• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[QUOTE=Xenomoose;47273444]Well, to be honest, until this whole thing I never knew 3rd wave feminism was a thing, so I still don't really know the 3rd wave "hierarchy", so to speak. Still, she's got a large presence in the right circles and a lot of support from people both inside and out of the gaming industry. If she goes down, all of their credibility will become suspect. The point is, whatever happens with her, the after-effects won't just be limited to the gaming industry.[/QUOTE] Yeah they will because no one cares about her outside the gaming industry.
[QUOTE=Banned?;47273542]Yeah they will because no one cares about her outside the gaming industry.[/QUOTE] You do remember that there are people with no connection to the gaming industry whatsoever who support her, right? From the big-names like Joss Whedon (who's pretty much her biggest fanboy) to fellow net-based feminists like Jessica Valenti and Rebecca Watson, she has connections and supporters from all walks of life. They've thrown their lot in with her, they whole-heartedly believe the lies she spouts, and they are going to get burned hard if she gets revealed for the fraud she is.
whose chris warcraft, he made a comparison in his own reality that GG is a cult like Scientology, that's hilarious.
[QUOTE=Ithon;47274178]whose chris warcraft, he made a comparison in his own reality that GG is a cult like Scientology, that's hilarious.[/QUOTE] ex-NFL player who thinks he has relevance
The strangest thing happened to me yesterday, apparently a Nintendo producer favorited a tweet of mine which a joke about SVU #Gamergate episode. Nintendo might be pro-GG.
[QUOTE=Ithon;47274178]whose chris warcraft, he made a comparison in his own reality that GG is a cult like Scientology, that's hilarious.[/QUOTE] i'd actually like to see his reasoning behind that because i'm seeing nothing. funilly enough hardcore agg are far more like Scientology, from the "exclude nonbelievers" and "pay money to be a better person" to the fact that the "leaders" are frauds looking to get rich exploiting peoples' belief in them.
I think a large problem with current Social Justice is this victim-harasser complex that a lot of people who believe in SJ have. I don't mean to generalize, of course, though I assume most of you understand. After actually looking into some of the concepts being spewed left and right by AGG, I've become a lot more aware of SJ issues on a much larger scale, practically throughout our entire societal structure. There is engrained sexism, racism and general ignorance in our culture, all cultures, it's just difficult to pinpoint, let alone properly eradicate. On the flipside, there are also plenty of rational individuals as well, as most of us here are. Come to think of it, I kind of pity the AGG crowd. A lot of them probably believe they're actually fighting the good fight. They lack the perception to see that most of GG are moderates who likely share a lot of the same views when it comes to the rights of people. Unfortunately, they're being taken advantage of in order to further someone's agenda, in this case VG media. They've tasted the succulent fruit that is control and money and they do not want to give it up. Clearly, as they're willing to manipulate the truth in order to remain in "power". One thing I'll always be grateful for when it comes to GG is how aware of actual societal problems it has made me. I may not be able to call inherent sexism as soon as I see it, nor can I recall any specific instances of it occuring, but I do know that I have witnessed it, in the gaming community and in society at large. Not just towards women, but men as well. When Anita said that toxic masculinity and homicidal rampages were connected, I honestly think she has a point, though it's far more nebulous an issue than can be summarized in a few tweets. I think this specific example involves many different societal structures and the places people fall into within them. However, Anita's tweets on this issue read as though they were anti-masculinity, going back to my orginal victim-harasser point, hence the backlash for it. As soon as you identify anything as bad, people are naturally going to want to get rid of it. In this case, the bad thing is identified as men in general, as opposed to the societal constructs that lead men to act this way. This leads to conflict between those who believe men are to blame and those who don't. This is a fundamental problem, and no true progress toward equality will be made until all parties involved can lay down their pitchforks and properly communicate, constructively criticize, and build upon existing foundations of knowledge rather than tearing down strawmen. The most unfortunate part of this entire situation is that the disarray is entirely on purpose, simply to make money. It amazes me how far people are willing to go to satisfy their materialistic needs. This is the human race we're talking about tho so pitchforks it is
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47274321]i'd actually like to see his reasoning behind that because i'm seeing nothing. funilly enough hardcore agg are far more like Scientology, from the "exclude nonbelievers" and "pay money to be a better person" to the fact that the "leaders" are frauds looking to get rich exploiting peoples' belief in them.[/QUOTE] I'm lazy [url]http://www.8ch.net/gamergate/res/447864.html#448022[/url]
[QUOTE=Ithon;47274404]I'm lazy [url]http://www.8ch.net/gamergate/res/447864.html#448022[/url][/QUOTE] found it in the thread and lmao. i know its e-celeb shit but these comparisons [t]http://i.imgur.com/3fV8ogy.png[/t] dunno about you guys but i believe in vivian james being real
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47274426]found it in the thread and lmao. i know its e-celeb shit but these comparisons [t]http://i.imgur.com/3fV8ogy.png[/t] dunno about you guys but i believe in vivian james being real[/QUOTE] He should stop saying shit to waifus, baka gaijin amerisplaining to my feelz.
Chris is hilarious because he talks about GG being huge bullies and then goes [url=https://archive.today/UfCGf]and writes his own "gamers are dead" article[/url] which is possibly the most aggressive and bullying one of them all. He just sounds like this big fucking jock yelling at the nerds, which he is.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47274426]found it in the thread and lmao. i know its e-celeb shit but these comparisons [t]http://i.imgur.com/3fV8ogy.png[/t] dunno about you guys but i believe in vivian james being real[/QUOTE] I brought it up because it's crazy, I know a little about cults, and because we noticed similarities with them and pointing things about people accusing us of stuff get's flung back at us like a I'm rubber your glue and it's crazy enough to happen therefore it's good to give a possible heads up.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47274426]found it in the thread and lmao. i know its e-celeb shit but these comparisons [t]http://i.imgur.com/3fV8ogy.png[/t] dunno about you guys but i believe in vivian james being real[/QUOTE] Uhhh, I hate to do the same thing he's doing, but... Some anti-GG have recently been acting like the events in that SVU episode actually happened. Do I even need to talk about the money one? Being violently attacked for daring to question it is the reason why GamerGate is such a big thing in the first place. No insane actors for frontmen, but certainly some interesting characters. And people who've dared to show any signs of neutrality- including [I]Brianna Wu herself when she got coffee with a GG person[/I]- get attacked. Not to mention that the AGG side is far, far larger in terms of society at large, whereas GG is a few thousand gamers and developers, plus a few extra people.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47273438]So you're not saying "less emotional". You're saying "Not about the issues". In order for a discussion to happen, people have to disagree, exchange information, and value ideas based on their merits, or else it's literally idle chit chat. I'm not emotional when I deconstruct an argument or something someone says. You want us to meet people who come from an echo chamber with "hello, welcome to a new place that will be an echo chamber for you just like the last place". You want people to genuinely be disingenuous, not kind or polite, but lie and not talk about things from their honest point of view. honestly, I don't think you're helping by adding these needless limits to conversations that hinder them by their very nature.[/QUOTE] Well that isn't what I am saying at all, but I digress. I've just been repeating what I said 4 pages ago in different words essentially. The fact of matter is people want different things when a AGGer posts here, and people won't have the same patience or expectations. Like I said though, people wanted AGG and they got exactly that.
[QUOTE=blerb;47274336]I think a large problem with current Social Justice is this victim-harasser complex that a lot of people who believe in SJ have. I don't mean to generalize, of course, though I assume most of you understand. After actually looking into some of the concepts being spewed left and right by AGG, I've become a lot more aware of SJ issues on a much larger scale, practically throughout our entire societal structure. There is engrained sexism, racism and general ignorance in our culture, all cultures, it's just difficult to pinpoint, let alone properly eradicate. On the flipside, there are also plenty of rational individuals as well, as most of us here are. Come to think of it, I kind of pity the AGG crowd. A lot of them probably believe they're actually fighting the good fight. They lack the perception to see that most of GG are moderates who likely share a lot of the same views when it comes to the rights of people. Unfortunately, they're being taken advantage of in order to further someone's agenda, in this case VG media. They've tasted the succulent fruit that is control and money and they do not want to give it up. Clearly, as they're willing to manipulate the truth in order to remain in "power". One thing I'll always be grateful for when it comes to GG is how aware of actual societal problems it has made me. I may not be able to call inherent sexism as soon as I see it, nor can I recall any specific instances of it occuring, but I do know that I have witnessed it, in the gaming community and in society at large. Not just towards women, but men as well. When Anita said that toxic masculinity and homicidal rampages were connected, I honestly think she has a point, though it's far more nebulous an issue than can be summarized in a few tweets. I think this specific example involves many different societal structures and the places people fall into within them. However, Anita's tweets on this issue read as though they were anti-masculinity, going back to my orginal victim-harasser point, hence the backlash for it. As soon as you identify anything as bad, people are naturally going to want to get rid of it. In this case, the bad thing is identified as men in general, as opposed to the societal constructs that lead men to act this way. This leads to conflict between those who believe men are to blame and those who don't. This is a fundamental problem, and no true progress toward equality will be made until all parties involved can lay down their pitchforks and properly communicate, constructively criticize, and build upon existing foundations of knowledge rather than tearing down strawmen. The most unfortunate part of this entire situation is that the disarray is entirely on purpose, simply to make money. It amazes me how far people are willing to go to satisfy their materialistic needs. This is the human race we're talking about tho so pitchforks it is[/QUOTE] I get the feeling that the SJ people aligned with anti-GG aren't the types that actually would want to solve an issue like they should be; slowly, with parties reconciling their differences and making a compromise. Instead, they want an exciting conflict that ends with them standing triumphant over the carcass of the social ill they wanted to take out. That's not how things work at all; radicalizing to the point where you think you can defeat the bad guy and win the game all by your lonesome creates an environment where you push away many potential supporters and turn the people you're trying to help hostile towards you.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47274559][...] Not to mention that the AGG side is far, far larger in terms of society at large, whereas GG is a few thousand gamers and developers, plus a few extra people.[/QUOTE] The passive part, mostly due to superficial misinformation. In terms of active participants GG is definitely larger in every way except media representation. (Also iirc that data scientist wrote there were about 150k Twitter accounts more or less steadily using the tag.)
[QUOTE=Ziron;47274857]I get the feeling that the SJ people aligned with anti-GG aren't the types that actually would want to solve an issue like they should be; slowly, with parties reconciling their differences and making a compromise. Instead, they want an exciting conflict that ends with them standing triumphant over the carcass of the social ill they wanted to take out. That's not how things work at all; radicalizing to the point where you think you can defeat the bad guy and win the game all by your lonesome creates an environment where you push away many potential supporters and turn the people you're trying to help hostile towards you.[/QUOTE] It isn't even more likely to succeed, since the opposition will most likely defend themselves more intensely when facing aggressivity. Cornered rats fight like tigers.
[URL]http://s2b20blog.mukyou.com/the-hidden-face-of-hypocrisy-randi-harper-part-2/[/URL] Those who were asking about Chris Von Csefalvay, you may take off your tinfoil hats now
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;47275917][URL]http://s2b20blog.mukyou.com/the-hidden-face-of-hypocrisy-randi-harper-part-2/[/URL] Those who were asking about Chris Von Csefalvay, you may take off your tinfoil hats now[/QUOTE] If Harper's Anti-Harassment thing ever gets off the ground, everyone needs to start mass reporting her. Report her to CON, report her to her own thing.
More media hit pieces on GG and the gaming industry. It's like they don't understand the more they keep up the misinformation, the more they scare people away. [url]https://archive.today/DzT1N[/url]
from 2009 [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20141018020340/http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-2009-the-new-face-of-game-censorship/1100-6206796/[/url]
[QUOTE=Wii60;47276808]from 2009 [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20141018020340/http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-2009-the-new-face-of-game-censorship/1100-6206796/[/url][/QUOTE] I JUST got through reading that and was about to post it lmao!
Just a short FYI, we're doing the stream next saturday instead of today.
[video=youtube;xrqCTZxPjaM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrqCTZxPjaM[/video] :v:
This is pretty thoroughly scratching the surface as far as "What is #GamerGate?" videos go: [video=youtube;2j7HDsBjWIQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j7HDsBjWIQ[/video]
Apparently someone called chumsknifeblade on Twitter is stalking Wu at PAX. EDIT: never mind it is AGG overreacting again. Apparently seeing Wu counts as stalking now according to AGG.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47276808]from 2009 [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20141018020340/http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-2009-the-new-face-of-game-censorship/1100-6206796/[/url][/QUOTE] Damn lawyers are good at this shit. Last year I would never have predicted this, it just happened. But this guy called it years ago. And I agree with him, the SJW's now are just like the Soccer Moms from before, only from the left instead of the right. They've taken ground in the press instead of the courts, and they say "I don't like it, change it" instead of "I don't like it, ban it".
Mark Kern has made a non-union group alternative to IGF : [url]https://twitter.com/League4Gamers[/url] Hopefully it get's somewhere.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47278388]Mark Kern has made a non-union group alternative to IGF : [url]https://twitter.com/League4Gamers[/url] Hopefully it get's somewhere.[/QUOTE]If you wanted an official group to help give gamers representation, having someone with a name behind it was key. Just someone on a forum asking for a union was never going to work. But Mark Kern? That definitely has potential.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47274426]found it in the thread and lmao. i know its e-celeb shit but these comparisons [t]http://i.imgur.com/3fV8ogy.png[/t] dunno about you guys but i believe in vivian james being real[/QUOTE] Vivian is totes my gf irl
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