Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[QUOTE=_Axel;46948980]Hm. Regardless I feel like we shouldn't question his motives too much when he's the one that's ultimately been the most honest about it so far.[/QUOTE]
panic can make people do silly things, the most important part is that he owned up to his mistakes and seems to be willing to fix them to make sure it doesn't happen again
[QUOTE=Zet;46948958]This is what aGG retards believe. They don't even read the whole goddamn thing. Even a guy I was talking to on twitter didn't read an article, and thought TB was getting paid for good reviews and linked me to that article that said the opposite. While the guy does retweet aGG stuff from time to time, he only does so because he's friends with quite a few people who are aGG. He knows enough shit from both sides to just stay neutral, but I think he only does it so his friends don't turn into "you're either with us or against" mode.
tl;dr: aGG can't read.[/QUOTE]
GG should organise to donate to an anti-illiteracy charity.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46949075][url]http://www.patreon.com/Cernowatch[/url]
[url]https://archive.today/e1mD6[/url]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/H7r2PMa.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Very snarky but this much is definitely fair game :v:
I'd be a bit sad if Patreon removes it, considering the potential drama value.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46949158]GG should organise to donate to an anti-illiteracy charity.[/QUOTE]
Or a vision-impairment one.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46949158]GG should organise to donate to an anti-illiteracy charity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46949236]Or a vision-impairment one.[/QUOTE]
A Braille school?
Reading through the comments on the articles, the mod are actually caring and provide explanations to concerns that are raised, even if they disagree on some points. That's miles ahead of Polygon's mods who have no qualms deleting entire discussions if they don't agree with their view or spreading misinformation outright.
I recently got in a bit of an argument with a poster on FP who thinks GG is pretty fucking stupid.
Something I've discovered from this little argument is how unwilling they are to either answer criticism, to fact check themselves, to really engage in discussion. I don't know if that's how all AGG people are but it certainly seems like it.
I'm frankly fucking tired of it. It's just a show of intellectual dishonesty on their part.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46949328]I recently got in a bit of an argument with a poster on FP who thinks GG is pretty fucking stupid.
Something I've discovered from this little argument is how unwilling they are to either answer criticism, to fact check themselves, to really engage in discussion. I don't know if that's how all AGG people are but it certainly seems like it.
I'm frankly fucking tired of it. It's just a show of intellectual dishonesty on their part.[/QUOTE]
Lemme guess, it goes something like this:
aGG: It's totally not about harrasing women guys *smirk*
GG: But it's not, it's about ethics
aGG: LOL, this guy thinks its about ethics, everyone point and laugh and agree with me because of my holier-than-thou attitude ahaha
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46949328]I recently got in a bit of an argument with a poster on FP who thinks GG is pretty fucking stupid.
Something I've discovered from this little argument is how unwilling they are to either answer criticism, to fact check themselves, to really engage in discussion. I don't know if that's how all AGG people are but it certainly seems like it.
I'm frankly fucking tired of it. It's just a show of intellectual dishonesty on their part.[/QUOTE]
humans do not like to admit they are wrong. many will fight tooth and nail to make sure that the ideas already in their head remain correct to them. facts are only a tool to continue to feed their ego, and when their tools turn against them they will reject it and/or create a false truth. ironically enough, it is the same tactic that religious extremists use to justify violence, social conservatives use to justify the subjugation of minorities, and climate change deniers use to, well, deny climate change.
people will always demand scrutiny of others, but deny any scrutiny put upon themselves
[QUOTE=Xubs;46949629]admitting defeat can be a relieving feeling, more people should learn how to do it[/QUOTE]
exactly, i admit that i am wrong, i concede points, i allow myself to be convinced, and every time i feel not only more informed, but i feel like a better person. in a lot of the posts in question, i feel quite a bit of pent up angst. they dodge points, focus on how things are said moreso than what is said, and are more prone to snark than any attempt to advance a point. i honestly haven't seen too many of those posts try to convince anyone that their viewpoint is "wrong" and theirs is "right", they only want to shame you into being on their side.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46949606]humans do not like to admit they are wrong. many will fight tooth and nail to make sure that the ideas already in their head remain correct to them. facts are only a tool to continue to feed their ego, and when their tools turn against them they will reject it and/or create a false truth. ironically enough, it is the same tactic that religious extremists use to justify violence, social conservatives use to justify the subjugation of minorities, and climate change deniers use to, well, deny climate change.
people will always demand scrutiny of others, but deny any scrutiny put upon themselves[/QUOTE]
I hate to be "that guy" but I regularly subject myself to my own critical lens and find that doing so is what keeps me sharp and capable of figuring out truths or aspects of truth. I don't really expect everyone to do that, but I would wish they would if that made a difference.
[QUOTE=Xubs;46949629]admitting defeat can be a relieving feeling, more people should learn how to do it[/QUOTE]
To even qualify it as defeat would be misnaming it. I think this quote from Saint-Exupéry sums up the situation pretty well:
[QUOTE]Si tu diffères de moi, mon frère, loin de me léser, tu m’enrichis.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]If you differ from me, brother, far from hurting me, you enrich me.[/QUOTE]
If you end up changing your opinion after considering the opposition's argument, you can reasonably claim to be closer to the truth. That's the basis of the dialectical method.
So Quinn is going to be on a GDC panel discussing harassment now, and they said 'they changed the panel from a Q&A ish style to telling style'.
[QUOTE=Fangz;46949758]So Quinn is going to be on a GDC panel discussing harassment now, and [B]they said 'they changed the panel from a Q&A ish style to telling style'.[/B][/QUOTE]
Huh. Wonder why that is.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46949742]I hate to be "that guy" but I regularly subject myself to my own critical lens and find that doing so is what keeps me sharp and capable of figuring out truths or aspects of truth. I don't really expect everyone to do that, but I would wish they would if that made a difference.[/QUOTE]
i completely agree, i was speaking generally with that statement, but i do know that there are people who do self-scrutinize, it just does not seem to be a common trait among the human race
[QUOTE=Fangz;46949758]So Quinn is going to be on a GDC panel discussing harassment now, and they said 'they changed the panel from a Q&A ish style to telling style'.[/QUOTE]
I bet it is a sob story about how she hasn't seen her dog in three months because she was on the run from evil gamergaters sent by her jilted ex and how Frederick Brennan is Satan Personified.
Nevermind the fact that Quinn apparently planned her trip to Europe since the beginning of last year, way before all this even happened.
I don't like generalizing but there's no worse debating partner than the willfully ignorant and there's a devastatingly large percentage of them among those who oppose gamergate, I don't know why but I'm sick of it
Wu's page is a massive violation of patreon, shes gonna get the boot soon
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7gcCO8CIAIMznY.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46949407]Some people just need to be told that they are stupid. Like the guy that got the social marxism article removed.
[quote]I believe people do not change, and that a person's perspective is an innate and unchanging element of the soul, which is created and raised by the material circumstances of a person's existence.[/quote][/QUOTE]
That just sounds like a convenient way to weasel out of any form of criticism and dismiss anyone who doesn't align with their world view
[QUOTE=Jordax;46949784]I bet it is a sob story about how she hasn't seen her dog in three months because she was on the run from evil gamergaters sent by her jilted ex and how Frederick Brennan is Satan Personified.
Nevermind the fact that Quinn apparently planned her trip to Europe since the beginning of last year, way before all this even happened.[/QUOTE]
IIRC, the Euro trip was even brought up in thezoepost. She said she was gonna get psych help to Gjoni, and then posted on twitter about the trip.
[editline]16th January 2015[/editline]
Also, I believe why most of the left MSM sites are picking up smear articles on GG is because they are suffering a slow death. If you aren't Fox, then your numbers are in the hole. So they try to pick up sensational views by these hit pieces.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46949900]Wu's page is a massive violation of patreon, shes gonna get the boot soon
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7gcCO8CIAIMznY.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
If patreon actually takes down Wu's page i'll be surprised and impressed, would probably reconsider my distaste for them depending on the details of the take down, and whether more pages follow suit.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46949900]Wu's page is a massive violation of patreon, shes gonna get the boot soon
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7gcCO8CIAIMznY.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Man, between that and PCG's apology, it's like Christmas came early (or late). Let's hope they actually follow suit. It's unlikely they won't since they clearly state their intentions here but they're not above being dishonest from what I saw.
[URL]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/556243271165681664[/URL]
This reminds me of that time I got my grandma to play with a controller
[QUOTE=Wii60;46949900]Wu's page is a massive violation of patreon, shes gonna get the boot soon
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7gcCO8CIAIMznY.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
What was on Wu's page? I missed it.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46949900]Wu's page is a massive violation of patreon, shes gonna get the boot soon
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7gcCO8CIAIMznY.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Just wait for Wu to call for a boycott of patreon if her account gets suspended.
Then watch the professional victim civil war escalate.
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46950056][URL]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/556243271165681664[/URL]
This reminds me of that time I got my grandma to play with a controller[/QUOTE]
It looks like she has Parkinson's or something
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;46950091]What was on Wu's page? I missed it.[/QUOTE]
her whole page is 95% "im a internet victim give me money" and 5% "i made a game"
[url]http://www.patreon.com/user?u=439829[/url]
patreon is for creating stuff, not sad money
I haven't been following this thread too much, so has there been any big things within the past few months people like me should know?
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46950056][URL]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/556243271165681664[/URL]
This reminds me of that time I got my grandma to play with a controller[/QUOTE]
its not even on, the light on the logo is off.
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