• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47075909]Big news. Won't appear anywhere.[/QUOTE] Apart from personal accounts it's mostly rumors though, if he doesn't have any hard evidence not a lot of people will report on it.
[url]https://twitter.com/megaspacepanda/with_replies[/url] [quote]Do I need to state: I'm a dev in an interview, not reporter in a news story. No one is guilty until proven but media should investigate.[/quote] [quote]A major games outlet contacted me. Thought it was unfair for me to be public with others' testimony of wrongdoing. No article planned.[/quote] [quote]Also, lectured me on Gamejourno Pros. Even though it included PR, devs and judges; and decided whether I should be fired based on hearsay.[/quote] pinsof talking about his interview on twitter.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47076011]Apart from personal accounts it's mostly rumors though, if he doesn't have any hard evidence not a lot of people will report on it.[/QUOTE] Not like that's ever stopped the media before- although they should verify beforehand.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47076128]Not like that's ever stopped the media before- although they should verify beforehand.[/QUOTE] Nope - but when the allegations are against [I]them[/I], your going to need some rock solid evidence to convince somebody to report on it.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47076167]Nope - but when the allegations are against [I]them[/I], your going to need some rock solid evidence to convince somebody to report on it.[/QUOTE] Rock solid evidence that can't be denied or ignored. Maybe a great big billboard in Times Square saying "YES PHIL FISH IS KIND OF A DICKHEAD".
[QUOTE=Pennywise;47075696]Word on the grapevine is that[B] several places are trying to squash this article the same way Quinnspiracy information was back in the day[/B]. Which means that Old Lady Streisand is probably coming back to town very soon. Sensationalist Headlines topic when?[/QUOTE] Such as [url=https://archive.today/OD71h]Giant Bomb dot com[/url], or more specifically, its forums, since the forums are basically a NeoGaf mime.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;47076651]Such as [URL="https://archive.today/OD71h"]Giant Bomb dot com[/URL], or more specifically, its forums, since the forums are basically a NeoGaf mime.[/QUOTE] [quote]Sorry, we really have no interest in allowing links to or discussion of articles that are full of seemingly baseless allegations and language that would get a post deleted over here. [/quote] Giant bomb already deletes anything even slightly related to GG, and techraptor is considered "pro-gg" so it has to be removed. Nobodies gonna try to squash it because they know nobody will report on it. Basically they choose what story is hyped up with little to no evidence, it's bullshit, and that's what needs to be fought. (Probably in real media as well.)
I think at the end of the day, GG is just a small fraction of the real problem. Yes, gaming journalism is fucked up, but right now, ALL journalism is fucked up. ALL the major players in global journalism can be demonstrated to be less than honest and more than willing to create or spin stories. Magazines that have long been vestibules of information that one could trust, like Time Magazine for instance, are now more than willing to post ads that look like articles. Indecipherable. Major publishers of journalism and news have done away with the "Seperation of church and state" as it's known in journalism rings(it's the concept that the business side of the business and the writing/journalism side stay as far apart as possible) because it hinders them from making money. That's the world we live in today. All the information in the world at your fingertips, but fuck if you're ever going to be told the truth by people who should be. All this water around me, and not a drop to drink.
It starts with gaming journalism. It won't just stop. The fire rises, HumanAbyss.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47077024]I think at the end of the day, GG is just a small fraction of the real problem. Yes, gaming journalism is fucked up, but right now, ALL journalism is fucked up. ALL the major players in global journalism can be demonstrated to be less than honest and more than willing to create or spin stories. Magazines that have long been vestibules of information that one could trust, like Time Magazine for instance, are now more than willing to post ads that look like articles. Indecipherable. Major publishers of journalism and news have done away with the "Seperation of church and state" as it's known in journalism rings(it's the concept that the business side of the business and the writing/journalism side stay as far apart as possible) because it hinders them from making money. That's the world we live in today. All the information in the world at your fingertips, but fuck if you're ever going to be told the truth by people who should be. All this water around me, and not a drop to drink.[/QUOTE] One thing this whole debacle has showed me is the power people have when they stay on the ball. It can get depressing and feel like not much is getting done, but that sentiment does a disservice to all that has happened so far. Never forget how much we've accomplished, never forget how far we've come, and always consider how much more we can achieve.
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;47077131]It starts with gaming journalism. It won't just stop. The fire rises, HumanAbyss.[/QUOTE] Haha, not going to happen. It'll be a couple decades before people get pissed off enough - or maybe never. Narratives are very powerful things as we have come to realize - all it takes is to get people into a mindset and they will almost never come out of it - they will defend "their" opinions to the death. Out the thousands of arguments you probably had the internet - how many actually resulted in somebody changing their opinion? Not on petty things, by the way. [QUOTE=Hidole555;47077234]One thing this whole debacle has showed me is the power people have when they stay on the ball. It can get depressing and feel like not much is getting done, but that sentiment does a disservice to all that has happened so far. Never forget how much we've accomplished, never forget how far we've come, and always consider how much more we can achieve.[/QUOTE] Kotaku and Gawker will attempt to play gamergate stuff off either like it never happened or say it was a complete failure while it's still happening - it's classic propaganda tactics.
I can change my mind, so I feel like others must. I don't feel like "people can't change" or grow but I certainly agree with the power of narratives. I feel quite isolated when I see so many people too stubborn to admit they're wrong. I don't, can't, understand that behaviour and mentality.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47077252]I can change my mind, so I feel like others must. I don't feel like "people can't change" or grow but I certainly agree with the power of narratives. I feel quite isolated when I see so many people too stubborn to admit they're wrong. I don't, can't, understand that behaviour and mentality.[/QUOTE] I made it my life goal to want to be convinced - to see it from somebody elses perspective and not just mine or what I heard, everybody I have ever known has been stubborn, stuck up and wouldn't give a damn about your opinion - I had a friend, his only answer to arguments he was losing was "It's my opinion." I never want to be that person who can't be convinced of anything and is pointless to argue with - I want to be convinced and criticized, because that's one of the only ways to improve yourself as a human.
We will be vindicated only by a: refusing to give ground and b: weathering the storm. It's pretty much that cut and dried. The only chance at "victory" we had was decapitating the "GaD" publishing e-zines [I]immediately[/I] with a crushing monolithic boycott, which no matter how it could be spun, would have been immaterial if the people telling the spin didn't have an audience to spin to. Didn't happen, and so now the endgame will be measured in years, not months. [quote] must [/quote] There is no must anything, if someone asks, tell your side and what you'd like honestly and leave it at that. This started in the late 90s because people who wrote about video games then thought they knew better than customers and developers alike, and look where we are now. There is no must. Only should, and hopefully will. Over-trying to convince someone of anything isn't going to win any fans. At least not any sane ones, and I think we've had enough Prius driving, holocaust denying and transphobic shenanigans already.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47077580]I made it my life goal to want to be convinced - to see it from somebody elses perspective and not just mine or what I heard, everybody I have ever known has been stubborn, stuck up and wouldn't give a damn about your opinion - I had a friend, his only answer to arguments he was losing was "It's my opinion." I never want to be that person who can't be convinced of anything and is pointless to argue with - I want to be convinced and criticized, because that's one of the only ways to improve yourself as a human.[/QUOTE] You and me are incredibly alike on that front.
[URL="https://archive.today/AAT1n"]Here's something interesting about the Supanova/Baldwin "issue".[/URL] Apparently they have not the slightest intention of uninviting him at this point. Additionally there's a [URL="https://archive.today/Qxyf8"]local[/URL] [URL="https://archive.today/06EaH"]article[/URL] about the ParkourDude91 / Wu drama now. I really wonder where this is going.
[VID]http://a.pomf.se/camcwy.mp4[/VID]
Did you guys see The Young Turks interview with Karen Straughan? Blew my mind apart! I never knew what to think about Straughan, never really liked her honestly, and I always liked TYT and thought Cenk seemed like a pretty rational dude. But he actually told her, "Go make me a ham sandwich!" simply for explaining her view on feminism. I guess next week we get to see him interview a black conservative and tell him to go pick him some cotton. I mean if he was going to get upset about her being MRA then why did he even invite her in the first place? :v:
[QUOTE=Wii60;47078120][VID]http://a.pomf.se/camcwy.mp4[/VID][/QUOTE] Tell me about the gamer, why does he wear the mask?
"What's the next level" God. Fucking. Damnit. That is not good writing.
I thought that was satire someone made until I saw the LAW & ORDER at the end
This is gonna be so fucking stupid
[QUOTE=Wii60;47078120][VID]http://a.pomf.se/camcwy.mp4[/VID][/QUOTE] This is gonna be a brilliant bit of comedy. :v:
[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;47078333]Tell me about the gamer, why does he wear the mask?[/QUOTE] Instantly reminded me of Joakim Mogren, famous head of development at Moby Dick Studios. [t]http://www.pelaajalehti.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/paakuva_sisalto/kuvat_artikkeli/joakim.png[/t]
Incoming even more baneposts thank to that episode.
Jesus christ just when you thought gawker couldn't get any more despicable [URL="http://uk.businessinsider.com/coca-cola-makeithappy-twitter-hitler-mein-kampf-gawker-prank-2015-2?r=US"]http://uk.businessinsider.com/coca-c...nk-2015-2?r=US[/URL] [quote]Coca-Cola has been forced to suspend its automated tweet #MakeItHappy campaign — designed to transform mean tweets and negativity on the internet into cute images — after it was tricked into quoting Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf, Adweek reports. Gawker’s editorial labs director Adam Pash created a @MeinCoke Twitter bot, under the name “A.H.” and began tweeting passages of the book’s text. Sure enough, Coke did. Reams of tweets followed, featuring ASCII images of cute cartoon characters like a cat playing drums and a happy-looking burger.[/quote] [quote]Coca-Cola provided Adweek with this statement: The #MakeItHappy message is simple: The Internet is what we make it, and we hoped to inspire people to make it a more positive place. It's unfortunate that Gawker is trying to turn this campaign into something that it isn't. Building a bot that attempts to spread hate through #MakeItHappy is a perfect example of the pervasive online negativity Coca-Cola wanted to address with this campaign."[/quote]
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;47080920]Jesus christ just when you thought gawker couldn't get any more despicable [URL="http://uk.businessinsider.com/coca-cola-makeithappy-twitter-hitler-mein-kampf-gawker-prank-2015-2?r=US"]http://uk.businessinsider.com/coca-c...nk-2015-2?r=US[/URL][/QUOTE] Our only solace is this is another reason we can say Gawker is a shithole.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;47081011]Our only solace is this is another reason we can say Gawker is a shithole.[/QUOTE] Next thing we know they'll say any documentary or movie about WWII is bad because there are Nazis in them.
Why do I have the odd feeling that this was only done because people had started doing it to AGG tweets? [editline]5th February 2015[/editline] Just read the Gawker article about it. He's being a smarmy git, saying "Well, we didn't know Coke would say something like that!" and then blaming them for it. This was literally a campaign so that if people were being shitty to you, you could turn it into a fucking balloon dog. Great job, Gawker.
hahaha holy shit gawker Who's the assholes now?
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