• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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I probably don't need to set up another Alert for this since every single article about it will mention GG, but anyway: The Schafer articles seem to be starting. [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/gamergate-developer-tim-schafer-provokes-rage-with-joke-about-online-gaming-activists-at-industry-awards-10089124.html]GamerGate: developer Tim Schafer provokes rage with joke about online gaming activists at industry awards[/url] ([URL="https://twitter.com/oliverbcampbell/status/573555640653639680"]via[/URL])
I was playing bloodlines when this happened: [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/NGdzJ5.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Tamschi;47264462]I probably don't need to set up another Alert for this since every single article about it will mention GG, but anyway: The Schafer articles seem to be starting. [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/gamergate-developer-tim-schafer-provokes-rage-with-joke-about-online-gaming-activists-at-industry-awards-10089124.html]GamerGate: developer Tim Schafer provokes rage with joke about online gaming activists at industry awards[/url] ([URL="https://twitter.com/oliverbcampbell/status/573555640653639680"]via[/URL])[/QUOTE] [quote]The sock replies: “Fifty. One to do the modeling, one to do the materials, and forty-eight to tweet that it’s not your shield.”[/quote] Even the jokes are retconned.
[QUOTE=Van-man;47264365]He's dead afaik[/QUOTE] Since no one has said anything yet, he is still alive.
[QUOTE=Thlis;47264457]You know how Mark Kern has been trying to get everyone to be reasonable? Politely asking journalists to review their ethical standards? Congratulations to Tim Schafer, he just broke Mark Kern's compassion. [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/zKTqzDG.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/agQB3Dm.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/Bd58nrC.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47261561]Between agg lurching towards backstabbing Wu and Tim managing to piss everyone but the devout off, this's been a great week for gamergate already.[/QUOTE] I'm glad Mark has realized you can't reason with the cult of personality. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fXbi3PO.png[/IMG] Meanwhile, on the Gamergate talk page on RW, the old bong jockey confirms that some editors are pushing personal agendas and Ryulong defends his novel. [editline]5th March 2015[/editline] More from Mark's twitter. Anti-gg, of course, are beyond ridiculous in responses. [QUOTE]The big pubs are already shifting towards streamers and youtube. It just takes awhile to move a big ship.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573329234573193216[/url] [QUOTE]When the rubber hits the road,literally nobody cares about what is said at GDC unless it's going to make a better selling game,[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573318424694292480[/url] Mark went into high gear overnight: [QUOTE]Calling one side "internalized" is taking away their vote and their voice based on their political view. That is not free speech.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573440932856537088[/url] [QUOTE]So you know that Tim's comment was carefully planned, engineered and premeditated. Hence the prepared sock. Its designed to relight the fire[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573450719027548160[/url] [QUOTE]It seems GG has solved AI. All these sockpuppets sure pass the Turing Test with flying colours.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573458228178128896[/url] [QUOTE]@JHLillevik I am for peace and civil discourse. What Tim did was mean, pre-planned and thinly veiled hate.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573531551809458176[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XvHBPER.png[/IMG] [URL="https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573452651288903680"]This shitlord arguing with Mark is something to see, too.[/URL] And Mark cashes out, having seen all there is that needs to be seen: [QUOTE]I'm just going to speak for myself when I say I was really disappointed at Tim's poor taste and judgement in planning that puppet gag.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573548879171297280[/url] [QUOTE]Well, I think I'm done with politics. I'm going to focus on why our hobby is great and making great games. Y'all can join me if you wish.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573551748620517376[/url] [QUOTE]So, I've said what I came to say. Its too distracting from doing something positive, like making games and celebrating gaming.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/573555248540725248[/url] [editline]5th March 2015[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sTFm7uc.png[/IMG] More discontent with Ryulong. Boy seriously needs to get a blog, because I give him about 3 months before he gets his ass kicked off of RW for being so obsessive. They've done it before; one guy was almost OCD in pushing his retarded cold fusion theories onto RW after being banned from WP for the same thing, and he wore out his welcome soon enough.
It would appear things are picking up momentum again now gamers,acedemics,consumer advocates,developers,and social justice advocates are starting to get pissed off by the media,slacktivists,and Social Justice Warriors.
For those Earthworm Jim fans out there [url]https://twitter.com/TenNapel/status/573496179494940673[/url]
[QUOTE=Cliff2;47264976]For those Earthworm Jim fans out there [URL]https://twitter.com/TenNapel/status/573496179494940673[/URL][/QUOTE] It appears GDC has done the work for us. Tim Shafer was a total racist and sexist up there, and didn't even bother to remember that this was a rewards show celebrating games. It appears that more developers are starting to speak up. Also, this had a much bigger impact then I expected - A couple of people I talked too either A) Didn't want to talk about it (3) B) Were [I]very[/I] angry at Tim (3) or C) Said they weren't even anti-gg anymore (1) Really didn't expect this, I guess Tim really fucked up bad. I really wish I didn't hate him - I don't want too, but after this display I will never buy another game of his again - not even psychonauts 2. P.S a gift from RunningWithScissors: [URL="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Vvi0gWEAAfOGJ.jpg:large"]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Vvi0gWEAAfOGJ.jpg[/URL] [editline]a[/editline] Additional outrage : From Adrian Chmieralrz (Developer of Vanishing of Ethan Carter) [quote]Having said that, GG jokes were often weak and you could feel the room not being too excited about them either. I think that Tim wanted to be not too controversial and the jokes lost their edge. A perfect example of what happens when you self-censor yourself. I find the whole thing deeply ironic. Second, the only moment when I was really pissed off myself was the bullshit about "women pushed out of their homes and the industry". I do not remember exactly what was all about as I was considering ragequitting the ceremony at this point. To add insult to injury, this got standing ovation. Not from everybody but still. I found the whole thing pathetic. Obviously not because I do not care about harrassment etc. - as every sane human being, I do. But it was a clearly one sided nod to the professional victims, a nod from those whose lies contribute to why some women might not want to join this industry. I felt like watching bullies accompanied by the betanodders and the uninformed visiting that nerd in the hospital that "unidentified someone" beat up. Hypocrisy and propaganda going over 9000 so fast it's visibly distorting time and space.[/quote] [url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sl2bm9[/url] Daniel Vavra, Kingdom Come [quote]My sock puppet just told me joke: "How many Kickstarters, millions and years [URL="https://twitter.com/TimOfLegend"]@TimOfLegend[/URL] needs to make one 2d adventure? All of them!" ROFL[/quote] [url]https://twitter.com/DanielVavra/status/573495412079853568[/url] Oliver Campbell : [quote][URL="http://i.imgur.com/w6U45Nw.png"]"You're a racist, bigoted fucking idiot. Shut up and try actually SHIPPING your fucking kickstarted game, you hack."[/URL][/quote]
So the last few pages are if i presume correctly, a beginning to an end to this? Still tho, i really can't see how Schafer could fuck this up more. But who knows, he might.
Tim Schafer cocking up his little on-stage mockery session so horribly that it makes everyone hate him and AGG by extension is likely the best and most entertaining product he's put out since Psychonauts.
Schafer literally took a baseball bat and hit a bee hive two feet from his face. Now EVERYONE I know hates him and they didn't even know what GG was before. This is fucking hilarious.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;47265089]Schafer literally took a baseball bat and hit a bee hive two feet from his face. Now EVERYONE I know hates him and they didn't even know what GG was before. This is fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE] I was watching the ceremony with friends thinking it wasn't going to be about GG, even though we were going to make fun of it anyways, none of them cared or bother with GG, so when Tim Shafer shows up and starts talking shit, one of my friends who [I]loves[/I] Doublefine and Psychonauts especially, he was like "Who is this fucking retard?" and I told him. I swear I could hear his heart break from the microphone, he acted all mopey the rest of the show (I had to leave a bit early.) Anyways, long story short, he hates Tim Shafer now and is more interested in GG. He couldn't believe how racist and sexist he was. [editline]5th March 2015[/editline] Like I am not even sure if that was a political rally or an awards show, seriously. [editline]5th March 2015[/editline] And I was about to post before the show "I think everything is starting to calm down now..." nope, glad I didn't post that.
I guess there was only a question of time before some of the notable antis would do something [i]so[/i] stupid, and [i]so[/i] public that there was no redemption or possibility to back track. Didn't quite expect it to be Schaefer. Awful behaviour from someone who is supposed and expected to be an proffesional.
[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;47265057]So the last few pages are if i presume correctly, a beginning to an end to this? Still tho, i really can't see how Schafer could fuck this up more. But who knows, he might.[/QUOTE] We are nowhere near the end of this. If anything, I would say that if you start seeing news articles shaming Tim for it, AGG is going to shift gears and push harder to try and get rid of the public black eye he just gave them.
[QUOTE=Svinpels;47265204]I guess there was only a question of time before some of the notable antis would do something [I]so[/I] stupid, and [I]so[/I] public that there was no redemption or possibility to back track. Didn't quite expect it to be Schaefer. Awful behaviour from someone who is supposed and expected to be an proffesional.[/QUOTE] I'm not surprised it was Shamefer who did it, the guy is a hack and a has-been. He's an egotistical asshole who can barely keep his projects together and refuses to accept responsibility for his actions and instead passes that blame on to everyone else. He's washed up and at GDC he stood up there looking like an off-the-wagon alcoholic still trying to pretend he's sober.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;47265235]I'm not surprised it was Shamefer who did it, the guy is a hack and a has-been. He's an egotistical asshole who can barely keep his projects together and refuses to accept responsibility for his actions and instead passes that blame on to everyone else. He's washed up and at GDC he stood up there looking like an off-the-wagon alcoholic still trying to pretend he's sober.[/QUOTE] Good point. Haven't paid much attention to him prior to his involvement in GG as I lost interest after Stacking and Costume quest. I've seen complaints about his recent games here and there, but never imagined he'd be [i]that[/i] stupid.
You guys won't be surprised to learn that Ryulong's been in RW's Gamergate article repeatedly since the show; not a [I]-peep-[/I] about Timmy's Puppet Show. Tim has done more damage to anti-gg in three hours than gamergate was able to do in a month. [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47265221]We are nowhere near the end of this. If anything, I would say that if you start seeing news articles shaming Tim for it, AGG is going to shift gears and push harder to try and get rid of the public black eye he just gave them.[/QUOTE] This is a turning point; even if the media doesn't turn on Tim, his performance ticked all the right boxes for a collective foot-shooting by anti-gg: - Too blatant to creatively reinterpret (I've already seen sad attempts--they filter down to "but it was a JOOOOKE, take a joke" which is a whole other level of hypocrisy) - Too offensive to excuse - Too public to cover up - Too out-of-place for the context to come off as anything but partisan bullshit - Well below the behaviour expected from someone of Tim's career and current position Any developers who were on the fence about which side of Gamergate is about whitewashing harrassment and the papering-over of minorities have a glowing example of what anti-gg really has become: Privileged white people bullying what is ostensibly their primary market while erasing minorities from the discussion as much as possible because it conflicts with the narrative.
[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;47263096]Snake, can we talk about how you come in and say all this shit, then leave and ignore everyone responding until you have something completely different to hit the thread with?[/QUOTE] Maybe the reason why he comes up with something completely different is because he knows he is wrong and is searching for a new reason he needs addressed before he can agree with GG's arguments. I feel like if he made a post saying, "well I was wrong on that regard but I am still not convinced that the movement is justified" it would not add anything new to the discussion. I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt about not responding because admitting that you are wrong is hard, and everyone should feel safe voicing their opinions since discussion is good. No reason to continue to push it if he stops. If he brings up a point that is unfounded and can't be further argued, then so be it; he isn't arguing it anymore if he stops posting about it. The only problem would be if he comes back to the same arguments he made earlier that he did not dispute and continues to believe them. As far as I have seen he hasn't done this.
[QUOTE=Cliff2;47264976]For those Earthworm Jim fans out there [url]https://twitter.com/TenNapel/status/573496179494940673[/url][/QUOTE] This doesn't surprise me considering some of the racy things TenNapel has said in the past, and the SJW's reactions to them. IIRC they tried to sabotage Armikrog's kickstarter because of TenNapel's opinions on gay marriage and the like.
Someone should try just adding what Tim Schafer said. Don't even try and poke Ryulong by saying anything about what people thought of it- literally just insert the comment that he made. See how Ryulong justifies frantically trying to delete it.
To think AGGs were so hyped about GDC, handing out their little SJW tags, "celebrating diversity" by hanging LGBBQ-friendly signs on bathroom doors, talking so much of safe spaces and inclusiveness, having some of their big supporters on the podium, ready to rant about the evils of Gamergate... You could feel they were all like "yeah, this will finally show those pesky gators". Then it fucking [I]happened[/I].
I want to get off mister GamerGate's wild ride. But seriosly this week has been amazing.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47265137] And I was about to post before the show "I think everything is starting to calm down now..." nope, glad I didn't post that.[/QUOTE] But this is what pisses me off the most about the whole deal. Things [I]were[/I] starting to calm down, but then he has to go and leak gasoline all over the place. He honestly could not have picked a worse time to come out with this "joke". I haven't watched it, and I won't, because I don't think he should be stirring shit up when there's plenty of shit to talk about him(Spacebase DF-9, Hack n' Slash, Kotick quotes, DFA). He should have stopped talking and focus on the games he's working on if he wanted any chance to redeem himself, but after this feat of idiocy I don't see him recovering.
[QUOTE=kilerabv;47265895]I want to get off mister GamerGate's wild ride.[/QUOTE] [img]https://iamsrazash.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/trne.gif[/img] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Image macro" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;47265761]To think AGGs were so hyped about GDC, handing out their little SJW tags, "celebrating diversity" by hanging LGBBQ-friendly signs on bathroom doors, talking so much of safe spaces and inclusiveness, having some of their big supporters on the podium, ready to rant about the evils of Gamergate... You could feel they were all like "yeah, this will finally show those pesky gators". Then it fucking [I]happened[/I].[/QUOTE] His "comedy performance" is just as disappointing as his recent games. Atleast he's consistent again I guess.
[QUOTE=kilerabv;47265895]I want to get off mister GamerGate's wild ride. But seriosly this week has been amazing.[/QUOTE] It's like it just gets crazier and more difficult to pull your eyes from the longer it goes on. I'm not even really angry about anything anymore I'm just amused. I'm getting more and more reminded of that old Perry Bible Fellowship comic with every new event. [img]http://www.pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF020-Skub.gif[/img]
Now I want to see "GO HOME GAMER GIRL" with Tim Schafer's Face.
Some guy on my twitter I regret following but cant unfollow because he goes apeshit on people who do (he owes me something) just tweeted about this. anyone seen it yet? -snip- nvmd deleted already
It's deleted.
[QUOTE=Xonax;47266062]It's deleted.[/QUOTE] yeah that was quick and I don't have a screencap. basically people jumping on googlecloud for using the #gamergate hashtag on this picture [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20218574/B_XjekHWQAAiwHk.png[/t]
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