Is Obesity Really the Problem, or is it Lack of Education on the Subject? - General

See, as a fat guy, I understand that I'm fat because of my own decisions. I get it. I get that I should eat more of some things and less of others and less overall and that it's dangerous to my health and etc. . ., I get that. I just don't care. And I don't mean I just don't care in a flippant dismissive way, I get that it's important. I just don't think about it. It doesn't register in my brain. I have other things to do besides thinking about what I'm eating. I eat olives because they taste good. I eat bread because it's easy to down. I eat meats because meats taste good and keep you going. And you know what? I'm not going to start thinking differently because someone tells me to. I have my own priorities, and most of them don't include being healthy and attractive. If someone wants to call me a lazy tub of shit for that, s'cool. It's part of the deal. The whole "obesity epidemic" thing just feels like a copout to me. It's a really easy way of shifting the focus off of other more important issues like our absolutely abhorrent education and chronic laziness. Things that directly affect our efficiency when it comes to producing things and making decisions. Things that seem like they're never tackled the same way that eating too many Oreos is.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;37310021]See, as a fat guy, I understand that I'm fat because of my own decisions. I get it. I get that I should eat more of some things and less of others and less overall and that it's dangerous to my health and etc. . ., I get that. I just don't care. And I don't mean I just don't care in a flippant dismissive way, I get that it's important. I just don't think about it. It doesn't register in my brain. I have other things to do besides thinking about what I'm eating. I eat olives because they taste good. I eat bread because it's easy to down. I eat meats because meats taste good and keep you going. And you know what? I'm not going to start thinking differently because someone tells me to. I have my own priorities, and most of them don't include being healthy and attractive. If someone wants to call me a lazy tub of shit for that, s'cool. It's part of the deal. The whole "obesity epidemic" thing just feels like a copout to me. It's a really easy way of shifting the focus off of other more important issues like our absolutely abhorrent education and chronic laziness. Things that directly affect our efficiency when it comes to producing things and making decisions. Things that seem like they're never tackled the same way that eating too many Oreos is.[/QUOTE] OK have fun being a lazy tub of shit. But none of this is really relevant to the debate.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;37312609]OK have fun being a lazy tub of shit. But none of this is really relevant to the debate.[/QUOTE] lol way to be a dick about it. anyway whether it's too skinny or too fat, eating healthy is always good. and sweets every once in a while are also good.. in taste.

The same amount of soda is less expensive than the same amount of water. :rolleyes: That when taken into context would show why most people are fat. It isn't (mostly) their fault. It's the markets.

[QUOTE=TSIThomas;37317675]The same amount of soda is less expensive than the same amount of water. :rolleyes: That when taken into context would show why most people are fat. It isn't (mostly) their fault. It's the markets.[/QUOTE] actually, water is pretty cheap if you get it from your tap. And unless you are poor, the whole "soda is 12 cents cheaper than water" argument doesn't work. If staying fit isn't worth spending a little more, you only have yourself to blame.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;37310021]See, as a fat guy, I understand that I'm fat because of my own decisions. I get it. I get that I should eat more of some things and less of others and less overall and that it's dangerous to my health and etc. . ., I get that. I just don't care. And I don't mean I just don't care in a flippant dismissive way, I get that it's important. I just don't think about it. It doesn't register in my brain. I have other things to do besides thinking about what I'm eating. I eat olives because they taste good. I eat bread because it's easy to down. I eat meats because meats taste good and keep you going. And you know what? I'm not going to start thinking differently because someone tells me to. I have my own priorities, and most of them don't include being healthy and attractive. If someone wants to call me a lazy tub of shit for that, s'cool. It's part of the deal. The whole "obesity epidemic" thing just feels like a copout to me. It's a really easy way of shifting the focus off of other more important issues like our absolutely abhorrent education and chronic laziness. Things that directly affect our efficiency when it comes to producing things and making decisions. Things that seem like they're never tackled the same way that eating too many Oreos is.[/QUOTE] You have to look after your own body you know man. It's the only body you got.

[QUOTE=Badballer;37338893]You have to look after your own body you know man. It's the only body you got.[/QUOTE] That's not true, I've got a spare.

fat people are the real problem

Media is the problem here,and i won't even talk about it as it causes me to want to smash someone's head with a sledgehammer and throw it's brain to the cats. You get fat not because you eat some fatty food, you get fat because you insert more energy then you need. You can eat only grass all time and you will still get fat. About that head and sledgehammer part, i know, i am a horrible person. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating" - Megafan))[/highlight]

Personally I think it's unfair that fat people are almost criminalized in the media and out on the streets - People can have a predisposition to be 'larger' than other because of genes, or they have a low metabolism, or they're too busy to exercise as much as they'd like to, perhaps they're shy. The assumption nowadays is that they're greedy assholes who only like food.

My dad is pretty fat, Overweight, maybe obese I cant remember but basically hes fat enough so that its harmful to his health as he has an enlarged heart because his heart is becoming more muscular from having to pump blood around his fatass. hes been to the doctors a few times on the situation, they told him to eat less and exercise but he hasent really done anything in 20ish years. Im also not exactly the fittest man you're gunna find but im also not an idiot. Basically you just got to walk half an hour three times every week if your on an average diet to stay fit and cut out the large portions and reduce carbs, sugars and uncessary things like beer n stuff. I would say thats too hard to keep track of but hell some people just dont give a shit and would rather drink bacon juice and have good ole fat sex.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;37310021]And you know what? I'm not going to start thinking differently because someone tells me to. I have my own priorities, and most of them don't include being healthy and attractive. If someone wants to call me a lazy tub of shit for that, s'cool. It's part of the deal.[/QUOTE] I don't think attractiveness is something to keep in mind when it comes to being healthy, I would think it's more of a matter of 'how much do you enjoy your life and how long do you want it to last?'. Even if it's not a concern, all you have to do is devote a small amount of time each day to keep it that way. If you avoid the problem in the first place by eating right and being healthy, then it won't have to be a concern later in life.

It is completely a lack of education with a salt lick of laze. It may not be a new concept that eating unhealthy shit is, well, unhealthy. The problem lies deeper in that people don't actually really know what's unhealthy for them and what isn't. There are way too many people who think that eating fatty foods is the sole reason people get fat, ala, avoid eating food with fat in it and i won't get fat! Completely neglecting the fact that carbohydrates and protein will get converted and put into fat stores by the body when it doesn't need them, also neglecting that your body NEEDS FAT TO FUNCTION. The other part is people can be lazy as fuck, and don't even want to put in the mental effort to avoid being fat. You can go ANYWHERE and find something healthy to eat. Even fast food joints, really cheap too! I can goto costco and spend 150 dollars and have a months worth a food for goodness sake. People don't even need to goto the gym to lose weight, believe it or not your body needs to burn a lot of calories just to keep you alive. If you stop eating shit, and stop making your servings bigger than your plate, you will be fine.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;37277547]You can eat like a total lardass and still be skinny as long as you work out. I eat massive portions at meals, munch on candy every single day and drink no less than 4 cans of pop daily and yet I only weigh 185 because I do at least 6 hours of strenuous physical activity daily.[/QUOTE] While the physical activity is certainly good and eating big meals is OK, that sugar consumption is likely to land you with diabeetus if you don't stop. Consuming that much sugar is more or less just as bad as being really fat, you're doing as much if not more damage to your health as somebody who is exceptionally fat.

[QUOTE=Archive;37489240]It is completely a lack of education with a salt lick of laze. It may not be a new concept that eating unhealthy shit is, well, unhealthy. The problem lies deeper in that people don't actually really know what's unhealthy for them and what isn't.[/QUOTE] Uhhh, no, people probably already know what is and what isn't bad for them. It's quite obvious that a home cooked meal of roast chicken with a side of assorted vegetables is healthier than a burger and fries at McDonalds. Telling which food is and isn't healthy isn't rocket science. [quote]The other part is people can be lazy as fuck, and don't even want to put in the mental effort to avoid being fat.[/QUOTE] This is far more likely.

[QUOTE=Cabbage;37469031]Personally I think it's unfair that fat people are almost criminalized in the media and out on the streets - People can have a predisposition to be 'larger' than other because of genes, or they have a low metabolism, or they're too busy to exercise as much as they'd like to, perhaps they're shy. The assumption nowadays is that they're greedy assholes who only like food.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between being genetically inclined to store fat (Endomorph) that usually packs more muscle than an ectomorph, than an ectomorph that overeats. One is natural, and thus their body is adapted to it, the other isn't, and will suffer horribly.

Here's a way to lower obesity: [B]SHUT DOWN ALL FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.[/B]

[QUOTE=Dictator Dean;38684727]Here's a way to lower obesity: [B]SHUT DOWN ALL FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.[/B][/QUOTE] or learn some goddamn self control also nice bump

[QUOTE=Dictator Dean;38684727]Here's a way to lower obesity: [B]SHUT DOWN ALL FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.[/B][/QUOTE] well you could just put on each buger/pizza what ever how much fat is in it

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;38684914]well you could just put on each buger/pizza what ever how much fat is in it[/QUOTE] fat isn't the cause of getting fat though [editline]3rd December 2012[/editline] (back to the lack of education premise)

It's not lack of education. It's lack of self-control but also a "don't really give a fuck just want to eat" attitude doesn't help. Did I mention we're pre-programmed to EAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN due to those glorious thousands of years were food was not easy to get. So, unless I see a SUPER MEGA fat person, I don't really think it's their own fault. (I'm fat, so get at me 8D)

[QUOTE=Dictator Dean;38684727]Here's a way to lower obesity: [B]SHUT DOWN ALL FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.[/B][/QUOTE] I'm not obese (nowhere near it), but I don't mind getting fast food every now and again. Why should I be denied fast food simply because some people can't control themselves?

I believe the issue lies around: a) It being easier/cheaper to get unhealthy food b) Lack of self-control and the self-indulgent attitude Making it easier to choose to eat healthy more people are going to change their lifestyle. Also promoting active lifestyles wouldn't hurt.

One thing is that sugar, salt and fat are cheap. Thus the more a company can fill their foods with those materials the better.

That "you'refatbecauseyou'restupid" site is hilarious. Anyway, yes, it's the lack of education on the subject that causes most cases of obesity.

[QUOTE=Shark Cat;38698261]That "you'refatbecauseyou'restupid" site is hilarious. Anyway, yes, it's the lack of education on the subject that causes most cases of obesity.[/QUOTE] Disagree. While it may be a contributing factor I do not believe it's a very large reason. In my opinion, because it's so easy to get unhealthy fast-food people tend to eat it more instead of buying ingredients and cooking food for themselves. Today's society has turned into a instant gratification consumerist society. What better way to get that feel good gratification that comes from eating than to spend less money for quick tasty food from a drive-thru? Not only is it cheaper to eat tasty food it's also quicker and you can buy more! Sure, educating people can help but until buying and making your own food becomes the norm people aren't going to be in the position to not get fat without self-control.