• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47172267]Gamergate is a vague label, if you want to push against sexism in gaming, go for it. Just don't shame women in the process like the radicals we actively fight against have done - they only care about money, attention and power. This is the "Corruption in Games Journalism" thread though, so we tend to lean more towards fixing journalism before remnants of sexism.[/QUOTE] Honestly, this is, for all intensive purposes, "The GamerGate Thread" on these forums. IMO, it should be expanded to "The Gaming Culture and Corruption in Games Journalism" thread because these issues overlap, and we can discuss things like gaming culture and such when it's slow without being off-topic. That's just my opinion. I know people might say "See! So much for it being just about corruption!" But these people only use this line to try and quiet people who argue against their false attacks on gaming culture. I'll agree that the culture discussion wasn't an initial part of this, but it's been made a HUGE part of it and I don't really think we can afford to remain silent about it anymore.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47172637]hi indie game devs please remove the biggest curator on steam off your game page if he recommends your game thanks [url]https://archive.today/wfa6v[/url][/QUOTE] I don't understand why anyone would want to bring less attention to their game by deleting curator recommendations.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47172637]hi indie game devs please remove the biggest curator on steam off your game page if he recommends your game thanks [url]https://archive.today/wfa6v[/url][/QUOTE] To a savvy buyer, curator recommendations are fairly meaningless, save for the very Brit they want to block who is known to be extremely pro-consumer. [editline]19th February 2015[/editline] [IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/2ekosqh.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Keitaro;47172669]I don't understand why anyone would want to bring less attention to their game by deleting curator recommendations.[/QUOTE] We're talking about someone who pulled his game with MSPaint art from desura and steam because they wouldn't buy into his political bullshit He's kind of an expert in career suicide
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47168573]Well there's another issue, what's boyish? And isn't that decided by us, the general public? What would determine it to be boyish inherently?[/QUOTE] Testosterone levels are boyish, and this hormone leads to the development of different characteristics in the brain, which influences behaviour. To read more about this, go to [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences[/url] Studies made with very very young children (about 1 day old) have shown that these differences lead to boys picking more mechanical or technical toys, while girls chose toys like dolls that resemble persons. [video=youtube;p5LRdW8xw70]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70[/video] There is a part in this video at the 20 minute mark. The whole documentary is interesting, I recommend watching it as a whole, as it shows both sides. And then there is the other question, if there are no boyish or girlish things and everything is just a result of societal influence and pressure, how come there are transgender people feeling that they are born in the wrong body?
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;47170574]The server allows for use of cheats?[/QUOTE] It's 2b2t. There are no rules. If you have a modified client that can bypass the anti cheats in place, anything goes. There are no rules. There are no bans. The map is never reset. It is hell, and it is beautiful.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;47172403]Gamergate isn't a movement it's a scandal We're the gamers, we are our own side I've never understood why everyone accepted it as a label towards themselves, it's as strange as calling yourself a watergater. It also just makes you look like a seperate entity than gamers and makes it easier for journos to attack us.[/QUOTE] Referring to what is currently "pro-GG" as merely "gamers" puts an unnecessary pressure on people who distance themselves from the controversy. It has an unwritten stigma of inclusion and exclusion, where identifying as a gamer is mutually exclusive with holding beliefs of the group, which isn't exactly fair for onlookers who are just recently catching wind of what's going on. It's the same sort of pressure that "anti-GG" have with the "feminists" label. Either you support these women wholeheartedly or you get labeled as woman-hating scum. I admit that it would be difficult to find an appropriate catch-all term for people who are supportive of ousting the unethical practices in games. Using a catch-all term like "gamer" or "consumer" don't encompass all of the people that have invested time in investigating what's been going on. That ship has sailed, so "pro-GG" is the current term in use. Unfortunately that backfires a bit when you have people on the opposite side of the playground flinging shit and besmirching the label itself to make anyone that uses it look inferior. Rational people who can look beyond the bullshit will see through what's going on, at least.
They really hate TB,I wonder what hashtag they will give us next ,we used the last 2 to bring attention to Tubercalosis and world hunger.
LOL y'all fuckers are RUTHLESS!
[QUOTE=Keitaro;47172669]I don't understand why anyone would want to bring less attention to their game by deleting curator recommendations.[/QUOTE] I think it only amounts to hiding it when visiting the game's store page while not subscribed to the curator, basically so that they can hide the negative "recommendations". It's a sane thing to do since it would otherwise hinder business to some extent, and if someone wants to use a specific curator they can still subscribe to it and have it show up (I assume. I haven't actually checked this because I don't know of any instance where that happened). [editline]19th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=dai;47171880]can you guys stop panicking about ~getting hacked~ because a page takes some time to load, thanksss[/QUOTE] It's a reference to that joke thread that popped up a while ago when the forums went down. If anything you can probably blame certain mods for extending that joke as long as possible. [editline]19th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47172025]She tried attaching herself to the gamergate hashtag but due to her basically requirement for attention (by the way, she might have intentionally put her business email,) she went and inadvertly attacked major opposition figures and was cast into obscurity, only to surface again now. She is a known scammer and has been trying far too hard to farm sympathy money for ages now. She's as extreme as it get's and the definition of a bad "professional victim."[/QUOTE] To me the funniest part is that I found exactly [URL="http://tweetsave.com/nobodym8000/status/568359367994535936"]one instance of harassment directed at her[/URL] [URL="https://archive.today/o45iV"]over the whole time[/URL], and it's completely unrelated. Everyone else is just laughing at her for being mean to kids and blaming others when it's found out :v: [URL="http://tweetsave.com/pixelgoth/status/568442179967782912"]She even admits that she was wrong now[/URL] but is still calling this [URL="http://tweetsave.com/pixelgoth/status/568442046819618816"]"like a nightmare version of what [she] used to go through"[/URL] (note the proximity of the timestamps).
Were bigots now for saying nothing to her? She's crazy and unfortunately reminds me of somebody I know in real life. Seriously she treats the smallest things like the worst thing to happen to her, every time. She's [I]trying[/I] to get attention so hard. Unrelated, she really needs to use ⟨ ⟩.
In those tweets she wasn't talking about us, she was talking about some unnamed forum she used to frequent.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47171874]I still don't understand how or why a discussion of bribery and corruption in gaming journalism turned into something that is being primarily billed as a feminist issue? I haven't taken much interest in the whole thing, so I must have missed where, exactly, that leap took place. Even NPR reported on this as being a feminist issue, and they have never, to my knowledge, intentionally misrepresented a story. So, this confusion obviously runs pretty deep.[/QUOTE] NPR in some places has gone down in the shitter, it's only when I started to notice when I had connections to what was being reported to how bad they sunk. I'll still listen to NPR, but they look for the narrative more then the facts like the other complaints in main stream media. Before the the hashtag Gamergate came around people misinforming others that it was a feminist issue and women must be saved from harassment culture that breeds within the gaming community. So there is that problem where people who label themselves as feminists believing in propaganda to spread the misinformation as truth and defend it down to the core to be used then as pawns to disrupt the entropy of information that is guided by the investigation of the truth and filtered through fact checking. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47172035]So, basically, she's just some random person who felt like trolling for some controversy? Because if that's the case, why do we care at all? Let her moan and groan if she wants to. If she wants to pretend that getting banned from a forum for trolling some Minecraft thing is an attack on her gender, and not just booting out somebody who's being toxic, then there's not too dang much we can do about that. Garry has already told her that if she can provide proof of harassment, that he'll take action on it. And if any of you schmucks actually take this half-assed bait then you'd have it coming. It's fine to laugh about somebody making a dork of themselves here, but it should go without saying that there's nothing to be gained by taking it to a more personal venue, right? If you're spamming her Twitter or whatever (which I'm not saying anybody is. I don't even have a Twitter), then that ain't okay by our forum rules. That's considered raiding, and it's just being as petty and childish as she is. That's really all I gotta say on the subject! She can flail about and cry shenanigans until her cheeks turn red-- just have the common sense not to give her anything to throw. Just in case that wasn't self-evident to everybody here already.[/QUOTE] okay I missed your post. The pawn part is redundant in conversation, but NPR isn't what it used to be.
Polygon attacks the petition again: [url]https://archive.today/FoInL[/url] [quote]Make a small game. Go to an IGDA dev meet-up and help devs playtest their games. Start a podcast, or a forum. Join a cosplay group. Try a new platform or a new type of game you’d never think would appeal to you.[/quote] [quote]There’s only so much I can do to tell people about the wonderful community of gamers, writers and thinkers and games festivals, and then watch all my good work undone because they search the GamerGate hashtag on Twitter and see the worst side of the culture. It’s much harder to want to bring people I care about into the fold these days, knowing they could cop weeks of hate over something as trivial as drawing fan art of a character. We’re not creating new gamers anymore, we’re creating more targets. The pattern has been going on for years, and unless we stop it, it’s hard to see a future where mainstream audiences accept games the same way they do films and books. When Anita Sarkeesian started her Tropes vs. Women series in 2009, she went on to make many videos that addressed sexist tropes in books, TV, movies and toys. None of those groups saw her as a threat to their mediums. But when she started applying exactly the same ideas to video games, many gamers went ballistic! This is embarrassing! It’s embarrassing that so many gamers are so much more sensitive about ordinary critique than fans of other mediums. It reflects badly on the rest of us.[/quote] [quote] You can pretend till you’re blue in the face that your particular kind of nasty message isn’t harassment, but outsiders can see that it is. Maybe you’re angry at someone’s skepticism of our community, but you’re confirming their worst fears when you react with slurs and threats. Even if you yourself aren’t "that guy", even if you’re not the nasty-hostile-message-sending type, standing by idly (or worse, telling victims to pipe down) means this stuff is able to grow. Every time a gamer says "that’s just the internet" or "abuse is a normal part of gaming," they’re signalling to everyone else that gaming culture is a nasty place.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47172772] [video=youtube;p5LRdW8xw70]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70[/video][/QUOTE] Well that was infuriating. None of the Norwegians gave any answers as to why they thought biology played no role, or any reasons to refute the studies done by the English/Americans. Either these people literally have no reasons or this documentary was kind of poop. My guess is with the blonde Norwegian woman she literally had no reason and just wanted to believe, considering what she says at the end. At least the English gave reasons as to why they disagreed with the other side.
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2wfmuu/fresh_allegations_of_corruption_french_developer/[/url] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/IHnmn1d.png[/thumb]
[QUOTE=Ithon;47174101][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2wfmuu/fresh_allegations_of_corruption_french_developer/[/url] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/IHnmn1d.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] This explains the Flashback reboot nobody asked for or noticed going by. It received government grants. [t]http://www.xb1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/flashback-002.jpg[/t] [URL="http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/flashback"]Metacritic score: 50[/URL] (PC and PS3 didn't even garner enough reviews to establish an average. Oh dear. :v:)
[QUOTE=Fangz;47174050]Polygon attacks the petition again: [url]https://archive.today/FoInL[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]It’s much harder to want to bring people I care about into the fold these days, knowing they could cop weeks of hate over something as trivial as drawing fan art of a character. [/quote] Just like certain people hunted down the personal information of Plebcomics and got her fired from her job? Yeah, you're [i]totally right![/i] Maybe if certain people didn't create an adversarial culture of fear and hatred, this kind of thing wouldn't happen!
When I came home from Uni I was incredibly furious because I was saying hi to people but getting no response back. Reading the last few pages of what has happened has cheered me up. Thanks guys.
[QUOTE=Fouytan222;47172160]Every aGG person I've seen on Facepunch unironically believes GG is misogynistic hate movement and everyone in it is a conservative, right-wing, red pill fedora tipper. They don't want to have a discussion or a debate, they just want to make drive-by shitposts about how awful we all are for having the gall to actually care about our hobby. If anything they've convinced me that SJW culture isn't actually about social justice or helping minorities, its about giving closeted bullies having a way to feel superior to other people. But hey, that kind of posting is what got MaxofS2D and SigmaLamda permabanned, so maybe giving them a place to shitpost wouldn't be a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Sup I've never really posted in this thread before but I've been following it intermittenly. I'm just wondering what exactly a 'proper' aGG argument would qualify as (as in not simply insulting or shitposting)? Like what are their general points against it?
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;47174230]Sup I've never really posted in this thread before but I've been following it intermittenly. I'm just wondering what exactly a 'proper' aGG argument would qualify as (as in not simply insulting or shitposting)? Like what are their general points against it?[/QUOTE] That depends, are you talking to a moderate or a radical?
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47174276]That depends, are you talking to a moderate or a radical?[/QUOTE] Either, I guess
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I made a giant post and cloudflare deleted it when I tried to post. Holy god damn I am [I]angry[/I], why didn't I save it. Had all the arguments compiled and everything, for fucks sake. FP fix the damn copy-paste issue already.
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;47174230]Sup I've never really posted in this thread before but I've been following it intermittenly. I'm just wondering what exactly a 'proper' aGG argument would qualify as (as in not simply insulting or shitposting)? Like what are their general points against it?[/QUOTE] Honestly i've never seen any without being paired with shitposting/insults. Any non shitpost aGG arguments i've seen are outside of FP and are usually falsified by general game knowledge.
Okay I'll respond with all the arguments tommorow when I have the time to remake the damn thing. God damn it.
remember when the SVU episode was pro-rape and pro-gamergate [url]https://archive.today/jLK0D[/url]
[QUOTE=Wii60;47174407]remember when the SVU episode was pro-rape and pro-gamergate [url]https://archive.today/jLK0D[/url][/QUOTE] From what I heard, they painted gaming in general in a VERY negative light. So what the flying fuck? Do these hacks even read up on the stories they're fucking writing articles on?
[video=youtube;9jnW5hnsu2U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jnW5hnsu2U[/video]
[QUOTE=Wii60;47174491][video=youtube;9jnW5hnsu2U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jnW5hnsu2U[/video][/QUOTE] Time for truth bombs to get dropped.
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