Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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I can never use greenlight. Any time I go to see what games people are putting up, all I get is "No items matching your search criteria were found." when I've never searched anything, so I just quit trying to see what's on it.
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;47087378]She's off to a good start to get booted off steam greenlight, cause she can't resist abusing whatever tool she's given if it benefits her.
I was wondering if the prospect of screwing up the release of her game on steam would cause her to lay low, but apparently she's not even smart enough to do that
And I can't find the exact quote but she said that she might issue copyright claims against youtube Let's Plays if they "go too far". You know what that means[/QUOTE]
Oh my god, I can't WAIT for her to pick a fight with Valve when she inevitably gets banned from Greenlight. Grab the popcorn everyone, the show's getting ready to start. :v:
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;47087522]Oh my god, I can't WAIT for her to pick a fight with Valve when she inevitably gets banned from Greenlight. Grab the popcorn everyone, the show's getting ready to start. :v:[/QUOTE]
Corrupt journalist headlines: "Valve is anti-woman, censors Revolution 60 from Steam"
That FrazerJC seems like really cool guy judging form his posts
[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;47087599]Corrupt journalist headlines: "Valve is anti-woman, censors Revolution 60 from Steam"[/QUOTE]
Valve then comes out as Pro-GG and "journalists" everywhere collectively shit their pants.
Did somebody already say that it's been greenlit or am I late?
[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;47087599]Corrupt journalist headlines: "Valve is anti-woman, censors Revolution 60 from Steam"[/QUOTE]They already are for allowing Hatred. I think the game will be awful, but I'll support Valve's choice in the matter as the ones who have to take responsibility for it regardless of the decision.
I started seeing some talking about how Valve/Valve fans are the worst.
To be fair I don't think there's been a case yet where someone who heavily abused the steam hub tools got his game off steam- another thing we can thank greenlight for is allowing fools to censor reviews and criticism and go unpunished.
her game was greenlit how the heck is this a thing
I think greenlight does it's job pretty well. It's there to see if there is a large enough interest in your game to make it profitable. They don't care about anything else, and honestly, that's how it should be.
Here's the deal: I don't think ANY games should be censored or blocked from distribution because of how a group of people feel about it. What should determine that is the consumers. Hatred most likely had enough genuine interest in it to be profitable, and most likely the same for R60. There is no reason why both can't be on the market if it's profitable.
I will say this though, steam needs to implement some prerequisites for greenlight voting. It should only allow you to vote on steam greenlight if you have x amount of hours ingame AND y amount of membership time. This would cut out a lot of sockpuppet voting.
all the positive comments are from lv 0s. hahaha
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;47087802]They already are for allowing Hatred. I think the game will be awful, but I'll support Valve's choice in the matter as the ones who have to take responsibility for it regardless of the decision.
I started seeing some talking about how Valve/Valve fans are the worst.[/QUOTE]
If a game being awful is a reason for it to keep it off steam I think there are far better contenders for that than Hatred.
[editline]6th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Glitchman;47087965]all the positive comments are from lv 0s. hahaha[/QUOTE]
The whole steam level thing is pretty meaningless, I don't see how that's indicative of anything.
I'm still not entirely certain why people are up in arms about her game being on Greenlight. There's something at least resembling production values in it, it's an "established" game on its native platform, the only issue is how fucking long it took her to get it on there. Sure the game still looks bad, but there's been worse things on Greenlight that received attention. Her weird mobile port deserves to be on there despite who she is.
Though feel free to be pissed at the way she's handling the forums, because that shit doesn't fly no matter who the developer is. I can't fathom why anybody would ever consider that to be acceptable, but we see it time and time again from Greenlight "developers" when their first UDK project gets slammed. Greenlight is just fucking awful in general really.
[editline]6th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47087918]Here's the deal: I don't think ANY games should be censored or blocked from distribution because of how a group of people feel about it. What should determine that is the consumers. Hatred most likely had enough genuine interest in it to be profitable, and most likely the same for R60. There is no reason why both can't be on the market if it's profitable.[/QUOTE]
A majority of the interest in Hatred seems to be "hahah i'll buy this just to annoy sjws!!!!!", because to be honest, the game doesn't look at all interesting. A twin stick shooter that appears to do nothing unique other than portray spree shooting. Unless the developers are hiding some wacky alien invasion shit or some ludicrous weapons, maybe even some obscene difficulty, it'll be pretty boring after about 5 minutes.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47088033]I'm still not entirely certain why people are up in arms about her game being on Greenlight. There's something at least resembling production values in it, it's an "established" game on its native platform, the only issue is how fucking long it took her to get it on there. Sure the game still looks bad, but there's been worse things on Greenlight that received attention. Her weird mobile port deserves to be on there despite who she is.
Though feel free to be pissed at the way she's handling the forums, because that shit doesn't fly no matter who the developer is. I can't fathom why anybody would ever consider that to be acceptable, but we see it time and time again from Greenlight "developers" when their first UDK project gets slammed. Greenlight is just fucking awful in general really.
[editline]6th February 2015[/editline]
A majority of the interest in Hatred seems to be "hahah i'll buy this just to annoy sjws!!!!!", because to be honest, the game doesn't look at all interesting. A twin stick shooter that appears to do nothing unique other than portray spree shooting. Unless the developers are hiding some wacky alien invasion shit or some ludicrous weapons, maybe even some obscene difficulty, it'll be pretty boring after about 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]
Developers who censor and clearly show no promise other than level 0's shouldn't be greenlit. By greenlighting them, Valve is only supporting the unethical practices and shoddy development continuing to be found on the Steam market.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47088064]Developers who censor and clearly show no promise other than level 0's shouldn't be greenlit. By greenlighting them, Valve is only supporting the unethical practices and shoddy development continuing to be found on the Steam market.[/QUOTE]
Like I said. Greenlight is a fucking terrible abortion that Valve didn't remotely try to handle.
Letting the community decide what goes on Steam was a fucking mistake, most of the Greenlight games are terrible, unreleased or clones cashing in on idiots.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47088077]Like I said. Greenlight is a fucking terrible abortion that Valve didn't remotely try to handle.
Letting the community decide what goes on Steam was a fucking mistake, most of the Greenlight games are terrible, unreleased or clones cashing in on idiots.[/QUOTE]
Realistically, it should require a significant amount of votes, plus a decent want/do not want ratio. After [I]that[/I], the game should have to be 100% complete and Valve-approved for quality.
I can see some famous celebs shitting out a FPS Creator game just because they have a brainwashed following willing to die for them, let alone make a few Steam accounts.
the thing about Revolution 60 now is I feel because of all the controversy surrounding it there will never be a fair unbiased review of it
It's going to get 0's on metacritic but huge praise from Kotaku (especially if the IOS original was anything to go by)
[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;47088094]the thing about Revolution 60 now is I feel because of all the controversy surrounding it there will never be a fair unbiased review of it
It's going to get 0's on metacritic but huge praise from Kotaku (especially if the IOS original was anything to go by)[/QUOTE]
I can't wait to see the A+'s on that piece of trash.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47088033]I'm still not entirely certain why people are up in arms about her game being on Greenlight. There's something at least resembling production values in it, it's an "established" game on its native platform, the only issue is how fucking long it took her to get it on there. Sure the game still looks bad, but there's been worse things on Greenlight that received attention. Her weird mobile port deserves to be on there despite who she is.[/QUOTE]
Well it's probably slightly better than Gender Bender, so I guess it has a place on there.
[QUOTE]A majority of the interest in Hatred seems to be "hahah i'll buy this just to annoy sjws!!!!!", because to be honest, the game doesn't look at all interesting. A twin stick shooter that appears to do nothing unique other than portray spree shooting. Unless the developers are hiding some wacky alien invasion shit or some ludicrous weapons, maybe even some obscene difficulty, it'll be pretty boring after about 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, a game that doesn't innovate much can still be good if it's well-balanced and has good gameplay. I'd wait for it to launch before I decide whether it's worth buying.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47088033]A majority of the interest in Hatred seems to be "hahah i'll buy this just to annoy sjws!!!!!", because to be honest, the game doesn't look at all interesting. A twin stick shooter that appears to do nothing unique other than portray spree shooting. Unless the developers are hiding some wacky alien invasion shit or some ludicrous weapons, maybe even some obscene difficulty, it'll be pretty boring after about 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]
I won't disagree with you on that, but the same could be said about R60, except swap "sjws" with "gamergaters". TBH, it's just not a game that would normally be greenlit so quickly, or even received the amount of attention that it did.
Both are cases that show how greenlight can be manipulated.
It's the flip side of seedscape.
Basically it rode in past greenlight on a wave of controversy.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47088090]Realistically, it should require a significant amount of votes, plus a decent want/do not want ratio. After [I]that[/I], the game should have to be 100% complete and Valve-approved for quality.
I can see some famous celebs shitting out a FPS Creator game just because they have a brainwashed following willing to die for them, let alone make a few Steam accounts.[/QUOTE]
Ahahah oh god FPS Creator.
Lee is making a third FPS Creator and it's slowly getting better. Graphics wise it still looks kinda janky but oh well... At least it will have a working multi player.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47087016]I find it bizarre when I talk to people about Gamergate and they have no clue what I'm talking about, even other gamers. It's weird to think that most of this will never cross the minds of most people.[/QUOTE]
/pol/ somehow managed to get mentioned in German TV Text news (apparently. The account I heard wasn't that thorough but it seems they were called terrible racists or something like that).
It seems the Internet is leaking but it's just tiny holes and noone appears to receive the full picture without checking for themselves.
[editline]6th February 2015[/editline]
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The whole steam level thing is pretty meaningless, I don't see how that's indicative of anything.[/QUOTE]
Your level rises pretty much automatically if you do anything on Steam, so those level 0s are almost always junk accounts.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;47088943]
Your level rises pretty much automatically if you do anything on Steam, so those level 0s are almost always junk accounts.[/QUOTE]
Level 0 means the account is private. Could be a junker, could be legit, no good way of telling if you can't see the profile.
Level 1 however is almost certainly a junk account as it implies you have done basically nothing with that account.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47088077]Like I said. Greenlight is a fucking terrible abortion that Valve didn't remotely try to handle.
Letting the community decide what goes on Steam was a fucking mistake, most of the Greenlight games are terrible, unreleased or clones cashing in on idiots.[/QUOTE]
The sad thing is Valve/Gabe want to take it further and completely open the floodgates of steam. Gabe has said several times that he basically wants anything allowed on steam.
Valve needs to do the fucking opposite and provide quality control.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;47089126]The sad thing is Valve/Gabe want to take it further and completely open the floodgates of steam. Gabe has said several times that he basically wants anything allowed on steam.
Valve needs to do the fucking opposite and provide quality control.[/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;47089126]The sad thing is Valve/Gabe want to take it further and completely open the floodgates of steam. Gabe has said several times that he basically wants anything allowed on steam.
Valve needs to do the fucking opposite and provide quality control.[/QUOTE]
Not to make too-offtopic of a post, but every time I see this I seriously ask, [B]why?[/B]
Where's the injury? Who's being hurt by having more content? You might not like, say, HuniePop but what about people who already have racked up 500+ hours of courting their waifus? I'm actually quite glad that Steam's catalog has grown. It's let some great games come to the front that would have been kept in the wings for one reason or another.
And before you say, "But the [I]shit games,[/I]" I can only say that taste is widely relative. I can easily imagine someone pointing to Papers Please or Prison Architect and saying, "That is not a game! Get ye from mine eye yon' knave!" I can then turn around and point to stuff like Hatred or Freddy Fish and you could easily have the same person saying, "Those are not [I]good games,[/I] keep them from me lest I contract the pox!"
Games are vindicated or vanquished by their sales. People will not just "buy" a bad game like blind sheep. It seems like a safe bet to say even the most casual gamer does even a modicum of browsing before they spend their money. To that end, Steam is working on giving users robust tools for making safe bets about the quality of a game beforehand in the form of user reviews, curators and a burgeoning steam community.
"But I might buy a shit game, look at Desert Gunner and the other low-value titles!" my hypothetical strawman may say. Fine. You made a bad purchase, and you would be just as unhappy if you bought the latest Modern Warfare sight-unseen and found out it didn't have zombie mode or whatever your criteria for a good MW game is. If you want to hammer on the "scam" end of that example then I want to point to two facts. The first is that I can (I think safely) list the "evil" games on one hand. Literally. If there have been more than five, color me ignorant. The second is that in each case they have been dealt with. Steam is not a sleeping god. Quite the contrary it's fist came down hard and ground those titles into a fine grist. But just like the bad purchase of your Modern Warfare: No Zombies Edition, there has to be some clear and unequivocal wrong-doing. Steam certainly won't take away other people's well deserved fun just because you got jilted.
So yeah. Unless there's some pressing need for this magical "Quality Control" that I'm missing, I'm quite baffled as to why it's needed or even good for the service. So long as "quality control" is a polite synonym for elitist reduction and negative choices of the sort "I do not want this game so nobody should want it" then I can only say [I]what's your fucking point?[/I]
I'll even go the extra mile to make this on-topic. You know who else would adore "More curation"? Puritanical SJWs fighting against problematic games. If you've been in this thread for a moment then I think you can easily see the issues that crop up, not at the edges, but right at the center of that proposition.
Indeed, that was what was at the heart of the Hatred issue. Steam played fast and loose with their hands-off policy and accidentally overstepped their bounds by becoming very hands-on. The community bit back, and Steam did what I think is the right thing. They took their hands off and bowed their head to the zeitgeist.
Now when it comes to Revolution60? I'd be quite glad if it got on Steam. Brianna Wu might be a corrupt, morally bankrupt person but if they have a good to bring to market, let them. If that product fails, then hooray for us virtuous men of the gates. Our enemy has fallen upon their own devices! And if that product is some sort of success? Then hooray again, because Gamers are getting what they want without someone telling them [I]for blatant political reasons[/I] what they should or shouldn't want. At the end of the day that is the chief good of GG.
It is hypocritical hogwash to try and bar Wu's game from Steam if there is some audience clamoring for it. Now naturally, if people want other things more then the other things come first. If there is some false advertisement or misdelivery then the creator ought to be punished. If there is some clear wrong doing it must be stopped. But in all other cases let the games play on.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;47089126]The sad thing is Valve/Gabe want to take it further and completely open the floodgates of steam. Gabe has said several times that he basically wants anything allowed on steam.
Valve needs to do the fucking opposite and provide quality control.[/QUOTE]
Fairly sure they mostly want to open the platform/distribution system to anyone.
The store itself has gotten better since they rolled out the dynamic start page and tagging, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47086908]Moral panic is dumb
In about 10-15 years we'll be saying "Think of the women!!" as a joke instead of "Think of the children!!"
And it's media sensationalism, EVERY, SINGLE, TIME.[/QUOTE]
Yep. We're gonna look back at this and laugh about how ridiculous this shit was and how we were lead by the nose by some power and money-hungry scam artist "activists". Some damage will be done, but it'll be rolled back eventually.
I also can't wait to see what's going to happen to all of these activists when the utopia they were promised doesn't come within a few years. My guess? You're gonna see another Reagan situation where the radical activists become corporate yuppies, only this time they'll have more tattoos they'll be trying to cover up and internet pasts about how they're demigirl aromantic asexuals with short pink hair they'll be trying to scrub from the internet.
GUYS GUYS BRIANNA IS IN THE CHAT OF A LIVE STREAM OF REVOLUTION 60. [video=youtube;XBngxDbe-ww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBngxDbe-ww[/video]
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