• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[QUOTE=Hypershadsy;46963359]There's a wonderful episode of Duckman that explores offensive humor. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKYuZUlFpFs[/media][/QUOTE] I can't unhear the pig as JC Denton
Ah Duckman, I haven't watched that show in forever.
the abc facebook post is amazing [url]https://archive.today/qgzSs[/url]
That's a hell of a pick-me-up to see so many people speaking out on such an open platform.
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46961986][video=youtube;XM-HJT8_esM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM-HJT8_esM[/video][/QUOTE] Jokes felt a bit too forced for me but that punchline at the ending is amazing.
[QUOTE=BigPalooka;46964121]I can't unhear the pig as JC Denton[/QUOTE] I had to go on imdb because I thought that was JC Denton's voice actor.
And today i learned that the guy who is the 2nd part of my fav. game magazine thinks that Gamergate is about hating women to be playing video games. I need to send him an e-mail right now so that i can hopefully clear his mind onto what gamergate actually is since the magazine is the only thing that keeps me normal right now :v:.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46962847]i like 4chan culture because it defuses the bad words to simple joke namecalling to the point where they arn't offensive anymore. on boards like 4chan, everyone is a nigger faggot (equality) this is why SJW's hate 4chan culture. it takes away the shock of those words so they can't use it to act "oppressed" and get special bonuses. due to this, im proud to call myself a transgender/tranny/trap/transvestite. words do not hurt me. actions do. As Tyrion Lannister from GoT said: "Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you."[/QUOTE] Honestly, I wish I could be as strong as you. I still live in fear of being called a tranny or a faggot, or a freak, or being attacked. I want those words to have no strength, I want them to mean nothing to me. But maybe I'm just young, and not ready to be fully confident in myself yet. I'm getting better though. Here's hoping for a world where everybody's equal and joking can be just that.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46966837]Honestly, I wish I could be as strong as you. I still live in fear of being called a tranny or a faggot, or a freak, or being attacked. I want those words to have no strength, I want them to mean nothing to me. But maybe I'm just young, and not ready to be fully confident in myself yet. I'm getting better though. Here's hoping for a world where everybody's equal and joking can be just that.[/QUOTE] You are a very good and human person. Words do hurt, and emotional abuse is a thing that should be fought, but setting up a feeling policing zone around communities in such extreme and noninclusive ways is terrible. These people are more bigoted, pressurizing, and closed minded than the people they think they are fighting.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;46967007]You are a very good and human person. Words do hurt, and emotional abuse is a thing that should be fought, but setting up a feeling policing zone around communities in such extreme and noninclusive ways is terrible. These people are more bigoted, pressurizing, and closed minded than the people they think they are fighting.[/QUOTE] Honestly I feel just as disgusted reading the tweets from these kind of people as I do reading the ones from transphobic/ racist/ all-around bigoted people. It's the same kind of vibe of 'We think some people should be treated differently from others, not because they are disadvantaged in society, but because we think the majority populations are inherently disgusting due to their position of power'. To me it just reeks of a plan with no endgame- what do you do once everybody's equal? Take it further?
Once they have cowed everything they can they will move on and try to make others bow,look at how they tried to start up metalgate .The will eye any fringe community as they wont have the support of the mainstream.
It doesn't even surprise me that a lot of these people have histories of racism and bigotry before this whole ordeal.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;46967176]It doesn't even surprise me that a lot of these people have histories of racism and bigotry before this whole ordeal.[/QUOTE] I've got the feeling that the prominent antis are projecting their own ethical wrongs on us to make themselves feel superior to us. While all they have done in the run so far is to line their own pockets instead of genuinely helping other people.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46966837]Honestly, I wish I could be as strong as you. I still live in fear of being called a tranny or a faggot, or a freak, or being attacked. I want those words to have no strength, I want them to mean nothing to me. But maybe I'm just young, and not ready to be fully confident in myself yet. I'm getting better though. Here's hoping for a world where everybody's equal and joking can be just that.[/QUOTE] yea i know people can be more emotionally sensitive towards words. its just something you train to ignore. Due to my [URL="http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality-and-emotions"]INTJ[/URL] Personality and where i live (US south can help you build a thick skin) it was easier for me to build a defense to that but i know other people (like you) can do it. Just believe in yourself, have good self esteem, find out your problems to get rid of your insecurities (if you have them), and nothing like that will ever hurt ya. i hope you reach a point where it never emotionally hurts ya.
In other news, AGG people all of a sudden talking about SWATting now that it's happened to a couple of their own. Funny how they never seemed to talk about it when it was only pro-GG people getting their lives put at stake. SWATting is disgusting, no matter whom it happens to.
words aren't just going to stop being offensive. if you take the power away from some of them then new words are gonna come up, or old ones will get a new meaning. it's unrealistic to just hope for everyone to build a thick skin or for every insult to be banalized and lose meaning
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46968228]In other news, AGG people all of a sudden talking about SWATting now that it's happened to a couple of their own. Funny how they never seemed to talk about it when it was only pro-GG people getting their lives put at stake. SWATting is disgusting, no matter whom it happens to.[/QUOTE] This group of Anti-GG people also say that SWATing is a "product of chan* culture" and that if you're neutral or Pro-GG you're at least indirectly supporting the SWATing of innocent people. I don't get their logic at all :v: . *4chan, 8chan, etc.
[QUOTE=zizzleplix;46968313]I don't get their logic at all :v: . [/QUOTE] John Cleese will break it down for you: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4[/media]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46968262]words aren't just going to stop being offensive. if you take the power away from some of them then new words are gonna come up, or old ones will get a new meaning. it's unrealistic to just hope for everyone to build a thick skin or for every insult to be banalized and lose meaning[/QUOTE] Just like it's unrealistic to hope everybody's going to watch their tongue constantly for fear of offending someone. It's a good thing to be cautious around people who might genuinely be hurt, but refraining from using those words as if they're sacred really won't help making them more tame to the general public, quite the contrary actually.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46968262]words aren't just going to stop being offensive. if you take the power away from some of them then new words are gonna come up, or old ones will get a new meaning. it's unrealistic to just hope for everyone to build a thick skin or for every insult to be banalized and lose meaning[/QUOTE] The funny thing about the euphemism treadmill is that it tends to make words that have been turned taboo even more powerful as insults. Take the word retard, before it was just a generic insult for being stupid, but now that it's become taboo, someone saying it is now one big "oh SHIT!" moment when you're basically saying someone is extremely stupid beyond belief. Thanks to efforts meant to discourage people from using retard as an insult, it's now gained far more power than it did before.
[QUOTE=_Axel;46968363]Just like it's unrealistic to hope everybody's going to watch their tongue constantly for fear of offending someone.[/QUOTE] i've never said that's what you should do...?
[QUOTE=_Axel;46968363]Just like it's unrealistic to hope everybody's going to watch their tongue constantly for fear of offending someone.[/QUOTE] Surely some sliver of reasonable discourse exists between total censorship and calling someone a retarded faggot at every possible opportunity.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46968806]Surely some sliver of reasonable discourse exists between total censorship and calling someone a retarded faggot at every possible opportunity.[/QUOTE] Well naturally you should know the people you're around before getting TOO casual. Personally, if someone got offended for something I said that was clearly not intended to offend, I'd stop hanging around with them.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46968497]i've never said that's what you should do...?[/QUOTE] I never said that's what you claimed we should do... ? [editline]20th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;46968806]Surely some sliver of reasonable discourse exists between total censorship and calling someone a retarded faggot at every possible opportunity.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's more or less what I said in the second sentence of my post. My post was more about what Ziron described than as some sort of indignation towards the concept of people being offended.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46968806]Surely some sliver of reasonable discourse exists between total censorship and calling someone a retarded faggot at every possible opportunity.[/QUOTE] In the end you always have to rely on the people for it. Here on FP, we rely on moderators to make the call, but they're fallible and make stupid bans all the time. some are borderline censorship but usually its not so bad here. But again, its good we have at least one place like 8chan where don't have to worry about censorship and nobody takes insults seriously because of the anonymity. If you wanna talk really long term, IMO the best way to improve overall discussion is to target the participants directly, in other words better education and general societal improvements. You can't just expect people to make proper arguments and not call their opposition retarded faggots if they dont understand why it's stupid to do so.
[QUOTE=BigPalooka;46968893]Well naturally you should know the people you're around before getting TOO casual. Personally, if someone got offended for something I said that was clearly not intended to offend, I'd stop hanging around with them.[/QUOTE] Sure, this might work in your casual life. I never understood why people hold this attitude but it's your prerogative to associate with the people you want to associate with and there is nothing I can do about it. What I do wonder is how far your staunch views on language would get you in the professional world, when you are representing a company as an employee or setting the example as a manager or supervisor. [QUOTE=_Axel;46968919]I never said that's what you claimed we should do... ?[/QUOTE] Easy to mistake it like that when you directly quote someone before making the post, just saying. [QUOTE=_Axel;46968919]No shit, that's literally what I said in the second sentence of my post. My post was more about what Ziron described than as some sort of indignation towards the concept of people being offended.[/QUOTE] Yes I read your entire post. You do mention that it's fine to be cautious around people who might be "genuinely hurt" by the language we use but immediately walk it back by saying we shouldn't refrain from using those words. It seems like you are establishing a grey area ethically, trying to have your cake and eat it too as it were. You want to maintain the moral high ground by establishing some vague level of "genuine hurt" while at the same time allowing circumstances to use hurtful language to describe people who are hurt somehow disingenuously by the things you say. Call me naive, but if someone has a problem with the words I use in a conversation with them I generally take their criticism to heart, and would rather deal with people amicably than set up walls, even if that means not being able say a few words from the massive lexicon of English at my disposal.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46968228]In other news, AGG people all of a sudden talking about SWATting now that it's happened to a couple of their own. Funny how they never seemed to talk about it when it was only pro-GG people getting their lives put at stake. SWATting is disgusting, no matter whom it happens to.[/QUOTE] My mother who is not a gamer by any means but vehemently feminist and strongly anti gamer gate was explaining that swatting was only done to gamergate opposers there's no denying it's happened but its been done to both sides, didn't kingofpol get it? It's an awful prank to pull seriously
the founder of /r/gamerghazi has a IMGUR account made in march 2014. some of the things found [url]http://imgur.com/a/ZyApu[/url]
Probably been posted already but the like/dislike bar on the ABC smear job is amazing [t]http://i.imgur.com/18tAMJ2.png[/t] If anything is indicative of Gamergate being successful it's that overwhelming numbers of people disagree with the corporate media line.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46969057]Easy to mistake it like that when you directly quote someone before making the post, just saying.[/QUOTE] Sorry, that was meant to be expanding on his post, I see how that could be unclear. [QUOTE]Yes I read your entire post. You do mention that it's fine to be cautious around people who might be "genuinely hurt" by the language we use but immediately walk it back by saying we shouldn't refrain from using those words.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Refraining from using those words as if they're sacred[/QUOTE] As in, making certain words taboo (which is not the same thing as being cautious about the context when employing them) runs the risk of making those words more shocking and thus more hurtful. [QUOTE]It seems like you are establishing a grey area ethically, trying to have your cake and eat it too as it were. You want to maintain the moral high ground by establishing some vague level of "genuine hurt" while at the same time allowing circumstances to use hurtful language to describe people who are hurt somehow disingenuously by the things you say.[/QUOTE] Then what do you propose? From your last post I gather you're not in support of banning those words from our lexicon? From then on how should we gauge what attitude to adopt other than by analyzing the context and use your best judgement? What you see as establishing a grey ethical area is nothing more than taking into account the complexity present in a real situation. I'd take such a thing over black and white absolute morals any day.
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