Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47130201]Sanity, finally. Hope other dev's join him and give games journalists who demonize their own hobby a wake-up call. (As if SVU wasn't one already.)[/QUOTE]
Judging from Schrier's article, they haven't woken up yet. These people have an astonishing lack of self-awareness, but having more big-name devs call them out could help change that.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47130153]Team Lead of Vanilla WoW, Producer of Diablo II, Starcraft.
[url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/565939460068487168[/url]
[url]https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/565939919579656193[/url][/QUOTE]
Finally [url=http://www.p4rgaming.com/do-we-even-need-video-game-developers-in-the-gaming-industry/]this is relevant[/url]
[QUOTE=Wii60;47130396][video=youtube;bDiXcdNWoD8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDiXcdNWoD8[/video][/QUOTE]
Lost my shit at ".......Terrorists Win"
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47130201]Sanity, finally. Hope other dev's join him and give games journalists who demonize their own hobby a wake-up call. (As if SVU wasn't one already.)[/QUOTE]
At the very least a good 50% of the general coverage I see (that expresses any opinion) slams SVU for demonizing gamers.
Some articles on completely generic news sites actually explicitly criticise them for not mentioning the ethical concerns.
(I may post some stuff later, but it's just a huge torrent. Also if anyone reads the comments on the Bustle article they'll notice she's lying about a ton of stuff, as asserted by female gamers among others.)
I think the narrative took flight on its own, got to close to the sun, and now the general terribleness is too blatant to avoid scrutiny from third parties.
That is basically been the thing everyone has been waiting for, because their claims and vitriol has gotten worse and worse, and it was obvious they'd keep escalating and eventually people would catch on and realize how ridiculous it all is.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;47130745]At the very least a good 50% of the general coverage I see (that expresses any opinion) slams SVU for demonizing gamers.
Some articles on completely generic news sites actually explicitly criticise them for not mentioning the ethical concerns.
(I may post some stuff later, but it's just a huge torrent. Also if anyone reads the comments on the Bustle article they'll notice she's lying about a ton of stuff, as asserted by female gamers among others.)
I think the narrative took flight on its own, got to close to the sun, and now the general terribleness is too blatant to avoid scrutiny from third parties.[/QUOTE]
So is this a sign that the tide is turning or is that still a long ways off?
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;47130810]So is this a sign that the tide is turning or is that still a long ways off?[/QUOTE]
No, they're trying to say that the show doesn't represent their opinions even though it's a combination of every shitty AGG article ever written. If AGGros didn't simply dismiss the show then they'd probably ask themselves if they actually believe that fucking nonsense.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;47130810]So is this a sign that the tide is turning or is that still a long ways off?[/QUOTE]
The moment can be a turning point, but the people who said such stuff only to say that episode was terrible will try to spin it in their favor, I think some don't want to say they support it because if they did then you can make a comparison with certain Muslim extremists, then if they say no to this (a person not in their click), then they show they want to be in place of what and what should not be censored to keep certain people in line and as a card in the future say "I didn't like this episode, so that makes your comparison argument invalid".
If you want a peaceful protest and use the harassment, death threats, ect sent to them they can funnel the evidence to professional victim parody characters which pretend to be a SJW but use near verbatim what has been said against GG as examples, (mix it up where the insults sent at GG from the parody characters are translations from nazis and other extremists).
It's an idea, just that remember turning points are not a known direction if you don't know what the opposition is doing or will react.
The show was proof to a lot of people that the articles game journalists were posting [I]were[/I] having an effect on mainstream media - in a bad way. People thought it would be a 1 time article thing, but no.
[quote]Totalbiscuit Oct. 15: "When the dust settles, remember who it was that fed their own readership to the wolves. I will."[/quote]
I can't can't stop thinking about xena after this SVU episode
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkjqkK6LlyQ[/media]
What's hilarious is that the girl's game in the Law and Order episode is some kind of non-violent farming simulator.
Seedscape is a non-violent farming sim which is made by a girl and gamergate is responsible for getting it greenlit.
Anti-gamergate were the ones that were against it.
oh god. IMDB reviews of the L&O episode.
[URL]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4419540/reviews[/URL]
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[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hJwMKYN.jpeg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;47131125]the girl's game in the Law and Order episode is some kind of non-violent farming simulator.[/QUOTE]
as the chick who was beat up in the beginning also said.. 'it's non violent'
but then raina says literally a few minutes later "you can wage war"
:pwn:
[QUOTE=Pernoccuous;47131347]as the chick who was beat up in the beginning also said.. 'it's non violent'
but then raina says literally a few minutes later "you can wage war"
:pwn:[/QUOTE]
it could be economic warfare maybe.
good lord, they're now ahead of /a/ and they went and bombed /co/
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ZR9iHG8.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Xubs;47131364]social justice war
in the social justice war, there are no heroes[/QUOTE]
There's a whole lotta wannabe heroes though.
is there anything happening in making the amazon game?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tkgfhRX.png[/IMG]
I don't think Ken Levine is any position to shit-talk someone else's writing.
[editline]13th February 2015[/editline]
This thread is just zinger central really.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Ob7d2Pe.png[/IMG]
Might be late but the person tweeting has a good point.
wasnt he the guy who complained about giving black kids cigarettes in a video game
[editline]13th February 2015[/editline]
wait who is this guy, like really. he was a part of notyourshield, right? and?
Once again, Leigh Alexander setting almost a new record for mental gymnastics!
Gamers deserve their reputation of being "garbage people": [url]https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/565935208080621568[/url]
Gamer are actually amazing people: [url]https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/565944136663334912[/url]
[QUOTE=LeonS;47132745]wasnt he the guy who complained about giving black kids cigarettes in a video game
[editline]13th February 2015[/editline]
wait who is this guy, like really. he was a part of notyourshield, right? and?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he was the same guy who complained about the black african kid in Stanley Parable.
Ed McMillen and his wife talked a bit about GG and the indie scene in general on a recent stream.
Transcript here
[url]http://gamergate.community/t/danielle-mcmillen-plays-isaac-while-ed-gives-some-thoughts-about-gamergate/1275[/url]
yea i was there in person watchin when it happened, around the hotline miami part
it was so good
later on they talk about the hotline miami 2 now has their rape scene skippable and his wife said
"i don't think it should be skippable because people who get raped can't skip it"
[QUOTE=Wii60;47133713]yea i was there in person watchin when it happened, around the hotline miami part
it was so good
later on they talk about the hotline miami 2 now has their rape scene skippable and his wife said
"i don't think it should be skippable because people who get raped can't skip it"[/QUOTE]
Making it skippable is at the least a nice gesture, a rape victim still has a chance of being triggered into remembering what happened to them when the scene comes up, but at least it gives people who don't want to see it for any reason a chance to mash their keyboard until it's gone.
The real horrors of rape scenes are going to be lost of a vast majority of the players because they either haven't had to suffer through it, or don't know anybody who's been raped (not counting people they know who have but haven't told anyone). It'll be turned into a joke by tons of morons, completely going over their heads. It's a lot easier to watch such a thing in fiction when you have no real emotional attachment to the event.
[url]http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2476720,00.asp[/url]
[url]https://archive.today/7LuW1[/url]
coincidences are colliding
[quote]EdM: The far worse reality is, this is an industry full of greedy, social lunatics. They're all fucking crazy, greedy selfish people - um, who, who aren't knowingly doing anything bad, but are simply awful. Awful, and void of any artistic value.
MrsM: Can you, I would like you to picture, uh, the music industry - where nobody makes music and all they do is talk about sexism! Wouldn't that be fun and hilarious? Like, no one wants to hear from you. You're only here because you're supposed to be making something. Go away. No one cares about what bathroom you use, no one cares about if your dick is a clit.
EdM: But no, honestly, that's all it is. Like, the people have asked, like, how come I'm not participating anymore? Why am I not, why am I not, uh, going to the IGF, going to GDC, why don't I talk to a bunch of people, what whatever else? It's 'cause - I don't care. This has nothing to do with why I got into making games.
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EdM: [laughs] Everybody in the industry is Kanye West. Everybody thinks they're so fucking important - it's amazing. Everybody is delusional and psychotic. Uh, and they do not care about art. They care about censorship and whatever they think is right. And they talk. They like to write. They like to write and they like to talk.
EdM: [laughs] It's stupid. I mean, you guys know it. You guys are living in it. It's called the internet. It's an awful fucking place full of people who are so entitled it's unimaginable. Everybody thinks that, the, they, that being offended is the worst thing in the world.
EdM: So the illusion of GamersGate [sic] when it comes to journalists, overall, is the illusion that any of these people aren't just regular fucking people. This is what the Internet did. The Internet made everybody think that because they can write something and then they can post it on a website that that makes them a journalist. When really they're just regular fucking people. Like, I'm a regular fucking person who just happens to make video games. So I'm not gonna use, like, corporate-speak. I'm not gonna be politically correct. I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not a corporation.
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EdM: Everybody loved eachother. But see, the thing is, is a lot of those people now, they're mean. Because they've been pissed off by other groups of people who don't agree with their values. But when you're 30 fucking people, you all think "Oh my God, we're such a minority group" We're gonna band together and we're gonna love eachother and everything's gonna be great. It was like that for many years. Except once you get, once that 30 people goes to 100 people, uh, "we're not all getting into IGF, we're not all getting praise" So, those people who aren't getting enough praise, the people that aren't getting praise, go around and they group up and then they piss on the other groups. And then the larger and larger and larger it gets, it segregates. And it becomes this jurassic segregation, and everybody's, you know, "this group's right, this group's wrong, this is a video game, this isn't a video game." You have no idea, like, this fucking smartest most respectable people that I grew up making games with - I've heard them argue about "Hey, this shouldn't be in the IGF because it's not a game." And I'm like, whose business is it of yours what's a game? Like, they just put it out. Even if it's just interactive art, just like, just Who cares? Who fucking cares? This is supposed to be art. So you're supposed to be able to do whatever you want, and not have to fucking worry about somebody else telling you, that you can't do that. Because we're independent. And that goes against every fucking thing out there. Even the fact that, like, it's really sad out there to think that, I don't know, there are very innocent developers that may have, uh, made a joke in a game that came out very, very bad to other people and then they, people complained about it. And then went back and they changed what they originally intended. Uhm, they obviously never intended to harm anybody. But there's a big difference, like, if you're a mainstream company, and you do something that offends a large group of people, yes, you can go back, and take it back. But, if you're one person and that was your vision, that was your vision going in. And you feel like, hey, that's it, that's what I was going for and I'm not gonna change it because it's a small number of people, in a way, whose, you know, playing my shit. Then you have the right to just fucking leave it in there-
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Transcript quotes, truth.
[editline]13th February 2015[/editline]
RPS has an "interview" - instead it devolves to attacking Peter Molyneux.
[URL]https://archive.today/X0i4a[/URL]
[quote]RPS: OK. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that you haven’t enjoyed this at all[/quote]
Jesus christ I think he made some mistakes but what a fucking asshole.
[editline]13th February 2015[/editline]
[quote]Peter Molyneux: Let me just ask you one question. Do you think from the line of questioning you’re giving me, that this industry would be better without me?
RPS: I think the industry would be better without your lying a lot.[/quote]
Jesus christ.
[editline]13th February 2015[/editline]
(Can't edit post) - Some people are actually praising him for asking "hard hitting questions" when he constantly insults him during the interview and is purposely trying to get him angry, it's the worst RPS has ever been - this is what "gaming journalism" is to them.
Molyneux comments irked me but I get the feeling that same sort of hard hitting journalism is uncommon and that highlights the problem. They will never remark to Sarkeesian about why she asked for less than $10k for videos, raised 10x that and hasn't delivered on half the videos proposed never mind the full set.
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