So do I, Dope. So do I. :(

[QUOTE=absinthe;33793374]I had a thought the other day which was basically this 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and started being a genre with defined characteristics around the late '70s, right? so with that in mind you could make the argument that 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and therefore made the genre an oxymoron so prog rock isn't prog rock anymore prove me wrong[/QUOTE] Can't, because you're right

[QUOTE=absinthe;33793374] prove me wrong[/QUOTE] You're right.

[QUOTE=absinthe;33793374]I had a thought the other day which was basically this 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and started being a genre with defined characteristics around the late '70s, right? so with that in mind you could make the argument that 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and therefore made the genre an oxymoron so prog rock isn't prog rock anymore prove me wrong[/QUOTE] agreed. Both Genesis and Yes changed a lot during that time.

alrighty then so if there's a progressive rock band out there now and someone asks them what genre of music they play, what do they say

[QUOTE=absinthe;33800280]alrighty then so if there's a progressive rock band out there now and someone asks them what genre of music they play, what do they say[/QUOTE] Space Rock. [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] or Jazz.

Free Jazz, of course.

[QUOTE=absinthe;33793374]I had a thought the other day which was basically this 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and started being a genre with defined characteristics around the late '70s, right? so with that in mind you could make the argument that 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and therefore made the genre an oxymoron so prog rock isn't prog rock anymore prove me wrong[/QUOTE] Pretty much, though progressive rock doesn't really have as defined characteristics as other genres. The "progressive" label doesn't really tell anything about the music, except that it probably doesn't follow our "musical norms". So I don't think progressive rock has to contradict itself, you can still still make progressive rock that pushes the boundaries of progressive rock, thus making it progressive. If you're like "Now I shall make progressive rock", then it won't be truely progressive, but it's still possible.

My definition of prog is basically "an idea, spread in many directions".

When I think prog, I usually think about odd time signatures. Even though that's not even half of the definition.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33800515]My definition of prog is basically "an idea, spread in many directions".[/QUOTE] I have no idea what you mean by that, as usual, but to me prog is fundamentally just something that tries to do something new and tries to evolve. But absinthes though is noticeably true with the 70s prog bands, when moving through and out of the 70s. In the beginning of 70s everyone was just making whatever they wanted when prog wasn't as solid of a concept yet. Then they all suddenly realized "Ok, apparently we're progressive rock bands" and then they started making progressive rock. Coincidentally, the early prog albums are arguably some of the best ones (In the Court, Meddle, Close to the Edge, etc.).

[QUOTE=absinthe;33800280]alrighty then so if there's a progressive rock band out there now and someone asks them what genre of music they play, what do they say[/QUOTE] progressive rock

[QUOTE=TehKaboose;33800803]I have no idea what you mean by that, as usual, but to me prog is fundamentally just something that tries to do something new and tries to evolve. But absinthes though is noticeably true with the 70s prog bands, when moving through and out of the 70s. In the beginning of 70s everyone was just making whatever they wanted when prog wasn't as solid of a concept yet. Then they all suddenly realized "Ok, apparently we're progressive rock bands" and then they started making progressive rock. Coincidentally, the early prog albums are arguably some of the best ones (In the Court, Meddle, Close to the Edge, etc.).[/QUOTE] You may not understand what I said, but at least I wasn't vague. If you'd like an extension on my definition, it's mostly about the way the music moves. It's very different to others in its structure and concept. It's slightly refining the term "Art Rock". "Trying something new" is not a root of a genre of music.

In my mind progressive music as a whole signifies an attempt to bring rock to a more "intellectual" level musically. Making use of classical or jazz techniques in the writing and performance. If a song or piece is written using identifiable classical techniques and theoretically complex harmonies and structures then I describe it as progressive.

[QUOTE=absinthe;33793374]I had a thought the other day which was basically this 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and started being a genre with defined characteristics around the late '70s, right? so with that in mind you could make the argument that 'progressive rock' stopped being progressive and therefore made the genre an oxymoron so prog rock isn't prog rock anymore prove me wrong[/QUOTE] I've made the point in the past that there is prog and progressive music Prog is music which sounds like the progressive music of the 70's Progressive is music which is trying something new, like the progressive rock bands of the 70's did, but there is no need for them to sound similar to them