[QUOTE=Contag;31914510]
Most people do an bricklayer because they love doing it?
Bullshit.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying if you're intelligent enough you should do it, even on a part-time basis, to broaden your understanding of the world, especially considering so many people don't get the chance.[/QUOTE]
some of them would love it. Not everyone has the same interests as you.
I know my father would have loved university (I send him the recorded lectures from time to time because he finds it interesting), but he dropped out of school when he was young because he couldn't write for shit, and everyone went "oh well, he can just an apprenticeship".
I think that learning should be a goal in itself, rather than "oh well I do really well on my ATAR I can do biomedicine and get a job which is prestigious and pays lodes emone".
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[QUOTE=Blumpkin Pie;31914586]some of them would love it. Not everyone has the same interests as you.[/QUOTE]
You are seriously saying that some people love doing the exact same repetitive manual action for 50 years?
Doing an apprentice in welding or another field which requires some kind of creativity/thought is a far better life choice than bricklaying, imo.
[QUOTE=Contag;31914081]Doggunn, are you shitting me? Saying people who X always do Y is stupid, but you cannot deny that there is a greater proportion of fuckwits in the trades than else.[/QUOTE]
I have no doubt there are more downers doing it because there are more people doing it, but suggesting you can be "too smart" for doing an apprenticeship is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;31914326]Jesus Christ everyone here is stupid. There is no more intelligent or less intelligent as intelligence is not a single measure. I doubt you could even put it in a scalar measurement for that matter.[/QUOTE]
Then how could someone be too smart for an apprenticeship? I'm not saying you're not smart, or that someone doing an apprenticeship is smart, but suggesting that doing one for you is wrong because "you're too smart" and "joints are fucked" is the most absurd reason out there. Not all apprenticeships are physical. You could become a chef or a telecommunications specialist and still use whatever general intelligence you have.
[QUOTE=Contag;31914510]Just because you can't measure intelligence obviously doesn't mean it doesn't exist or doesn't affect, well, everything. And yes, there are different sets of skills or intelligences, but one's ability to understand a range of things is dependent on a specific kind of intelligence that some people don't have.[/QUOTE]
If you cut it down to just a persons ability to learn new things then teenagers are on average more intelligent than people not going through puberty.
If you bring intelligence down to just one quantity then you ignore every other skill. Brains just do not work that way.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;31914754]If you cut it down to just a persons ability to learn new things then teenagers are on average more intelligent than people not going through puberty.[/QUOTE]
We're only talking about post-18 year olds.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;31914743]Then how could someone be too smart for an apprenticeship? I'm not saying you're not smart, or that someone doing an apprenticeship is smart, but suggesting that doing one for you is wrong because "you're too smart" and "joints are fucked" is the most absurd reason out there. Not all apprenticeships are physical. You could become a chef or a telecommunications specialist.[/QUOTE]
Because I had learned a fuckload of mathematical and analytical skills and to not put them to use is like English majors going to work at Starbucks. Saying I'm too smart for that is about the same as meaningful as saying everyone is stupid for misunderstanding intelligence. No matter what trade they do, they do not use the same mathematical skills that Engineer do.
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[QUOTE=Contag;31914777]We're only talking about post-18 year olds.[/QUOTE]
18 year olds still have remains of the flood of neurons allowing for increased learning capacity. The point is that it's stupid to judge intelligence by one merit. Someone who picks things up quickly but never learned anything isn't smarter than someone who is slower to learn but spends more time and effort in things meaningful.
[quote]"joints are fucked" is the most absurd reason out there.[/quote]
That's bullshit, though, as most (?? as far as I know) apprenticeships revolve around manual work.
As opposed to the immensely physically strenuous - 'reading, thinking and pouring yourself a coffee'.
I know exactly what you're trying to suggest, but I don't think you could've put it in worse terms.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;31914848]I know exactly what you're trying to suggest, but I don't think you could've put it in worse terms.[/QUOTE]
If you take intelligence, smarter and stupider to be meaningless concepts, it's not even an issue you need to worry about.
[QUOTE=Contag;31914830]That's bullshit, though, as most (?? as far as I know) apprenticeships revolve around manual work.[/QUOTE]
Of course some involved manual work, as do some Uni / TAFE subjects... you just don't do them though, like you wouldn't be a tradie if you were injured.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;31914866]Of course some involved manual work, as do some Uni / TAFE subjects... you just don't do them though, like you wouldn't be a tradie if you were injured.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, how many chefs do you see wheeling around the kitchen on those comfortable wheely chairs because their knees hurt to stand for 8 hours straight?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;31914862]If you take intelligence, smarter and stupider to be meaningless concepts, it's not even an issue you need to worry about.[/QUOTE]
I suggest you have a read of underemployment, perhaps a better term to use from now on.
I never said intelligence is a meaning concept, or anything similar, I suggested that you don't need to be "not too smart" to do an apprenticeship.
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[QUOTE=Contag;31914877]I don't know, how many chefs do you see wheeling around the kitchen on those comfortable wheely chairs because their knees hurt to stand for 8 hours straight?[/QUOTE]
what.
What academic job requires physical anything, except your mouse clicking finger and vocal cords?
[QUOTE=Contag;31914919]What academic job requires physical anything, except your mouse clicking finger and vocal cords?[/QUOTE]
Any physical science.
Physiotherapy for one.
PE.
Certain specific medicines.
[I]Wines of the World[/I]
[QUOTE=DogGunn;31914963]Any physical science.
Physiotherapy for one.
PE.
Certain specific medicines.
[I]Wines of the World[/I][/QUOTE]
? None of those are academic, except physical science, and even then, not really the academic parts of that.
Being a surgeon is hands on and you need to be on an op1 to be one.
[QUOTE=Contag;31914990]? None of those are academic, except physical science, and even then, not really the academic parts of that.[/QUOTE]
Of course they're academic. Physio and physical sciences involve the studies of anatomy, certain depths of biology and other sciences. But since when were we talking about academia? We were talking about going to uni over doing an apprenticeship.
[QUOTE=Contag;31914919]What academic job requires physical anything, except your mouse clicking finger and vocal cords?[/QUOTE]
you can have an academic job that isn't at a desk
[QUOTE=moonage;31915205]you can have an academic job that isn't at a desk[/QUOTE]
I don't know, it's fairly hard to write when you're doing anything other than sitting.
Missed the Drama again
[editline]24th August 2011[/editline]
gawddarn
you didn't miss much.
IT'S TEARING AUS THREAD APART
[QUOTE=Contag;31914510]When you were wondering about becoming a fireman, the money was a huge point of it?
[editline]24th August 2011[/editline]
Most people do an bricklayer because they love doing it?
Bullshit.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying if you're intelligent enough you should do it, even on a part-time basis, to broaden your understanding of the world, especially considering so many people don't get the chance.
[editline]24th August 2011[/editline]
Just because you can't measure intelligence obviously doesn't mean it doesn't exist or doesn't affect, well, everything. And yes, there are different sets of skills or intelligences, but one's ability to understand a range of things is dependent on a specific kind of intelligence that some people don't have.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about huge. Obviously money is an important point but its not like it's the deciding factor. If my main goal was to make money why would I want to be a fireman? Or a scientist?
shut up and make up
Fuck your muscles, dirty yellow shirts and blue singlets.
I'm comfortable sitting at a desk slaving away at models.
Everybody should take a fucking chill pill... or drink some booze... or smoke some weed. Whatever calms you all down.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31916025]Everybody should take a fucking chill pill... or drink some booze... or smoke some weed. Whatever calms you all down.[/QUOTE]
do all the things
and then masturbate
on tinychat
(no homo)
Kind of happy that I was doing a whole heap of work instead of putting any thought into all this fighting.
Geezeeeee peopleeee
[QUOTE=Hana-San;31919174]Kind of happy that I was doing a whole heap of work instead of putting any thought into all this fighting.
Geezeeeee peopleeee[/QUOTE]
work?
when there's arguing on facepunch to be done?
u crazy
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