• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[url]https://archive.today/6yRRq#selection-1371.0-1373.224[/url] sony is anti-gamergate SCEE's CEO
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;47196892]To be fair, it's 2b2t. What they did wasn't disallowed per the server rules.[/QUOTE] So given the opportunity to join a server with no rules... they choose to grief and troll. Given a chance to play a game in an open world, they chose... to join a server where griefing and trolling is allowed and engage in such shit behavior.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47196696][url]https://twitter.com/DanielVavra/status/569686445344079872[/url] Guy has to defend his game (Kingdom Come: Deliverance) against an anti-gg guy who says "Why isn't there black guys in this medieval period game?"[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/YyQrUzi.png[/img] And this guy doesn't fucking give up. Geezus.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;47195883]Yeah, there was a lot about Facepunch on my twitter feed this morning but it all seemed kinda incoherent, so I thought I'd make it clear that, hey, if anyone wants a chat I'd be willing to listen. I know how busy people like Garry are and probably don't want to deal with this sort of thing Like, I keep typing more to this but deleting it cuz I'm not really sure what to say or make of this - I was mainly curious why she signed up to Facepunch in the first place as it seemed odd to make an account to post griefing pics [editline]23rd February 2015[/editline] Hahahah, hi Like, the way I see it, as long as you guys aren't starting witch hunts and or harassing people, I'm totally fine just letting everyone get on with whatever[/QUOTE] I'm sure a lot of us are interested in knowing why you identify as Anti-GG. I doubt you'd go on a shitposting spree à la MaxOfS2D so it could be quite constructive and bring some fresh air into this thread which is obviously dominantly pro-GG.
[QUOTE=Banned?;47197328][img]http://i.imgur.com/YyQrUzi.png[/img] And this guy doesn't fucking give up. Geezus.[/QUOTE] apparently man in black and SRHbutts are Zoe quinn harrassment proxies according to broteam because she can't break her court order about talking about GG so she got someone else to spew what she wants.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47197386]apparently man in black and SRHbutts are Zoe quinn harrassment proxies according to broteam[/QUOTE] What's their evidence?
[QUOTE=_Axel;47197389]What's their evidence?[/QUOTE] he posted this last night: [url]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/569726880288342016[/url] then they reacted really strange and defensive at him due to it: [url]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/569737125509201920[/url] Reimu adds to it: [url]https://twitter.com/SdoctmdPlays/status/569741851474980864[/url] no super hard evidence, but the way they act is weird ever since this was unveiled
I'm a few pages late with this, but why are people liking Liana or whoever? Wasn't she the idiot who claimed Witcher 3 is made of rape? [editline]23rd February 2015[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XILc1jy.jpg[/IMG] found it
[QUOTE=Wii60;47197196][URL]https://archive.today/6yRRq#selection-1371.0-1373.224[/URL] sony is anti-gamergate SCEE's CEO[/QUOTE] It's funny because he then says this: [quote]I don’t think you can or should discriminate one way or the other. Quotas in boardrooms, quotas in sporting teams, I personally don’t believe that these are the right way to achieve a world where discrimination is not prevalent.[/quote] Basically he feels threatened by GamerGate (as all journalists and publishers should. Not for their lives, but certainly their livelyhood), but then echos common sentiments anyway about everything that isn't "ethics in journalism" related.
[QUOTE=ZuXer;47197428]I'm a few pages late with this, but why are people liking Liana or whoever?[/QUOTE] i have no idea. i remember when she shitposted on 8chan pretending to be not-liana k, then when she got called out on it and was threatened a ban if she didn't put shoe on head on twitter, she did so. she has also freaked out on stream during an interview at people on twitter. she's flip-flopped to whatever side of gamergate is making the most money and will get her the most popularity since the beginning.
[QUOTE=ZuXer;47197428]I'm a few pages late with this, but why are people liking Liana or whoever? Wasn't she the idiot who claimed Witcher 3 is made of rape? [editline]23rd February 2015[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XILc1jy.jpg[/IMG] found it[/QUOTE] I have always found this particularly confusing. I'm going to try and ask her about it on Twitter.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;47197462]It's funny because he then says this: Basically he feels threatened by GamerGate (as all journalists and publishers should. Not for their lives, but certainly their livelyhood), but then echos common sentiments anyway about everything that isn't "ethics in journalism" related.[/QUOTE] They actually joke about studios paying for coverage. Ethics! Hah, what a joke!
How many regulars here are GG/AGG? Has there ever been heated debate here or is it predominantly a concensus?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;47197520]They actually joke about studios paying for coverage. Ethics! Hah, what a joke![/QUOTE] Self-awareness doesn't seem to be their strong suit. Also Liana K had this to say when I asked her about the "full of rape" comment: [quote]for the 1,000,000 time that comment was about a trailer. Not the game itself. Someone asked me what game the TRAILER was for[/quote] I didn't feel pressing any further was a good idea and she favourited me thanking her and backing off. I'm not too sure what to take from it honestly so I figure I'm just going to wait until the game comes out and see what she says about it. [QUOTE=OvB;47197562]How many regulars here are GG/AGG? Has there ever been heated debate here or is it predominantly a concensus?[/QUOTE] In this thread in particular, posters are largely GG with a smattering of neutrals. AGG rarely shows up, and when they do it tends to be in the form of toxic shitposting. Only a handful of AGG posters have ever come here in good faith. I won't lie, I'm not terribly interested in engaging them myself, but I respect that they're at least willing to talk to us so I stay out of the way and let other users debate them. The most heated debates in this thread tend to be amongst GG supporters about meta topics like eceleb drama. Otherwise the discussions stay pretty civil and sometimes are even really informative. From browsing KiA, 8chan, and a few other sources, I find that the regulars in this thread are decidedly some of the most moderate GG supporters around. Other places tend to get a little more mixed up but then one of them is anonymous (which makes for easy false flags and trolls) and the other is Reddit (which by its very nature encourages circlejerks and echo chambers). Most of the people I interact with on Twitter surprisingly seem to be pretty moderate as well, but then I never followed KOP and quickly dropped Fart for their /pol/ tier shitposts and inability to do basic fucking fact checks.
There's been a bit of debate over minute things but generally speaking I think most people here are pro-GG.
[QUOTE=OvB;47197562]How many regulars here are GG/AGG? Has there ever been heated debate here or is it predominantly a concensus?[/QUOTE] It's mostly a pro-gg concensus here iirc, but we do have here and there some debates. [editline]23rd February 2015[/editline] DAMN YOU, AtomicWaffle.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;47197574]There's been a bit of debate over minute things but generally speaking I think most people here are pro-GG.[/QUOTE] I kinda wish we'd get more AGG discussion* here. Even if I disagree with them it's nice to get more points of view. *discussion NOT being inflammatory comments as we've seen in the past.
@JeanLuch761: As much as i find interesting AGG-side, it's just that as much as i see it, most of it's more visible people are delusional as the PETA association. I'd love to see more discussion on it tho.
[QUOTE=OvB;47197562]How many regulars here are GG/AGG? Has there ever been heated debate here or is it predominantly a concensus?[/QUOTE] <= Pro GG'er I'd say the overall majority of this thread is at least Neutral to Pro. Most discussions with Anti-GG'ers are civil. The only time when it usually degrades is when someone posts something that is a blatant lie as truth or when they start acting like an ass. For example: [quote=xxncxx]I don't need to when I've already brought up all the points I need to in previous posts. All posts after that were pretty much just "b-b-b-but the MEN" or "blah blah blah SJW!!!11 blah blah blah SARKEESIAN!"[/quote] I would really hesitate from calling this thread a hugbox because things posted here are regularly scrutinized by other users.
Most of the debates are amongst pro-gg users anyway. There really aren't many anti-gg users who come in here who aren't just trying to shitpost. They need to understand something: you may get a lot of people arguing against you if you post, but if you're right then you are right. You're going to get vetted hard, but if you're right the people here will actually accept that. But if you fail the vetting, you're not going to be looked on kindly. And if your immediate response is to get your back up and defensive instead of trying to prove your case, you've failed the vetting. So if you've got a legitimate point, just stand your ground, your case will shine through. No one will have a problem with that.
[QUOTE=OvB;47197562]How many regulars here are GG/AGG? Has there ever been heated debate here or is it predominantly a concensus?[/QUOTE] Its mainly Pro-GG as the people against Gamergate and the previous Quinnspiricacy were people like Max, they just shit posted and used tumblrite tier insults to deflect a lot of arguments.
[QUOTE=Swilly;47197660]Its mainly Pro-GG as the people against Gamergate and the previous Quinnspiricacy were people like Max, they just shit posted and used tumblrite tier insults to deflect a lot of arguments.[/QUOTE] I'd still like to know how Max ended up as moderator. He really moderated with his personal opinion instead of using common sense.
A lot of the "AGG" people here and elsewhere seem to be persistently willfully ignorant just to feel superior to us "nerds" anyway [QUOTE=kilerabv;47197079]Im seeing a bunch of morons who dont know the difference between trade and migration. Aparently the mongols invading is the best excuse to have asians in Europe aswell. I should stop reading, my head hurts.[/QUOTE] Interesting fact, there's actually a Buddhist nation of Mongolic descent in Europe [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmykia[/URL]
I'm pro-gamer ,both sides have valid issues I just find one side addresses them in a way that doesn't scapegoat an entire subculture to push a narrative or rake in money over contreversy It also doesn't help I was the Target of a SJW hate campaign over critcising someone's sewing on tumble.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;47197625]Most of the debates are amongst pro-gg users anyway. There really aren't many anti-gg users who come in here who aren't just trying to shitpost. They need to understand something: you may get a lot of people arguing against you if you post, but if you're right then you are right. You're going to get vetted hard, but if you're right the people here will actually accept that. But if you fail the vetting, you're not going to be looked on kindly. And if your immediate response is to get your back up and defensive instead of trying to prove your case, you've failed the vetting. So if you've got a legitimate point, just stand your ground, your case will shine through. No one will have a problem with that.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you (Zedacon) already know but for OvB, the vetting process you see in this thread isn't unique to us. You'll get that anywhere on FP.
[QUOTE=Van-man;47197681]I'd still like to know how Max ended up as moderator. He really moderated with his personal opinion instead of using common sense.[/QUOTE] Employed for modeling and animation, not for social skills or admiration.
[QUOTE=Van-man;47197681]I'd still like to know how Max ended up as moderator. He really moderated with his personal opinion instead of using common sense.[/QUOTE] He actually did work for Facepunch Studios. I believe he was a 3D modeler/animator or something.
Yeah, the "we'll make you a mod not because you're worthy of being a mod but because you already work for us" unsurprisingly turns out not to be really that good.
Putting together other posts : Overwhelmingly pro-gg on this particular thread, as stated before most anti-gg people who post here almost always start with a shitpost (apart from that Turkey guy a few pages back,) and usually stain themselves instantly and argue in an unorthodox way. It's like an idiosyncrasy that they all have. In other threads however I have been able to attempt discussion with anti-gg (neutral???) people, including milkandcooki and somebody else. However in those arguments they never actually directly responded to me. Otherwise, this thread usually has the same ideals, as with the facepunch consensus a 70% of surveyed members are pro or leaning towards gg. We argue more with each other then anti-gg people. [editline]a[/editline] Otherwise, in this thread it's highly suggested to go read the againstgamergate subreddit if you want to argue or know what others are thinking, because if we censored or suggested not to read others moderate opinion we would be hypocrites. [URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstGamerGate[/URL] A LOT of their arguments are arguable, be warned. So try to convince them there, they actually care about others opinion and don't give a shit about who's side your on - they just want to know what you think and why.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47197401]he posted this last night: [url]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/569726880288342016[/url] then they reacted really strange and defensive at him due to it: [url]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/569737125509201920[/url] Reimu adds to it: [url]https://twitter.com/SdoctmdPlays/status/569741851474980864[/url] no super hard evidence, but the way they act is weird ever since this was unveiled[/QUOTE] It's so annoying if people relay others' Internet behaviour without supplying sources. I archived [URL="https://archive.today/SAbHs"]their[/URL] [URL="https://archive.today/UWtj6"]timelines[/URL], but I'm not going to wade through that garbage myself.
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