• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJbM878tO0&t=1m30s[/URL] Well.. I was looking for an excuse to unsubscribe anyways, they were really getting stale. Also, since it's suzy who said it first the comments say that people only don't like grumps now because she opened her mouth!! fuck off [editline]a[/editline] I'll admit I got interested and looked at some youtubers comments, went a bit deeper and looked at their profiles. This one guy who wrote this huge thing about how it's a massive hate movement - Subscribed only to gamegrumps and Totalbiscut. Shit, if any more of my favorite YouTube pack up and leave, I will never stop until my name, and everybody elses name is cleared. People don't deserve this - specially on non-political entertainment channels. I really - really - despise when anybody calls out any group on a show they are supposed to be making people laugh at, just to tell people that they seriously hate them. It's horrible.
i honestly didn't know that game grumps was still around, it died to me at least when jontron left
jantran is the yang to egoraptors yin once seperated it is horrible (except for jamtram)
Eh, I like Danny. He's pretty cool, and he kinda reminds me of one of my friends. If Game Grumps had become JonTron and Danny instead of Arin and Danny it would have been so much better.
You know whats disappointing? Going to Anita's twitter or something else like that and seeing cool people you follow following them. I know some of them are doing it just to see the bullshit they spew, but I know for a fact that some of them agree, they just don't talk about it much.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;46998357]You know whats disappointing? Going to Anita's twitter or something else like that and seeing cool people you follow following them. I know some of them are doing it just to see the bullshit they spew, but I know for a fact that some of them agree, they just don't talk about it much.[/QUOTE] Sounds like Tim Schafer with the photos of him with Anita & showing up ABC's smearpiece Wonder if anyone still likes him now :v:
[QUOTE=Ayane-152;46998380]Sounds like Tim Schafer with the photos of him with Anita & showing up ABC's smearpiece Wonder if anyone still likes him now :v:[/QUOTE]Along with his GamerGate comments and his handling of Broken Age and DF-9, he has lost a large portion of his support.
Let the records show being a dick makes you unlikable,AG doesnt seem to grasp that concept. also AG for antigamers and pg for progamers based on the discussion on what to call the other side a while back I like it it fits,
[QUOTE=JesseR92;46998486]Let the records show being a dick makes you unlikable,AG doesnt seem to grasp that concept. also AG for antigamers and pg for progamers based on the discussion on what to call the other side a while back I like it it fits,[/QUOTE] or just gamers.
I tried the union thing on reddit again - they really aren't up for it. How can I convince them that it's not harmful to try or a "bad thing?" It's very difficult to even attempt some organization - but I want to do something I am good at, not sit around discussing this all day arguing with people who probably won't listen anyways - I find evidence of wrongdoing yet I know nobody will take it seriously. I feel a union is the best way to get it through, but how to get support for it? I just left the thread to die until I can get a more solid plan. There MUST be a way.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46998230][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJbM878tO0&t=1m30s[/URL] Also, since it's suzy who said it first the comments say that people only don't like grumps now because she opened her mouth!! fuck off [/QUOTE] Suzy it objectively the worst part of GG. IIRC JonTron's gf hinted while drunk in some chat that the reason that Jon left had something to do with Suzy. But even ignoring all that (as it will always stay as a rumor), I have never met anyone that likes Suzy.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46998583]I tried the union thing on reddit again - they really aren't up for it. How can I convince them that it's not harmful to try or a "bad thing?" It's very difficult to even attempt some organization - but I want to do something I am good at, not sit around discussing this all day arguing with people who probably won't listen anyways - I find evidence of wrongdoing yet I know nobody will take it seriously. I feel a union is the best way to get it through, but how to get support for it?[/QUOTE] need an organization that can foster further development, can make a union out of the blue. It's probably one of the things on the CON's list, a union that's used to push an ideal while bully people and get away with it. Have you ever heard of a terrorist group that's a union? The solution and it doesn't matter if people have a fit in disbelief is that people of stature go into the public and make counter arguments, press releases, protesting, being apart of an orginzation, ect. You can't because of X or Y or Z, death threats only go so far and taking advantage of the police you call them first, talk to your boss first and don't tell your superior you'll bend your ass over to people trying to screw you. You're dealing with people so corrupt that they'll make people that disagree with them out to be the worst people ever. You don't have to lead groups that want to be leaderless, you just have to lead with authority and not give a fuck to people saying your courage is not courage but a death wish. And no, this doesn't make you and extremist.
we need one more... [img]http://i.imgur.com/J83GtFM.png[/img]
[QUOTE=DuCT;46998634]Suzy it objectively the worst part of GG. IIRC JonTron's gf hinted while drunk in some chat that the reason that Jon left had something to do with Suzy. But even ignoring all that (as it will always stay as a rumor), I have never met anyone that likes Suzy.[/QUOTE] Suzy is the biggest pile of shit ever. Once they brought her in for games, everything turned to shit, which happened to be around the time Jon left.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46998802]we need one more... [img]http://i.imgur.com/J83GtFM.png[/img][/QUOTE]It is not many's first choice, so those votes do not count at this time. Topic ban has already passed. With an abstention, his banning technically already has enough votes to pass, but because they allow hierarchical voting, the ones that aren't a first choice don't matter as much.
[QUOTE=Ithon;46998743]need an organization that can foster further development, can make a union out of the blue. It's probably one of the things on the CON's list, a union that's used to push an ideal while bully people and get away with it. Have you ever heard of a terrorist group that's a union? The solution and it doesn't matter if people have a fit in disbelief is that people of stature go into the public and make counter arguments, press releases, protesting, being apart of an orginzation, ect. You can't because of X or Y or Z, death threats only go so far and taking advantage of the police you call them first, talk to your boss first and don't tell your superior you'll bend your ass over to people trying to screw you. You're dealing with people so corrupt that they'll make people that disagree with them out to be the worst people ever. You don't have to lead groups that want to be leaderless, you just have to lead with authority and not give a fuck to people saying your courage is not courage but a death wish. And no, this doesn't make you and extremist.[/QUOTE] Okay seriously am I the only one who can't read what this guy types? I legitimately have no idea what hes saying.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46998953]Okay seriously am I the only one who can't read what this guy types? I legitimately have no idea what hes saying.[/QUOTE] Making a union will paint a target on your head and instead of arguing against you they will try to get you fired arrested killed ect. He doesnt seem to agree with the idea that Gamers involved in GG need a leader.
[QUOTE=JesseR92;46999021]Making a union will paint a target on your head and instead of arguing against you they will try to get you fired arrested killed ect. He doesnt seem to agree with the idea that Gamers involved in GG need a leader.[/QUOTE] A union isn't a single leader it's a multitude of ones voted in, and they don't issue commands they issue statements. It's a voice who speaks for everyone not a leader. People seem to think that they tell people what to do - that isn't the case, at all.
I am game for it myself may have to start smaller than reddit im sure others here would gladly join.
[QUOTE=JesseR92;46999106]I am game for it myself may have to start smaller than reddit im sure others here would gladly join.[/QUOTE] I think I only got like 1 or 2 people interested here, there needs to be a way to display the message as "Were not looking to retag gamergate" - people are turned off by the word "leader" in any form.
Well, yes. What benefit does having a leader offer? Do those benefits outweigh the cons?
There isnt a leader in this case its more a group practicing solidarity kinda a unified voice sort of thing. Seriously the people who have tried to make themseves leader didnt deserve us and the people who we deserve wouldnt deserve the shitstorm anti gamers would throw their way
[QUOTE=JesseR92;46999280]There isnt a leader in this case its more a group practicing solidarity kinda a unified voice sort of thing. Seriously the people who have tried to make themseves leader didnt deserve us and the people who we deserve wouldnt deserve the shitstorm anti gamers would throw their way[/QUOTE] It's not really about having a leader, it's about having people vote on what the unified people think - those representatives just do all the debating / talking about it. Otherwise, the votes could be malformed and disproportional. It's about debate/discussion voting not a poll. The only thing this is is basically the "unified voice." Which is what a union is.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46997575]Back when there [B]were[/B] porn tumblrs, [...][/QUOTE][emphasis mine] No, those still exist. I accidentally clicked one two weeks ago or so. Who knew that porn gifsets were a thing? [editline]24th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46998583]I tried the union thing on reddit again - they really aren't up for it. How can I convince them that it's not harmful to try or a "bad thing?" It's very difficult to even attempt some organization - but I want to do something I am good at, not sit around discussing this all day arguing with people who probably won't listen anyways - I find evidence of wrongdoing yet I know nobody will take it seriously. I feel a union is the best way to get it through, but how to get support for it? I just left the thread to die until I can get a more solid plan. There MUST be a way.[/QUOTE] There really isn't, #GamerGate is [I]far[/I] too diverse to unify like that. You can make a few for pushing specific issues though, and put that purpose in the name. That would work much better (but not necessarily work).
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46999340]It's not really about having a leader, it's about having people vote on what the unified people think - those representatives just do all the debating / talking about it. Otherwise, the votes could be malformed and disproportional. It's about debate/discussion voting not a poll. The only thing this is is basically the "unified voice." Which is what a union is.[/QUOTE] The second sentence was a tangent separate from the first.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;46999344][emphasis mine] No, those still exist. I accidentally clicked one two weeks ago or so. Who knew that porn gifsets were a thing? [editline]24th January 2015[/editline] There really isn't, #GamerGate is [I]far[/I] too diverse to unify like that. You can make a few for pushing specific issues though, and put that purpose in the name. That would work much better (but not necessarily work).[/QUOTE] There are multiple people voted on by a community. It wouldn't matter how diverse it was - groups of people vote on who they think should have a say in discussions. That's assuming all members were legitimate, but all members have to apply (that's also how a union works.)
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46998953]Okay seriously am I the only one who can't read what this guy types? I legitimately have no idea what hes saying.[/QUOTE] sometimes my writing get's scrambled. What I'm trying to say is that there should be an organization first that tackles the issues GG is doing while not taking over GG before starting a union (don't try to control 8chan gg or KIA, just do you own shit), but it can be possible to start a union first. If there is a union, who would head up to bat for it that has weight to push around? It's a question that needs to be answered, like many other questions. to reply to JesseR92's comment above. No one deserves the attacks being made, but doesn't mean everyone should run away from opposition.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;46998512]or just gamers.[/QUOTE] Just "gamers" doesn't leave room for people to be neutral. We don't want to force people into picking sides.
[QUOTE=Ithon;46999403]sometimes my writing get's scrambled. What I'm trying to say is that there should be an organization first that tackles the issues GG is doing while not taking over GG before starting a union (don't try to control 8chan gg or KIA, just do you own shit), but it can be possible to start a union first. If there is a union, who would head up to bat for it that has weight to push around? It's a question that needs to be answered, like many other questions. to reply to JesseR92's comment above. No one deserves the attacks being made, but doesn't mean everyone should run away from opposition.[/QUOTE] Again, the union takes control of nothing. It won't tell anybody to do anything but vote on what they are going to say. It's quite literally "This is what we generally believe in and we condemn." Gamergate.me is nice, but people argue it written by a "propaganda" minister (yeah really.) The more people that join it the more that voice is legitimate and taken seriously.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46998802]we need one more... [img]http://i.imgur.com/J83GtFM.png[/img][/QUOTE] they ban people without these extended fucking votes for bs reasons all the time. The very fact they're putting this to a vote like this where others were banned without receiving a chance is absurd. [s]Burn[/s] Fork wikipedia to the ground, etc
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